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Should I look into getting FFS?

Started by Allie24, February 05, 2017, 05:43:11 PM

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Allie24

Hi everybody.

So I've been on HRT for a little over a year, but I'm still very self-conscious about certain parts of my body; my face in particular. I feel like my brow is very pronounced, like a male's, and I was wondering if any of you think I ought to consider some kind of plastic surgery to fix this, or if I might be passable without FFS.

Here are two pics of me without makeup:

http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/Allie_Ehrler/media/IMG_5138_zpsqwdy3l0e.jpg.html

http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/Allie_Ehrler/media/IMG_5141_zpsrvtepp2e.jpg.html
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Angélique LaCava

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Alora

OMG hun... you are such a lucky gal IMHO. I can't think of anything that you would need to change. Especially with that natural hair.


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Sophia Sage

I think you'd benefit greatly from forehead work.  While your forehead is nicely rounded overall (which definitely helps with passing), there's still definitely some significant projection that's noticeable in profile, and head-on creates a tell-tale shadow at the bridge of your nose as well as making your eyes appear more deep-set. Having your forehead reconstructed (along with a narrowing rhinoplasty that also makes sure everything is smoothly set back at the bridge) would be profound, I think. 

Your lower jaw is nice -- nice pointed chin, back of the mandible isn't squared off or low, but even here feminization to reduce the vertical height, along with a lip-lift, would make your face practically unclockable. 

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Dena

There is only one thing I can see that you might consider. Your facial skin looks rough in the pictures. If that's the results of acne, it's possible to improve your skin. If it's the result of recent hair removal, then your face is really great the way it is. I think you you are better off with your face the way it is than risking the issues that might develop with FFS.
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Nina_Ottawa

Quote from: Angélique LaCava on February 05, 2017, 06:27:33 PM
I don't think  you need FFS.

Totally agree!
I don't comment often on pics because who am I to judge? I'm not an expert. Plus, I didn't go for FFS...for me, waste of money. Other things to spend my money on.

Allie, you look great  and a nice arched brow...and plucked too!!
I've seen a few pics here...would love to get my tweezers in there.
I find a good eyebrow plucking session quite soothing lol
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Denise

Agreed with others.  You don't need it in my opinion.
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Selenakyle

I think you look great. No need for FFS.
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Floof

I wouldn't think twice if I met you on the street, you have a very pretty and feminine face. Ofc I can't blame you if there are things you see in your own face that others don't react to. People tell me I'm good to go, but I still have major concerns that are very hard to shake! The big question for me is 'will the inherent risks of FFS be worth it'? Are the things I am displeased with major enough that surgery is required; surgery is always a risk and I want to do as little as I can to get where I want to be. I don't need to look supermodel hot, just womanly :)

Do you struggle a bit with your skin? I can see you have some bumps and valleys on your cheeks. I had major issues until I got very strict with myself on how I take care of it.
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Allie24

Quote from: Floof on February 06, 2017, 02:46:19 AM
I wouldn't think twice if I met you on the street, you have a very pretty and feminine face. Ofc I can't blame you if there are things you see in your own face that others don't react to. People tell me I'm good to go, but I still have major concerns that are very hard to shake! The big question for me is 'will the inherent risks of FFS be worth it'? Are the things I am displeased with major enough that surgery is required; surgery is always a risk and I want to do as little as I can to get where I want to be. I don't need to look supermodel hot, just womanly :)

Do you struggle a bit with your skin? I can see you have some bumps and valleys on your cheeks. I had major issues until I got very strict with myself on how I take care of it.

I used to have pretty bad acne. What you see are the scars left over from that.
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Floof

Quote from: Allie24 on February 06, 2017, 05:22:38 AM
I used to have pretty bad acne. What you see are the scars left over from that.
I see. I was so fortunate to escape with only a few scars over my eyes that are covered by my eyebrows, and a couple on the chin..

