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Men shopping in ladies department

Started by Josefa, April 15, 2016, 12:45:08 AM

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Megan.

I too went from a mental list of excuses and shear terror, to just last week confirming a lovely ladies jumper was for me when the store assistant casually asked. The fear seems so real at the start, but now I look back and find it hard to believe why I was ever afraid.
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KathyLauren

I went to a large department store to look for wigs.  Turns out I was misinformed - they didn't have any.  So, with an hour to kill, I looked at shoes instead.

I decided I was practicing to go full-time (even though I was in boy mode at the time), so no BS.  I told the sales lady that I was looking for women's shoes, and that they were for myself.  She didn't bat an eye.  She was very helpful, finding the only pair of anything in the back room that had a chance of being in my size.  Lordy, they fit!  But definitely not the style I was looking for.

It was a very successful interaction.  I found out my size in women's shoes, and I was able to be straight-up and honest with the sales person, who, in turn was totally helpful.  High fives all around.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Kevinwg

I will have to go a bigger center and get out of this town. I run into to many people I know and know my wife for the time being.
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barbie

Just do it.
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barbie

Quote from: meganjames2 on October 02, 2016, 05:44:09 PM
I too went from a mental list of excuses and shear terror, to just last week confirming a lovely ladies jumper was for me when the store assistant casually asked. The fear seems so real at the start, but now I look back and find it hard to believe why I was ever afraid.

Yes. People tend to be afraid of anything unknown by instinct. Experience and knowledge will take the fear away. Honesty is a valuable measure.

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sarah1972

It does get easier over time. I do remember on some of my earlier shopping trips, I waited to make sure the department is as empty as possible before going in and I pretty much grabbed a few things and run to the checkout. More recently I took to heart what has been said here: They are only interested in a sale and I am getting a whole lot better about trying the things I buy before walking out of the store which has cut down on the number of non-fitting outfits.

Still got some odd looks at my nicely painted toenails while shoe shopping at Nordstrom Rack last week... but they had so cute shoes. Speaking off: They had women shoes up to size 13 and a really nice selection in my size 11.

I am Sarah and I am a shoe addict  ;D

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Anne Blake

I will throw just a minor twist on this conversation. Yes, I do clearly remember the scary fear mixed so well with excitement shopping in drab mode, especially the first few times. And I still am a bit uncomfortable shopping in that mode. The same fears/excitement went into the first few times shopping in Anne mode, actually the first time was terrifying but that is another story! After that first time or two, wow!, I was an addict. Yes Sarah, I can relate, but for me it is tops and skirts at Maurice's or Christopher Banks. Everyone out there knows what they can or can't do, but if you are willing for a bit of discomfort, find a girlfriend and take the plunge. The only thing that you have to lose is the need for more closet space and an overworked budget. Yes, this is a gross overstatement but you have to give an old lady on hormones a little slack. Go out and enjoy this magic life that we are being allowed to live in.

Anne
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KathyLauren

My wife and I were in town today, so we checked out several second-hand clothing stores.   I am getting used to taking a skirt into a fitting room while in boy mode, but I had a new experience today.

In one store, there was only a single fitting room.  Another customer had taken some merchandise into it, apparently intending to try it on.  But then, instead of doing so, she continued to browse the racks, effectively hogging the fitting room.  I wanted to try on a couple of skirts, so I asked her if she was still using the fitting room.  She said she was, but that I could go ahead and use it in the meantime.  Which I did.

We tend to worry so much, for no reason.  Here I was, presenting male, in a women's clothing store, with a couple of skirts over my arm, intending to try them on, interacting with a female customer.  I just acted as though this was the most normal thing in the world, and nobody gave a rat's ***.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Devlyn

Quote from: sarah1972 on October 03, 2016, 11:37:48 AM
It does get easier over time. I do remember on some of my earlier shopping trips, I waited to make sure the department is as empty as possible before going in and I pretty much grabbed a few things and run to the checkout. More recently I took to heart what has been said here: They are only interested in a sale and I am getting a whole lot better about trying the things I buy before walking out of the store which has cut down on the number of non-fitting outfits.

Still got some odd looks at my nicely painted toenails while shoe shopping at Nordstrom Rack last week... but they had so cute shoes. Speaking off: They had women shoes up to size 13 and a really nice selection in my size 11.

I am Sarah and I am a shoe addict  ;D

<All in unison> Hi Sarah!  :laugh:
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Steph Eigen

KathyLauren makes a key point. 

The key to all this is to finally develop the frame of mind that what you are doing  is unremarkable, entirely normal, nothing out of the ordinary.  If you shop with this sensibility about you, salespeople and other customers will treat you, for the most part, like a welcome customer and do so with respect and dignity.  If you go into the store with the demeanor of a criminal on the lam, you will attract unwanted attention and appear as though you are actually out of place or even potentially an odd ball or up to no good.

The big box stores are low stress as nobody is really paying attention or really cares as long as you are not stealing, harassing other customers or planning an antisocial act such as arson.  Don't try to pull off one of the typical facade acts such as "I am buying this for my wife" or the shopping list strategy, "I'm looking for this mascara [brand and type/color written on the written on the list], can you help me?"  The stress signals will be evident in your behavior and voice, you will look like a fool, you will not get away with it.  If, on the other hand, you muster the courage and go into the encounter as yourself buying for yourself, paradoxically your stress levels will be much lower since you are not presenting a deception hoping to have it be believable, which it will almost certainly will not be.

