Susan's Place Logo

News:

Based on internal web log processing I show 3,417,511 Users made 5,324,115 Visits Accounting for 199,729,420 pageviews and 8.954.49 TB of data transfer for 2017, all on a little over $2,000 per month.

Help support this website by Donating or Subscribing! (Updated)

Main Menu

Does it happen that someone detransitions after SRS ?

Started by MtFGenderQueer, January 12, 2016, 06:22:28 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

MtFGenderQueer

How often does it happen that someone detransitions after having undergone GRS ?
What are options for these people after they make that decision ?

Just curious .
Non op myself .
I respect detransitioning people , it just interests me .
PS : no intention of ever detransitioning myself :)


Mod Edit - TOS 2 If you have issues without moderation is done please take it up with the admins. See TOS 20.
  •  


archlord

Honestly if this person make it  to SRS and  had all requirements including physchologist writing on paper that it is the right decision for her to undergo SRS then there is something wrong..  One should get SRS only when she is 100% sure that it is the right thing to do.   This is why it is so long to meet criterias.  I have seen someone detransition a year after SRS  on ->-bleeped-<- but that looked like a troll.
  •  

MtFGenderQueer

Well , I respect everyone's decision as long as they're happy :)

It caught my attention after reading Walt Heyer's story .
He lived eight years as Laura Jensen and then detransitioned to Walt Heyer again 6 years after GRS / SRS .

I just wondered if it was really exceptional or quite frequent .
  •  

stephaniec

  •  

stephaniec

What The Media Should Know About Walt Heyer And "Transition Regrets"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/02/what-the-media-should-know-about-walt-heyer-and/203855

Media Matters/ June 2, 2015 5:41 PM EDT  ››› CARLOS MAZA

"A popular right-wing activist with extreme, discredited views about LGBT people is making the media rounds to talk about Caitlyn Jenner, peddling the myth that many transgender people end up regretting transitioning.

Walt Heyer, contributor for the rabidly anti-LGBT web magazine The Federalist, appeared on the June 2 edition of CNN Newsroom to comment on Vanity Fair's cover story about Caitlyn Jenner's decision to publicly identify as a transgender woman."
  •  

iKate

It happens. There are a few famous cases, even. This is why I think that proper evaluation and mental health assessment is important and irreversible surgery is not something to be taken lightly or done on a whim.

Most of the cases are people who could not deal with life as a woman. Either it's not everything it was cracked up to be or they couldn't deal with discrimination and other issues. This is also why I believe that RLT while not perfect is an important pre-requisite for SRS since it's basically a trial period before you commit to something irreversible.
  •  

Karlie Ann

From my reading, another thing that happens is that they have other issues besides being trans, and those issues weren't dealt with.  Things like clinical depression, BPD, etc.  So transitioning didn't solve their issues like they thought it would.
Your current situation is not your final destination.
  •  

Wednesday

Not sure about how often it happens after SRS, but I think I read time ago that about 1% or maybe 2% of trans* folks (mtf and ftm people) were changing their gender (legally detransitioning) back to their assigned at birth one. So you would need to extrapolate it to the percentage of all transgenders who are doing not just HRT but GCS too.

I noticed some coinciding facts in all mtf detransition stories I've read about:

- Most transitions started after late twenties.
- They all had therapy, counseling and real life experience before going onto GCS.
- Poor response to T after detransition: dysphoria usually triggered again by T shots, had to decrease their dosages, spread them or even almost halt completely HRT. Some of them even said low E dosages worked better.
- Poor social adjustment: not passing, harassment, very few or no romantic relationships at all, etc.
- Insecurities about ther desired gender perfomance, unrealistic expectations.
- Most still struggling at some degree with gender identity issues after detransitioning.

I think in those cases adjustment difficulties (abuse, insecurity about appearance, social anxiety) bring more distress than dysphoria itself therefore they expected to solve those issues after GCS or even expected GCS to solve them somehow.

If you ask me I would say that a "worst case scenario" should be taken into account before doing most irreversible procedures. Transition sometimes comes at a high price, and it can outweigh dysphoria. It's not always feasible to obtain the ideal result we all want. Furthermore, transition doesn't guarantee happiness, social success nor romantic success. It just can fix some physical issues to a realistic extent.

But after all some would just know after doing all the thing.
"Witches were a bit like cats" - Terry Pratchett
  •  

JLT1

Go the the detransitioning section.  There are a couple in there.

It's very rare.