Your face is still a lovely feminine shape, and I'm totally jealous of that elegantly curved nose. I'm considering a little FFS for myself, and my main concern would be adjusting the nose to something like what you have.
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KayXo

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Iliana.Found

Hey,
I think you look very cute. You have facial features that I wish I had lol So no, like many have said, I do not think that you need FFS. But, like Floof said, I also realize that we see things in ourselves that others don't and we would like to change them :)
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Aurorasky

No, I don't think you need. Your face is fairly feminine. What I would look into is fixing those eyebrows. Damn girl, thet are too far apart. Let them grow more in the middle and you will be perfect. Your facial features are gold. Xoxo
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Mirya

I think the best thing you can do for your face right now is getting laser skin resurfacing.  Removing or reducing those acne scars may be enough to help you feel satisfied with your face.  Check out this recent thread here at Susan's for a current discussion on the topic:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,219571

But I also have to agree with Sophia Sage here, and say that you would benefit from forehead work.  I think she and I are the only ones that have responded in this thread who have actually had FFS, so we know firsthand the wonders it can do to improve our look and self-image.  Before I had forehead work, everyone told me I already passed, that I looked fine, beautiful, and that I didn't need it.  Only one or two people told me that I should get it done.  And I'm very glad that I followed their advice, because not only do I look more naturally feminine, but I also feel much better about the reflection in the mirror - which is the most important thing of all.

I'll also echo Aurorasky's comments and say that the spacing of your eyebrows look a little off.  You may want to fill them in while you let them regrow in the middle.  Other than that I love how you did your eyebrows!

But overall I think you look great and very feminine already.  You're very lucky to have such a good starting point!
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Allie24

Quote from: Mirya on February 06, 2017, 09:23:50 AM
I think the best thing you can do for your face right now is getting laser skin resurfacing.  Removing or reducing those acne scars may be enough to help you feel satisfied with your face.  Check out this recent thread here at Susan's for a current discussion on the topic:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,219571

But I also have to agree with Sophia Sage here, and say that you would benefit from forehead work.  I think she and I are the only ones that have responded in this thread who have actually had FFS, so we know firsthand the wonders it can do to improve our look and self-image.  Before I had forehead work, everyone told me I already passed, that I looked fine, beautiful, and that I didn't need it.  Only one or two people told me that I should get it done.  And I'm very glad that I followed their advice, because not only do I look more naturally feminine, but I also feel much better about the reflection in the mirror - which is the most important thing of all.

I'll also echo Aurorasky's comments and say that the spacing of your eyebrows look a little off.  You may want to fill them in while you let them regrow in the middle.  Other than that I love how you did your eyebrows!

But overall I think you look great and very feminine already.  You're very lucky to have such a good starting point!

I'll definitely take your advice on the eyebrows! Lol I know I tend to go a little overboard with the plucking.

How much did your forehead contouring cost? Do you know what the risks are?
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: Mirya on February 06, 2017, 09:23:50 AMBut I also have to agree with Sophia Sage here, and say that you would benefit from forehead work.  I think she and I are the only ones that have responded in this thread who have actually had FFS, so we know firsthand the wonders it can do to improve our look and self-image.  Before I had forehead work, everyone told me I already passed, that I looked fine, beautiful, and that I didn't need it.  Only one or two people told me that I should get it done.  And I'm very glad that I followed their advice, because not only do I look more naturally feminine, but I also feel much better about the reflection in the mirror - which is the most important thing of all.

Just to follow up on this, Allie, I wouldn't say that you need FFS in order to pass.  Like Mirya, I too was doing "fine" before facial surgery.  And yet facial surgery changed everything, because now the ambiguity in my face was gone and it did materially change how people interacted with me.  The quality of the female gendering I received definitely improved.  There was no longer any hesitation, and that subsequent ease just made everything, well, easier.

Even more so, the dysphoria that I felt looking in the mirror disappeared.  I was very aware of my own physical shortcomings, and those shortcomings were rectified. And the thing is, that awareness wasn't just at the depth of conscious thought -- it burrowed deep into my subconscious.  And that is a wondrous thing.  It really helped me to "let go" of my issues and hangups and bad memories.  It tremendously boosted my confidence. 

This is why I think you would benefit from forehead work, and really from all the sorts of procedures that are typically employed in FFS. 

Quote from: Allie24 on February 06, 2017, 10:01:56 AMDo you know how much forehead contouring costs? And what are the risks?

