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Jews and Muslims defend trans rights

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/03/03/jews-and-muslims-defend-trans-rights/

Pink News/By Nick Duffy 3rd March 2017, 3:46 PM

"A number of US Jewish and Muslim faith leaders have joined a legal brief defending anti-discrimination protections for transgender kids.
The Supreme Court is set to hear the case of Virginian trans teen Gavin Grimm, whose school ordered him to use a toilet that correspond with his "biological gender". "
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SophieD

I don't know how SCOTUS will rule on the legal issue, but the outpouring of support for Mr. Grimm's case from so many quarters is heartening.  Attitudes are certainly changing for the good.
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KathyLauren

But now this:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/03/06/supreme-court-halts-key-transgender-case-after-trump-anti-trans-policy-change/
Pink News, by Nick Duffy, March 6th, 2016

Supreme Court halts key transgender case after Trump anti-trans policy

"The Supreme Court will not go ahead with a planned hearing on transgender rights, in light of the Trump administration's removal of key protections.

The highest court in the US had been set to hear the case of Virginian trans teen Gavin Grimm, whose school ordered him to use a toilet that correspond with his "biological gender"."
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Devlyn

Quote from: KathyLauren on March 06, 2017, 09:56:15 AM
But now this:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/03/06/supreme-court-halts-key-transgender-case-after-trump-anti-trans-policy-change/
Pink News, by Nick Duffy, March 6th, 2016

Supreme Court halts key transgender case after Trump anti-trans policy

"The Supreme Court will not go ahead with a planned hearing on transgender rights, in light of the Trump administration's removal of key protections.

The highest court in the US had been set to hear the case of Virginian trans teen Gavin Grimm, whose school ordered him to use a toilet that correspond with his "biological gender"."


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it being sent back to the Court that supported Gavin?

Hugs, Devlyn
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 06, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it being sent back to the Court that supported Gavin?

Hugs, Devlyn
You are probably right on that.  I haven't been following the case closely enough to remember which court ruled which way.

[update] On second thought, no it is bad news.  This from the NY Times:
" Supreme Court vacated an appeal's court decision in favor of a transgender boy, Gavin Grimm, and sent the case back for further consideration"

Supreme Court Won't Hear Major Case on Transgender Rights
By ADAM LIPTAK, MARCH 6, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/us/politics/supreme-court-transgender-rights-case.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

So the lower court ruling in favour of Gavin does not stand, and that court is being told to reconsider.
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Devlyn

Right, that's what I found too. The State originally sided with him and it was the school board who appealed the case to the Supreme Court. I think it's more important for him to win his case than which courtroom it happens in. His lawyers seem confident they'll win again at the state level.

Hugs, Devlyn
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ainsley

Yes, I read that the lower court ruling was based on the colleague letter that Pres. Obama issued, and since it was rescinded, and another letter issued by Pres. Trump, then the lower court has to rule on it with that in mind, then it will be heard by the SCOTUS.

Basically:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/breaking-supreme-court-sends-transgender-bathroom-case-back-due-to-trump-administration-policy/

The case had made its way up to the high court during a time when it was the policy of the Departments of Justice and Education that public schools must allow students to use spaces such as bathrooms and locker rooms according to their own gender identity. Now that the Trump administration has officially rescinded that policy, the Supreme Court has decided to send the case down to a lower for further review.

The Court's order list, published Monday morning, says:
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"The judgment is vacated, and the case is remanded to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit for further consideration in light of the guidance document issued by the Department of Education and Department of Justice on February 22, 2017."

This does not mean that Grimm's case is necessarily in trouble. The Supreme Court likely feels that because the Fourth Circuit made their decision in a legal landscape where the federal government instructed schools to act a certain way towards transgender students, and now that landscape has changed, the Court of Appeals should take another look before the case goes before the high court.
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itsApril

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 06, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it being sent back to the Court that supported Gavin?

Hugs, Devlyn

Yes, that's true enough.  But that's not going to help.  The Fourth Circuit ruled in favor of Gavin, and is now being directed to consider the case again.  The problem is that the LAW of the case is now different.

In the first case at Fourth Circuit, here's why Gavin won:  A federal statute, Title IX, prohibits discrimination in education on the basis of sex.  Title IX was passed many years ago and doesn't contain any explicit language on gender identity.  However, the Department of Education (under the Obama administration) had issued guidance and regulations clarifying that transgender students were protected because (in the Department's judgment) discrimination on the basis of gender identity constituted discrimination based on sex, and was therefore prohibited.

It is well-settled federal law that guidance issued by a federal department interpreting a law under its purview is entitled to "deference," i.e. a legal presumption that the department's interpretation is the correct one and should be accepted by the courts.  So the National Labor Relations Board is entitled to deference in its interpretation of labor laws, the Department of Treasury is entitled to deference with regard to banking statutes, etc.

