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Q Of The Day: What’s Your Presidential Candidate Deal-Breaker Issue?

Started by Hazumu, January 16, 2008, 07:33:02 AM

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SarahFaceDoom

Quote from: tekla on January 29, 2008, 09:13:10 PM
Which wipes out most of the republican field.

If not all of it.  A republican running on a gay friendly platform might as well be running as a third party.  I sure have not seen any sympathy from any of them.


It's so dumb, because I bet half of them don't even actually care about LGBT enough to really be anti-.  But because Bush made it such a big issue for the right, they all have to toe that line to have any hope of getting elected.  Even crazy fringe republicans like Ron Paul are openly anti-lgbt.

I do think Huckabee is funny though.  Even if he would put me in a concentration camp if he could.
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joannatsf

Quote from: debbie.j on January 29, 2008, 09:17:41 PM
::) ::) this might sound stange  but  to me Politics. has always been like a carp shooters game. and always  plaiyed very drity .  ::) ::) myself if i had a choice i would rather play  the slots at lest i got  a bettter chance there then on a crap shooters game . haveing said that  and to wating to waste my right to vote . the only one  that i can even seeing myself voteing for in anyway  would have to be hilary Clinton. the rest of them i could not see it in the cards   ::) ::)

As far as I know , Carp shooting is illegal in all 50 states.  It's not sporting after all.  Get yourself a pole and some line !   ::)

As far as Crap shooting goes; while it moves very fast the crap table gives you the best odds in the casino.  The house only has a 1.5% advantage on pass line bets and you have even odds when you back the pass line bet (a back bet).  The same applies for don't pass.  Every other bet on the table is a sucker bet where the house has a big advantage as they do on slot machines.
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debbie.j

Quote from: Claire de Lune on February 01, 2008, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: debbie.j on January 29, 2008, 09:17:41 PM
::) ::) this might sound stange  but  to me Politics. has always been like a carp shooters game. and always  plaiyed very drity .  ::) ::) myself if i had a choice i would rather play  the slots at lest i got  a bettter chance there then on a crap shooters game . haveing said that  and to wating to waste my right to vote . the only one  that i can even seeing myself voteing for in anyway  would have to be hilary Clinton. the rest of them i could not see it in the cards   ::) ::)



As far as Crap shooting goes; while it moves very fast the crap table gives you the best odds in the casino.  The house only has a 1.5% advantage on pass line bets and you have even odds when you back the pass line bet (a back bet).  The same applies for don't pass.  Every other bet on the table is a sucker bet where the house has a big advantage as they do on slot machines.

hi Claire de Lune i guess some how i miss spoke myself  ::) well i already got the pole and line  not sure

what i need it for tho  ::) ::) and iam very aware of  Crap shooting being illegal in all 50 states. and how

the numbers game runs on the casinos. um but that was not the point i  was trying to make.  ::)i was just

useing craps shooting games as a example ,ore or less ::) ::). now back on topic the way it is looking now

between Clinton or Obama getting the  super tuesday vote hard to say there. it would be great if they

could be more clear on the view inregards to LGBT matters . as well as the rest of there plateform ::) ::)
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Chaunte

Quote from: debbie.j on February 01, 2008, 06:14:20 PM
now back on topic the way it is looking now between Clinton or Obama getting the  super tuesday vote hard to say there. it would be great if they could be more clear on the view inregards to LGBT matters as well as the rest of there plateform ::) ::)

Actually, I went to their official campaign websites.  Senator Obama has posted his answers to the questionaire HRC sent him.  I was very pleased with his answers.  More importantly for us, he specifically included GENDER IDENTITY along with SEXUAL ORIENTATION in his answers.

(I know that HRC is a dirty word after ENDA, but it was still a good questionaire.)

Senator Clinton did not post her answers.  I did send a couple generic LGBT questions to her via the website.  If I should hear anything, I will post her reply.