How much it costs varies from surgeon to surgeon, and depends on what procedures are actually necessary to accomplish your goals, much of which comes down to your particular bone structures.  Thick bone can be burred down; thin bone has to be resected, reconstructed, and put back in place.  Thick bone is generally called Type I and thin bone Type III.  It takes an X-ray or certain kinds of CT scans to determine bone thickness.

The prices I've heard just for the forehead would probably be around 10k to 15k USD, but honestly it's not something I've kept up with (I had my facial surgery at the turn of the century).  But you'd also probably want to get rhinoplasty done, because you want a smooth and natural transition from your nose to your forehead, and that'll add another 8k or so as well.  Full FFS (forehead, nose, trachea, chin, mandible) ranges from 20k to 45k, I believe, depending on who you go to.  Some people have had success in getting it covered by insurance. 

I am personally most impressed with the work of Facial Team in Marbella, Spain, but there are many good options to choose from in the US, Europe, Asia, and even South America now. 

The risks for surgery are the same for most surgeries -- the biggest risks being post-op infection and adverse reaction to anesthesia.  But these are the same risks for SRS, and they're quite small; modern operating theaters are very good at managing them. 
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Allie24

Quote from: Sophia Sage on February 06, 2017, 10:25:07 AM
Just to follow up on this, Allie, I wouldn't say that you need FFS in order to pass.  Like Mirya, I too was doing "fine" before facial surgery.  And yet facial surgery changed everything, because now the ambiguity in my face was gone and it did materially change how people interacted with me.  The quality of the female gendering I received definitely improved.  There was no longer any hesitation, and that subsequent ease just made everything, well, easier.

Even more so, the dysphoria that I felt looking in the mirror disappeared.  I was very aware of my own physical shortcomings, and those shortcomings were rectified. And the thing is, that awareness wasn't just at the depth of conscious thought -- it burrowed deep into my subconscious.  And that is a wondrous thing.  It really helped me to "let go" of my issues and hangups and bad memories.  It tremendously boosted my confidence. 

This is why I think you would benefit from forehead work, and really from all the sorts of procedures that are typically employed in FFS. 

How much it costs varies from surgeon to surgeon, and depends on what procedures are actually necessary to accomplish your goals, much of which comes down to your particular bone structures.  Thick bone can be burred down; thin bone has to be resected, reconstructed, and put back in place.  Thick bone is generally called Type I and thin bone Type III.  It takes an X-ray or certain kinds of CT scans to determine bone thickness.

The prices I've heard just for the forehead would probably be around 10k to 15k USD, but honestly it's not something I've kept up with (I had my facial surgery at the turn of the century).  But you'd also probably want to get rhinoplasty done, because you want a smooth and natural transition from your nose to your forehead, and that'll add another 8k or so as well.  Full FFS (forehead, nose, trachea, chin, mandible) ranges from 20k to 45k, I believe, depending on who you go to.  Some people have had success in getting it covered by insurance. 

I am personally most impressed with the work of Facial Team in Marbella, Spain, but there are many good options to choose from in the US, Europe, Asia, and even South America now. 

The risks for surgery are the same for most surgeries -- the biggest risks being post-op infection and adverse reaction to anesthesia.  But these are the same risks for SRS, and they're quite small; modern operating theaters are very good at managing them.

Yikes! That's pretty high. I feel I might have to end up choosing between FFS and SRS. I have some pretty serious dysphoria around both, but I think fixing my face might alleviate a lot of my bottom dysphoria.
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Nina_Ottawa

It's a funny thing about dysphoria...and I don't mean in a "ha-ha" way. It seems if you're on one side of the fence where dysphoria hasn't hit you, it won't cost you near as much as if you're on the other side.
In my first year, I suffered a wee bit of dysphoria and got a trachea shave. Add in the cost of 80 sessions of electrolysis, therapy...came in around 13k. I was considering vocal cord and FFS, and had the money available, but I convinced myself to wait and live through year #2. And the end of year 2, for some reason - probably the combination of RLE and the payoff from electroylsis, I ditched spending any more money.
Course, I'm 51...soon to be 52...maybe if I were 25 years younger I'd consider it, but I'm at a point in my life that "like me as I am."
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