When Gavin's case came before the Fourth Circuit, the judges had to determine whether Title IX protected him from discrimination in regards to access to restrooms and locker rooms.  To decide this issue, the judges looked to the then-existing DOE guidance, "deferred" to DOE's interpretation that Title IX's prohibition of sex discrimination included a prohibition of discrimination on the basis of gender identity, and therefore ruled that Gavin was protected by Title IX.

That has now changed, which is why the Supreme Court remanded the case to be considered anew.

Here's what changed.  Obama's Secretary of Education is gone.  Trump appointed Betsy DeVos, an ultra-conservative, as Secretary of Education.  DeVos rescinded the Obama administration DOE guidance that the Fourth Circuit had relied on in Gavin's case.  There is now no authoritative guidance from DOE holding that discrimination on the basis of gender identity is prohibited.

Now, the Fourth Circuit has to decide the case again, WITHOUT the DOE guidance they previously relied on.  In short, the decision by Trump and DeVos cut the legal legs out from under the Fourth Circuit's previous ruling.

We don't know what the decision will be on remand.  But the new DOE policy under the Trump administration has deprived Gavin of his strongest legal argument.

This is a very unfavorable development, and it is directly the result of the changeover from the Obama administration to the Trump administration and the appointment of Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education.
-April
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Devlyn

April, thanks for such a thorough reply.

Hugs, Devlyn
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SophieD

It seems though that a 4th Circuit decision concluding that Title IX does encompass trans* folks under its protections would in fact provide a more fundamental basis for trans* protections as opposed to a finding simply affirming DOE's authority to interpret Title IX.  Right?  If so, one can hope...
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itsApril

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Quote from: SophieD on March 06, 2017, 07:53:17 PM
It seems though that a 4th Circuit decision concluding that Title IX does encompass trans* folks under its protections would in fact provide a more fundamental basis for trans* protections as opposed to a finding simply affirming DOE's authority to interpret Title IX.  Right?  If so, one can hope...

Exactly!  You put your finger right on it, SophieD!

On remand, the Fourth Circuit may once again rule in Gavin's favor.  This would be an enormous victory if it occurs, because to rule in Gavin's favor, the Court would have to find that the term "sex" in Title IX includes gender identity as a prohibited basis for discrimination, even though the text of the law says nothing about gender identity explicitly.  This could open the door to other federal court rulings along the same lines in other areas of federal law, such as housing and employment.  This ruling would be even better than the first ruling on Gavin's case, because the Court would be holding that the prohibition against anti-trans discrimination comes directly from Title IX.  It would mean that trans protection under Title IX is independent of DOE's policy guidance, which may be favorable under one federal administration but reversed under the next.

That won't be the end of it, of course.  A second favorable ruling at the Fourth Circuit would likely be appealed to the Supreme Court.  Would the Supremes affirm the ruling or reverse it?

I think with the current makeup of the eight-member Supreme Court (there's one vacant position) there would be a fair chance of victory.  However, Donald Trump has nominated Judge Neil Gorsuch to fill the vacancy for the ninth position on the Court.  Gorsuch is an extremely conservative judge who is very solicitous of the interests of the religious right.  (Example: his opinion in the Hobby Lobby v. Sebelius case, which allowed fundamentalist business owners to strip contraception coverage out of health insurance provided to the company's female employees.)  If Gorsuch's nomination to the Court is confirmed by the Senate, then the chances for Gavin's case begin to darken.

Also, the Fourth Circuit may rule against Gavin this time.  Judges don't usually like to go way out on a limb and create new law.  If they just focus on the issue of the DOE guidance they relied on to support their previous ruling, they could decide that the rationale for their earlier decision no longer applies.  In that case, we go down to defeat.

Keep your fingers crossed.  We could still win or lose, and it's likely to take many months to sort itself out.

Gavin Grimm is a very courageous guy, and he's done everything in his power to establish important rights for us.  I just hope America doesn't fail him.  And us.
-April
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Jerri

I feel that I would like to see these issues addressed as a national civil rights issues rather pushed out to state courts
I believe that may bring them to closure so we do not have to keep fighting for the same ground. I am currently in the northwest and have very good support here, I would like us all have recognition as us. this weekend I had to accept that the group I referred to as the others also have the right to have their own opinions and beliefs rather I wanted to agree with them or not. also they are just that their opinions and beliefs not mine nor do I want them, but I do not think that they should not be allowed them and I do not think that they should have fear to relieve themselves because I feel different. It is sad that we have to involve the courts and legal systems at all to treat each other as the gifts from the heavens that we are regardless of where we hail from or in what form. I have lived through many changes from the sixties as a very different kid until today and yes we have evolved sometimes forward and sometimes not. I still hear so many have fear of rape and molestation if we go pee together however no one out side of my family has ever molested me and it certainly was not in a public restroom. I will engage in prayer for wisdom and vision to those whom may be hearing cases coming forward again to do the best they can to help people understand who we are and why it is important to impose hate, danger, and discrimination against us

just another of my rants
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