Jen
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

pretty pauline

Quote from: MtFGenderQueer on January 12, 2016, 07:10:42 PM
Well , I respect everyone's decision as long as they're happy :)

It caught my attention after reading Walt Heyer's story .
He lived eight years as Laura Jensen and then detransitioned to Walt Heyer again 6 years after GRS / SRS .

I just wondered if it was really exceptional or quite frequent .
It's very much the exception and very rare after SRS, transition saved my life, I've now lived over half my life as a woman, than I did in my previous life, 30th anniversary of my SRS last year, absolutely no regrets.
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
  •  

DanielleA

I know of a transwoman who lives in my town who had to detransition. I have never met this person so all I have are stories. Apparently they went all the way through transitioning and had reassignment but was forced to stop taking oestrogen after some medical thing happened ( I am guessing a liver problem maybe). I really feel sorry for this lady. From what I hear, she was really pretty too.
  •  

JLT1

Quote from: DanielleA on January 13, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
I know of a transwoman who lives in my town who had to detransition. I have never met this person so all I have are stories. Apparently they went all the way through transitioning and had reassignment but was forced to stop taking oestrogen after some medical thing happened ( I am guessing a liver problem maybe). I really feel sorry for this lady. From what I hear, she was really pretty too.

A good friend of mine had doctors who were opposed to gender transition tell her she had to stop because of liver problems.  It was a lie.  I had a doctor at a world renound hospital yell at me that they were going to put me on testosterone and I  would not transition further.  I left and never went back.

If you find that person, talk with them.  If they want a second opinion, I will pay for them to have it.  Just PM me the clinic information.

I am the endocrine expert at a fortune 100 company and I know of NO,as in any reason a person would medically have to stop estrogen.

That really upsets me.

Jennifer
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

kittenpower

There was someone that used to be a member here who stated that she had SRS to make it easier for her to have access to HRT??? She was very depressed and complained that she was bullied into SRS by her doctors and therapists.  Unfortunately people lie to get the treatment they "think" they need, and they manipulate the system, but the only people they are hurting are themselves.
  •  

AnonyMs

I think some people place too much trust in doctors. They are just people, with all the good and bad than any others have. Having a medical degree doesn't make you an infallible angel.

If I had to I'd lie to get SRS, and if it I regretted it I'd blame no one but myself.  And maybe not even myself, because sometimes you get into situations where there's no good choice. Life's like that sometimes.

I've had doctors lie to me a number of times, and I've more than returned the favor since. These days I always judge the risk and benefits when I speak to doctors to decide what to tell them. I'm still alive, so it seems to be working so far.
  •  

JoanneB

Yes it does happen. I've heard testimony to that to state of Maryland Senate hearings on the 'Bath-Room Bill' by the loyal opposition. A pair of VERY angry people "Duped" into transitioning.

Rare, Yes

Misled, misguided, or otherwise told "It is a 'Cure' for your ills" Yes

Showcased, Yes  :(

.          (Pile Driver)  
                    |
                    |
                    ^
(ROCK) ---> ME <--- (HARD PLACE)
  •  

AnneK

QuoteHow often does it happen that someone detransitions after having undergone GRS ?
What are options for these people after they make that decision ?

I recently watched a documentary about some trans in Canada.  One was M-F who reverted after a severe illness.  I have no idea what the illness was though.
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
  •  

aaajjj55

The best known case in the UK was Charles Kane, previously Samantha Kane, previously Sam Hashimi who underwent a full surgical MtF transition followed by a full surgical FtM detransition.  The following article gives more detail (it is from a few years ago so the language used is rather sensationalist but the Daily Mail tends to be quite trans-friendly nowadays):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1327554/Charles-Kane-sex-change--hated-Samantha-man-Now-hes-getting-married-So-fiancee-crazy.html

I also have a feeling that one or two of Russell Reid's (discredited UK gender specialist) patients may have detransitioned too but couldn't find any corroborative evidence of this.  Certainly, a number of his patients lodged complaints that they had been put on the path to transition too easily.


  •  

AnneK

There have also been some who were given SRS as infants, due to being born intersex or, in one case, having their penis destroyed during circumcision.  However, I don't consider them to be trans as they were never given the opportunity to decide.  It was just imposed on them.  In some cases of intersex, the right choice was made and in others, wrong.  At that stage it's not possible to determine how someone will identify.

Incidentally, the one with the destroyed penis tried to revert back to male and even got married, but eventually committed suicide.  SRS is not something to be taken lightly.
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
  •  

jentay1367

  •