Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 12, 2017, 10:12:18 PM

Quote from: FTMax on February 12, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
I'd also recommend again that if you really want to work and all that matters to you is becoming employed, to actually start applying to jobs. All the jobs. Every single one that you are qualified for, with no overthinking about what you can and can't do.

And what should I do after applying and applying and nobody hires me or I get constantly get fired due to job performance?? I need to know

Any services to recommend that can help me get and keep a job can I do supported employment??

I'm fairly certain you would need a documented disability in order to qualify for any such service.

My issue is that you haven't applied to anything as far as you've said. Why worry about hypotheticals when you haven't even started to do anything?

Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 12, 2017, 02:22:20 PMWhat difference does it make say someone works at a distribution center as a picker, where they go around picking items to be processed for delivery, and say they have to pick 100 items every hour and they, due to having a learning disability and/or are on the spectrum, etc., only are able to pick about 50-70 items every hour

You have to understand that, for better or for worse, businesses are interested in only one thing: making money.  They make more money processing 100 items per hour than they do processing 50-70 items per hour.  So, given the choice, they will hire the person who can process 100 items per hour.  They will only hire a slower worker if a government subsidy gets them more money than for a faster worker.

You have to find something that you can do as well as the next worker.  I understand that this is difficult.  Hopefully you can find a vocational centre or similar agency that can help you with that search.

Quote from: KathyLauren on February 13, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
You have to understand that, for better or for worse, businesses are interested in only one thing: making money.  They make more money processing 100 items per hour than they do processing 50-70 items per hour.  So, given the choice, they will hire the person who can process 100 items per hour.  They will only hire a slower worker if a government subsidy gets them more money than for a faster worker.

If businesses continue to be like that I hope their heartlessness puts them out of business.  I get it they have to make money but I believe they can make efforts to hire and need to quit stigmatizing I can't help that I'm "slow" and can't help I need a little extra help and if employers/businesses can't understand there are people like me that are born with developmental difficulties and need help with job performance (no matter what job I'm gonna need it) then their business doesn't deserve to be in business.

Quote from: KathyLauren on February 13, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
You have to find something that you can do as well as the next worker.  I understand that this is difficult.  Hopefully you can find a vocational centre or similar agency that can help you with that search.

Do you know of any services that could help in or out of state that'll be much appreciated.

Quote from: FTMax on February 13, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
I'm fairly certain you would need a documented disability in order to qualify for any such service.

It's documented in fact I recently obtained a physical copy of it.

Quote from: FTMax on February 13, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
My issue is that you haven't applied to anything as far as you've said. Why worry about hypotheticals when you haven't even started to do anything?

Because those hypotheticals have happened to me and I don't want happening again. Can I just have an answer about those what ifs?? Please??


While I'm at it I'm gonna note that the counselor I been seeing at my college is helping me in getting and seeing what jobs I could perform and she knows of my past jobs and all the issues I have and the concerns about being able to perform job task without being fired for being too slow. Thankfully she understands and agrees that employers should give me a chance regardless. And I'm in the process of moving in with a friend so once I get moved in I'll be able to do more in getting help.

Take this as you will. I wouldn't hire you. You insist on concessions, but what the boss wants to hear is how you can help the company, not how you can make it less profitable. You exude a sense of entitlement and display a poor attitude.

If all you have is a gung-ho spirit, you need to be telling the boss that. Be waiting in the parking lot when the doors open. That's how you'll earn concessions, and respect. But you need to apply somewhere first. No one ever got a job by complaining on Susan's about not finding jobs that are easy.

Good luck.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 13, 2017, 06:46:17 PM
Take this as you will. I wouldn't hire you. You insist on concessions, but what the boss wants to hear is how you can help the company, not how you can make it less profitable. You exude a sense of entitlement and display a poor attitude.

If all you have is a gung-ho spirit, you need to be telling the boss that. Be waiting in the parking lot when the doors open. That's how you'll earn concessions, and respect. But you need to apply somewhere first. No one ever got a job by complaining on Susan's about not finding jobs that are easy.

Good luck.

Hugs, Devlyn

So because I'm gonna need some help I wouldn't be good for any company?? Really?? And that makes me have a sense of entitlement?? Really?? Sheesh no wonder why most that have either a learning disability, are on the spectrum, or both are living in poverty (go on ->-bleeped-<- and Wrong Planet to see what I mean) it's attitudes like this all I'm asking is for an employer to understand I'm not perfect but I work.

And if you must know I only seem to have a so-called gung ho spirit because I'm dealing with comments implying that business shouldn't have to hire those with disabilities like seriously what am I supposed to do live off the government only to be bad mouthed by those who won't give me a chance at employment??

