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Anyone done laser treatment for improvement of skin

Started by HappyMoni, February 04, 2017, 03:35:14 PM

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HappyMoni

Hi,
   This is closest place I could find for posting this. Has anyone had skin rejuvenation laser treatments? I don't know if it really helps improve the skin. I am thinking about treating discoloration and other issues related to age. Winkles are not my biggest concern. Thanks for any responders! Thoughts on cost?
Monica
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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MissGendered

Hey Sweetie!

I have looked into it a bit, for sun damage and to get rid of broken blood vessels in my cheeks and nose. Kinda the left overs from my Dad's style of 'gender therapy', lol. That was early in my HRT days, and I was told to wait until I had several years of HRT, and see what changes the HRT had done to my skin quality, but to also use Retin A to treat the whole face and neck area in the meantime. The Retin A rejuvenated my face and resolved a LOT of wrinkles. My endo wrote the prescription and my insurance covered it, too. I can't see any sun damage any more, but I will have to deal with the broken blood vessels at some point, but I am gonna wait until I am done with electro and FFS before I get into that. I have some spider veins on my ankles that will be dealt with then, too..

Oh, and I did six sessions of IPL and about 6 sessions of laser early in my transition, and both seemed to help the skin that was treated, too.

Hope you are having a wonderful weekend, girlie!

Missy
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Mirya

I had a full face laser skin resurfacing in April 2016.  I had consultations with two local dermatologists who specialize in laser skin resurfacing.  Both of them independently advised against the Fractional CO2 laser (which is a common laser type for this treatment, and what I initially wanted).  They cited the risk of hyper-pigmentation due to my skin tone.  One of them recommended an erbium glass laser instead, so I went with that.

The results were great!  My skin is a lot smoother and my complexion is a lot better.  Just this past week, a woman complimented me on how great my skin looks (I was literally wearing zero makeup).

The cost can vary depending on the type of laser used and the doctor's experience and reputation.  Mine was around $1500 I think?  I strongly urge you to go to an experienced dermatologist though.  There are places that can do it for cheap, as the industry isn't really regulated, but you really want to go to a qualified doctor who can get you the results without damaging your face.  I'm sure if I went to a cheaper location and asked for Fractional CO2, they would have gladly taken my money and done it (and ruined my face with hyper-pigmentation).
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HappyMoni

Any thoughts on waiting for electrolysis to be finished before doing the laser skin treatment? Wondering about the pores being opened up/scared by the probe.

Thanks Missy! Are there any side effects to consider with the Retin A? I see something advertised for over the counter now, supposedly with it in it.

Thanks Mirya! I am hoping to go lower cost first, but I appreciate the heads up on the Fractional CO2 laser. Also going to the dermatologist is a great idea. Oh, I would love to know how you pronounce your name.

I think a major negative for me as far as passing goes is the skin. The problem with the eye from FFS doesn't help, but I don't think I can afford to fix that, at least now. I don't like the thought of caking on makeup to cover up the skin. It just isn't me.
Thanks!
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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MissGendered

Moni,

Over the counter stuff is very weak, over-priced, and did nothing for me. Prescription Retin A is .25%, .5%, or 1%. Typically, you are started with the lowest precentage, and you slowly work your way up. There are tons of sites online where women talk about how they use it and what to expect, so support is easy to find. Everybody's skin is different, but the worst that happened to me was I used too much, too fast, and my skin was red, and flakier than expected, and a little sunburned-feeling for a while. What it does is stimulate cell-turnover and collagen production, and works like a mild chemical peel. Go slow, use a pea sized dab for the whole face, moisturize with something like Noxzema, and away you go. My little lines filled in within weeks, and are almost gone around my mouth, and major wrinkles are MUCH better, too. Sun damage is gone. One needs to avoid laser and direct sun while using it, or that will multiply the effects, so I use it religiously in the winter, and the benefits last all summer long. I also use it on rainy days, or at night, when I know I will be showering in the morning during sunnier months. As I said, the benefits don't stop when not using it, once 'bad' cells are gone, they are gone. Collagen can re-diminish, but not very quickly, and we should be doing everything we can to keep collagen levels good for many health reasons, not just vanity, lol. I also take biotin, mostly for hair, nails, lashes, but it also supports skin health.

Prescription Retin A use revitalized my skin surfaces sufficiently that I stopped worrying about my facial skin completely. Once my facial hair is long gone, and my FFSs done and healed, I will revisit resurfacing and microdermabrasion options if think there will be a benefit. As I have mentioned before, I am somebody that will do everything possible to maximize my appearance, but I have figured out the order that best suits my needs, so I am chill about it now. I tend to think in terms of fixing the deeper issues first, then building on those changes over time. Of course, facial hair removal trumps all other issues, for obvious reasons. I was able to get my then endo to write a prescription for Retin A, on the grounds that my hormonal situation was causing skin problems that Retin A is known to treat. Creative prescribers know the workarounds, ha ha!