On Super Tuesday, New York will probably give its delegates to Senator Clinton.  Nevertheless, unless something drastic happens, I will be voting for Senator Obama.

Chaunte
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Ms Jessica

So what does everyone think of the emerging field? 
I think I like Obama the best, based on his rhetoric.  You won't really know for sure how someone's going to behave until they get in the white house, but Obama at least seems to be talking about doing something and not just complaining about how bad things are.  I haven't been paying that much attention to the news, but it seems like every time Hillary gets on TV she's just talking about how messed up everything is. 
I'm not so sure about McCain.  I agree with one of the earlier posters who said that basically, if you're running Republican, you have to be anti-LGBT, even if you aren't really.  The one thing I do like about him is that he's at least against waterboarding. 
I'd say of all the issues, that was the one that bugged me the most.  Torture is torture, no matter how *safe* it might make us.  The second thing is basically LGBT issues, including health care.  I consider anyone that wants to turn the US into a theocracy to be a bad choice in that department, so I'm hesitant about the Republicans, especially with McCain trying to repair his burned bridges with the social conservative/evangelical/moral majority base. 
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Kaelin

There are so many points being made that seem redundant to just "me too" on, so I'll just try to list some of them: some sort of universal coverage, civil rights (including expression, identity, and not torturing, repealing PATRIOT Act, disengaging from unnecessary war), economic responsibility (including some tax hikes to help pay off our massive debt), and clean energy policy.  I'll also tack on net neutrality and religious freedom (including atheists/agnostics).  Actually, what I really like about this political discussion is that it really focuses on issues more than the politicians themselves (some of these political blogs are freakin' nuts).

Regarding Clinton v/ Obama (as that's what its down to at this point, because while McCain is the least offensive Republican, he's dumped most of his credibility as a moderate over the last eight years), I'm going to have to slightly favor Obama on the basis that he's gone to great lengths to explain his goals (even if not always specific policies) on a wide array of issues, and he's conducted himself well in a very heated race for the nomination (while hardly a deciding factor, the nuance he demonstrated in his pastor speech is very reassuring).

Quote from: tekla on January 20, 2008, 01:01:26 AMhttp://www.newstarget.com/z019659.html

Based on the content in the article, I'd question the prudence of eliminating the income tax in favor of a 33% sales tax.  That comes in quite regressive (poor people buy goods, rich people buy services), and the US is already has the most inequality of all the developed nations.  And the same goes with privatizing Social Security (imagine what that would have done back in 2000 right before the stock market crash).  Squeezing the lower/middle classes will only accelerate a downfall by starving those groups of resources.  Things *are* bad economically, but it's a little less dire than that (we are more likely to go out with a wimper of declining currency rather than a hard crash), and conservative solutions are essentially what got the US in this mess (national deficit as a percentage of GDP was stable/declining from the '50s to the '70s, but shot up under Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr).

Quote from: Chaunte on January 29, 2008, 09:38:22 PMKids today have nothing to spark the imagination - something that will interest them to go into math, science & technology.  It's one of the main reasons why manufactureres are producing overseas - a better educated work force.

Regarding education in general, part of our success in educating children is having them be interested in it.  It's not like there is anything intrinsically wrong with them -- however, many parents are often not taking an active role to support (not push, but support) them in this regard (sometimes out necessity due to other obligations, sometimes out of indifference), and you have the advertising market do their best to get their targets to put education aside and just buy buy buy without worrying about consequences.

Imagination and creativity in a broader sense can also be supported by (1) providing children a broader range of activities and possibilities and (2) having the wisdom to not prohibiting harmless behaviors (by actually caring to test and verify what's actually dangerous).

As for what government and schools actually have the power to do, obviously getting NCLB and other stratifying overhead out of the way will help, but introducing optional positive elements (adding a late round of bussing so that students can more easily participate in extra-cirricular activities, which will encourage and empower teachers to sponsor more of them, including a variety of seminars and surveys, formal and informal, on a variety of subjects... including voting methods).
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