You misunderstood. I'm saying you need to sell your strong points. If you have a strong work ethic, sell it. If you have a bubbly personality, sell it.

Business owners aren't being unfair by expecting a  normal output from you. They're trying to feed their families and scrape together their pile of money. Nothing wrong with that.  You can't  do it by hiring twice as many workers as it really takes to get the job done.

Hugs, Devlyn

But they're being unfair for not wanting to be inclusive

I really don't see it as not wanting to be inclusive, though. The deal is as such: "Cook me X amount of Big Macs and I'll  pay you Y amount of dollars." There really isn't any bargaining or negotiating beyond that. You sign a paper saying you are able to perform the  work, and you are in a job contract. Like any contract, you're obligated to hold up your end.

Hugs, Devlyn

So what you suggest I and others with disabilities do then??

We need accommodations to help us perform the job what part is of that is so hard to understand??

Why are people against this??

   I would like to add a comment as I can see this heading in a more heated direction. Emily will have to figure this out in her real life. Emily, you will have to do some trial and error to find your way. People are trying very hard to offer suggestions to help. I would urge that this effort of trying to help not turn into an exercise in expressing frustration. I am not claiming any magical answers. I don't think it serves anyone if this gets highly negative. This is a support site. People ask for help. Well meaning people offer ideas.  Those ideas sometimes take root, sometimes not.
Monica

Tonight makes me wonder if some people here would like to see the Americans with Disabilities Act be repealed or something.

Sweetie, it would be amazing if we could wave the wand, and make this disappear - unfortunately this is a problem that can only be fixed by problem solving.

That means that you'll need to try some things, it means that you're going to have to 'have a go' and see if you can do the job asked. At the moment, your loop is limiting your self belief, and that in turn is raising your anxiety, and your reluctance.

I totally understand your frustration, but in the end you'll have gained skills in perseverance and resilience through your own self determination and desire to be independent.

You can do this - look at the range of folk offering suggestions, we're all here shouting you on from the bleachers, and we'll be congratulating you when you succeed....

Sno.

I'm saying as a business operator, I'm willing to be inclusive but not at the cost of the success of the business I run. The owner of my company has a wife and children to support. I have bills to pay. All of my employees have households to support. The investors would like to see a return on their investment. I owe it to all of those people to make very precise hiring decisions. I owe nothing to a random applicant except being willing to consider them for the position.

If someone were to say to me that their output in a job would be half of what was expected, I would only be willing to hire them if they would accept half the wages that I was planning to pay for the job originally. I'm going to have to come up with a way for the other half of that work to get done, and that will cost money whether it's hiring another part-time employee or having an existing employee absorb the work and deserving a raise as a result. The entry level jobs I have start at $15/hour. So if someone tells me they can only do half, I can only offer them $7.50/hour. I wouldn't be against doing it, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to do this work for that little amount of money.

Nobody anywhere is entitled to a job. It would certainly be nice if there was a job for everyone that wanted one and was qualified for it, but that's just not the case.

My suggestion is that you need to look into local resources for people with disabilities. If you have documentation, they should be able to point you towards work placement opportunities. I know of at least two county offices here that do that, as well as a handful of private organizations. I'd be shocked if there wasn't something similar where you are.

Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 12:37:17 AM
Tonight makes me wonder if some people here would like to see the Americans with Disabilities Act be repealed or something.

You need to stop dropping offensive comments like this. Grow up.

I have only read a bit of this but it seems that this thread is getting heated for no reason. As someone who is diagnosed as autisitc (tho, high funcationing) in addition to other things i will say a few things. One, it is unfair  if one has any impairment mentally or physically but an employer will be intrested only in hiring those most able for that job. Largely speaking, the amount of speed from ones producivity. As one points out many employers are willing to give those with special needs a fair chance either because of a subsidies or because they have faith a decent days of works can be accomplished from prospective hire. I have worked in kitchens, bakerys, retail (Costco, independent grocery, body shops), fast food joints, ect. My best advice would be if one has many impairments into retail or a call center for1st job experience. Call centers you sit at a desk for x amount of hours and take care, however if you do that i would adivce to be a inbound center rather then outbound. There would be a bit less angry people to deal with. Or retail! not hard at all just got to make sure you work on you time. One of my first jobs was working grill at McDonalds, in less then a year i became manager. Infact i became manager one month after coming out as transgender.. Most people, atleast in Canada dont care if you are autistc and or trans as long as you get the job done. There were so many people mad at me that i became manager within 10 months of working there when other worked years and years >: ).. But i always took every call in, stayed late, took other shifts, ect. I too have issues learning and picking some stuff up at first,but once i get into it there is no stopping me!. I a not making this, or i am trying not to make this about me. However, i am trying to say i got similar things like you do. Sometimes one really needs to go out of their comfort zone and tackle new things in order to move forth. And beleive me it is HARD, but transition is beelvie it or not harder. baby steps! I believe in you <3,

Re-reading some stuff you have posted in regards to former employment with Wal Mart, i suggest maybe try a call center. Or a customer service hot line at like Sears or something. I think that would be a better start for you!