Also, I found that micronized, bio-identical progesterone helped my skin, too. There are dermatologists that prescribe estrogen/progesterone formulations in cream or lotion form, and swear they are a fountain of youth for skin care. It sounds kinda gross, but after my vaginal P suppositories have dissolved completely, I often dip in my fingers and spread some over my face and hands. The P is suspended in an essential fatty acid base, so the effect is quite nice on whatever tissues they come into contact with. Before the suppositories, I had Prometrium soft-gels, and I would poke a pin into one and squeeze out a few drops to blend into my face while moisturizing. Prescriptions for P are usually higher than needed, since many girls vary their dosages over each month, so the extra is usable for topical application. I felt it helped my lips get fatter very quickly, so I covered them with a thin layer of it at bedtime every night. It also promotes better sleep patterns, which was help I truly needed at the time. I grew an actual upper lip while doing this, something neither of my sisters ever grew, and they are sooo jellious, lol..

It is advisable that everybody uses a UV blocker to prevent more damage, and there are awesome moisturizing UV blockers with mild tints for everyday use. BB creams are a very subtle way to balance skin tone, soften skin, and protect skin from UV damage while not looking like makeup at all. As you may have noticed, cis women often use multiple makeup approaches, one being the 'what, me? I'm not wearing any makeup at all' look, lol. Look for 'nude' shades that match you skin tone, and off you go!

Hope this helps!

Missy
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Mirya

Quote from: HappyMoni on February 05, 2017, 12:28:41 PM
Any thoughts on waiting for electrolysis to be finished before doing the laser skin treatment? Wondering about the pores being opened up/scared by the probe.

I don't know since I never needed electrolysis, but that's definitely something to consider.  It's a question you'll want to ask your dermatologist at a consultation.

Quote from: HappyMoni on February 05, 2017, 12:28:41 PM
Thanks Mirya! I am hoping to go lower cost first, but I appreciate the heads up on the Fractional CO2 laser. Also going to the dermatologist is a great idea. Oh, I would love to know how you pronounce your name.

I'm Asian, with very pale skin and very black hair, so laser hair removal worked perfectly for my facial hair.  Those same traits make me a poor candidate for Fractional CO2 laser however.  If you're Caucasian, you'll likely get much better results with Fractional CO2, so you'll probably want to opt for that.  As for my name, it's pronounced the same as the middle eastern country 'Syria' (but no relation!  :)

The main reason I had laser skin resurfacing was to treat the skin indents and discoloration caused by a lifetime of acne scars.  It worked wonderfully, and I'm sure it'll help you too.
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Miss Clara

I've had three separate fractionated CO2 laser treatments at 1 year intervals.  They work well in my experience.  The treatment 'drills' thousands of tiny holes deep into the dermal skin layer using laser light.  The body reacts to heal these tiny wounds, and in the process restores much of the collagen that it lost as we age.   Fine wrinkles disappear, skin color evens out, and to some extend the skin tights reducing sag.  My first treatment was with an Alma Pixel CO2 laser before I started facial hair removal.  The second was done a year later about halfway through facial hair removal (electrolysis) also with the Pixel, and the third was done using a Deka Dot fractionated CO2 laser. 

Each treatment produced an improvement in my skin's appearance.  Pores became less noticeable, discoloration spots disappeared, and my skin looked fresher and younger.  The scarring from 2 years of aggressive electrolysis improved some, but not nearly as much as I had hoped.  I was told that electrolysis scars are much deeper than acne scars, so the effectiveness of laser treatment is limited. 

The down time after treatment was 6 days each time.  After the first two treatments, the outer layer of skin peeled off.  There was no peeling after the Deka Dot treatment.  A lot depends on how much power is applied to the laser.  I experienced no hyper pigmentation which I was told is more of a problem with darker skin using higher power.  The cost of my treatments was #1-$400, #2-$1500, #3-$1100.  I will do another treatment in a year.
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Kadence1

I've had fractional CO2 laser done on my face and it is worth EVERY penny!!!!! My face looks so good because of it, even 5 years later! I had really bad scarring from cystic acne, and now you can't even see the scarring!! I'm getting it done on my chest here soon. Another thing that's really good and works really good is retin-a. You have to get a prescription for it, but it's worth it!!


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HappyMoni

Any idea what reasons could be used to get the Retin A covered?
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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MissGendered

Quote from: HappyMoni on February 06, 2017, 04:56:07 PM
Any idea what reasons could be used to get the Retin A covered?
Moni

Moni,

My doctor prescribed it for acne treatments. He knew the real reason was for skin rejuvenation, but put down the insurance code for acne, which is a known side effect of HRT, especially during menopause. If your medical records have already been changed to your new name, and from male to female, there should be no problem or red flags when it goes through the insurance company. There may be no problem anyway, really, so you have nothing to lose by asking for the script. If your primary care doctor hesitates, your HRT prescriber will likely be on board and write it for you instead.

Missy.
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Danielle M

I have done IPL Photo Facial treatment and Derm Abrasion.  The IPL gets rid of redness and spider veins.  It also stimulates your collagen (sp).  The derm abrasion removes dead skin cells.  They have both worked pretty good for me.   
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