Perhaps what you need dear is a bit of inspiration. Here's a quote on work from the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.:

Whatever your life's work is, do it well. Even if it does not fall in the category of one of the so-called big professions, do it well. As one college president said, "A man should do his job so well that the living, the dead, and the unborn could do it no better." If it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets like Michelangelo painted pictures, like Shakespeare wrote poetry, like Beethoven composed music; sweep streets so well that all the host of Heaven and earth will have to pause and say, "Here lived a great street sweeper, who swept his job well."

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on February 14, 2017, 09:35:19 AM
I have only read a bit of this but it seems that this thread is getting heated for no reason. As someone who is diagnosed as autisitc (tho, high funcationing) in addition to other things i will say a few things. One, it is unfair  if one has any impairment mentally or physically but an employer will be intrested only in hiring those most able for that job. Largely speaking, the amount of speed from ones producivity. As one points out many employers are willing to give those with special needs a fair chance either because of a subsidies or because they have faith a decent days of works can be accomplished from prospective hire. I have worked in kitchens, bakerys, retail (Costco, independent grocery, body shops), fast food joints, ect. My best advice would be if one has many impairments into retail or a call center for1st job experience. Call centers you sit at a desk for x amount of hours and take care, however if you do that i would adivce to be a inbound center rather then outbound. There would be a bit less angry people to deal with. Or retail! not hard at all just got to make sure you work on you time. One of my first jobs was working grill at McDonalds, in less then a year i became manager. Infact i became manager one month after coming out as transgender.. Most people, atleast in Canada dont care if you are autistc and or trans as long as you get the job done. There were so many people mad at me that i became manager within 10 months of working there when other worked years and years >: ).. But i always took every call in, stayed late, took other shifts, ect. I too have issues learning and picking some stuff up at first,but once i get into it there is no stopping me!. I a not making this, or i am trying not to make this about me. However, i am trying to say i got similar things like you do. Sometimes one really needs to go out of their comfort zone and tackle new things in order to move forth. And beleive me it is HARD, but transition is beelvie it or not harder. baby steps! I believe in you <3,

Between you , HappyMoni, and Gertrude ya are the only ones that understand what do you think I should do if I'm truly deemed unsuitable for the workplace my disability impairs my speed greatly in my diagnosis report there's an entire page just for that. I just wish everyone else will realize this is what I been trying to say I'm not choosing to be a slow seemingly unproductive worker I can do jobs just not the speed they expect maybe I need a brain transplant.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 14, 2017, 09:17:13 AM
You need to stop dropping offensive comments like this. Grow up.

You know whats offensive most of the responses I gotten here these past three nights.

Quote from: FTMax on February 14, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
I'm saying as a business operator, I'm willing to be inclusive but not at the cost of the success of the business I run. The owner of my company has a wife and children to support. I have bills to pay. All of my employees have households to support. The investors would like to see a return on their investment. I owe it to all of those people to make very precise hiring decisions. I owe nothing to a random applicant except being willing to consider them for the position.

If someone were to say to me that their output in a job would be half of what was expected, I would only be willing to hire them if they would accept half the wages that I was planning to pay for the job originally. I'm going to have to come up with a way for the other half of that work to get done, and that will cost money whether it's hiring another part-time employee or having an existing employee absorb the work and deserving a raise as a result. The entry level jobs I have start at $15/hour. So if someone tells me they can only do half, I can only offer them $7.50/hour. I wouldn't be against doing it, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to do this work for that little amount of money.

Nobody anywhere is entitled to a job. It would certainly be nice if there was a job for everyone that wanted one and was qualified for it, but that's just not the case.

Ok what do you suggest then should I really be unsuitable for the workforce?? I want an answer even if its the one I don't want to hear I'm just tired of this being ignored every time I ask.

Quote from: FTMax on February 14, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
My suggestion is that you need to look into local resources for people with disabilities. If you have documentation, they should be able to point you towards work placement opportunities. I know of at least two county offices here that do that, as well as a handful of private organizations. I'd be shocked if there wasn't something similar where you are.

I been looking and researching this myself maybe I'm not searching right but I turn up empty each time luckily my counselor is helping on this and is getting in contact with people in and outside the system.

If you spent half as much time looking for work as you do typing rebuttals, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 14, 2017, 09:59:59 PM
If you spent half as much time looking for work as you do typing rebuttals, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

I do though 

And why you even posting here if you're not even gonna help