As has been said many times, nearly every store and employed salesperson in the current mainstream retail world exists to serve customers and sell merchandise for the purpose of remaining in business and generating revenue and ultimately profit.  Salespeople want to make...   sales, not harass you.  Save for a rare loony fringe individual that slipped past the HR sanity scrutiny, an employee who will be promptly fired if creates a hostile atmosphere for you or insults you, you  have nothing to fear from the sales staff.

I recently went into a major upscale mall department store to buy a short satin chemise nightgown.  Size XXL for me dressed in guy mode.  I was in the store on a weekday at the end of the workday on my way home and the store was pretty busy with lots of shoppers.  I strode directly into the women's department to the intimates section and shopped.  This was a first for me and I had a slight bit of anxiety about it but was overall pretty comfortable with the idea.  There were several cis women in the immediate area where I was shopping.  Occasional pleasant smiles of acknowledgment were exchanged but no piercing looks or creepy feeling from them.   I shopped for about a half an hour, took my 2 selections to the register to pay, the entire transaction really pleasant and fun.

If you know all your sizes, there are a multitude of opportunities to shop online and in the world's biggest marketplace, Ebay.  With these, there is no need to overcome fear, just turn on you computer and shop with credit card or PayPal account ready to go. 

Still, shopping in physical bricks and mortar stores is fun and the sales people are generally pleasant.  The biggest issue for many of us is the "outing" risk.  Having not come out to my wife, family or friends yet I would have been mortified to run to my next door neighbor in the intimates section at the department store buying a XXL nightgown when she would clearly know it could not have been for my wife who is a size small.  The speculation would start with the incorrect and most damning assumption that it was for another XXL woman, not me.  This would not be how I would like to disclose my life's biggest and only secret.  The world is a pretty small place depending on your work place, social circle and where you live you might be surprised to find that you were not a stealthy as you might have thought.

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rickkie

I'm finding that each time I spend time in a women's section I get just a bit braver. Though mosty this has been in the hair and beauty sections and not the clothing sections.
I did go into an intimates section once and was chased away by my own fear when asked by a staff member if I needed help. I was just um...
Next time I promise myself I will say - well yes actually I am looking for.....
Rickkie
Fulltime since Oct 16
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Veronica J

Quote from: rickkie on October 04, 2016, 01:36:14 AM
I'm finding that each time I spend time in a women's section I get just a bit braver. Though mosty this has been in the hair and beauty sections and not the clothing sections.
I did go into an intimates section once and was chased away by my own fear when asked by a staff member if I needed help. I was just um...
Next time I promise myself I will say - well yes actually I am looking for.....

i go first thing in the morning.. tho lately i shop like i own it..


the first time, "can i help you?" scared the crap out of me.. and i lied.. second time it happened was like...

me: "yeah i looking for a pair of jeans for me?"
she went bright red and was like "the mens... "
and me had to stop her and say, "no i want a pair from here".. we both went a bit red in the face, but after a few seconds of me smiling (shaking in my shoes and all over)and looking she came over and helped and it was a great experience..

with todays economy they would be silly to turn away money.
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Jin

Way back in the day I was on the androgynous side and my Sister and I would go shopping together. We could both crowd into most changing rooms and swap outfits to check what worked. It was great fun and we were never confronted. I guess I never thought anything about it being odd.
Now that I have a more male presentation, I seem to be a magnet for the salesperson's attention. They always  ask if I am shopping for a gift and I usually get a smile when I declare it is for myself. They are often surprised that I know my sizes and are always helpful in selecting styles and colors.
It is always fun to see the reaction when I am shopping with my wife and we select Her's and Her's  matches and have two different sizes!
I yam what I yam, and that's all what I yam.
-- Popeye

A wise person can learn more from fools than a fool can learn from a wise person.
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Kevinwg

That would be wonderful to get to that point. All tho I have had lots of memories of matching outfits. My older brother  and I have the same birthday and my mom decided to dress us like twins, we are 3 years apart
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rickkie

Quote from: Kevinwg on October 04, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
That would be wonderful to get to that point. All tho I have had lots of memories of matching outfits. My older brother  and I have the same birthday and my mom decided to dress us like twins, we are 3 years apart
That must have been so annoying
Rickkie
Fulltime since Oct 16
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JayceeTG

I am still living FT as a man and I will shop at clothing stores that cater to women once in awhile and I don't really get that many weird looks or perhaps I just don't care anymore. I mean the very first time that I went shopping for myself for female clothes I felt strange and out of place and didn't have a clue about my sizes or what would fit me but then after more frequent shopping trips I started to feel more confident and knowing my sizes and so on and now I feel comfortable shopping for clothes and most times I just go to the rack that has sale items hoping that I can find something in my size that would also look good on me.
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Lily Rose

Quote from: Hikari on April 15, 2016, 01:19:21 AM
men coming in buying pads and tampons even if that isn't always the case.

  isn't this otherwise known as the "mans walk of shame"  :D that dreaded call many husbands and boyfriends have got only to arrive home and told "these aren't what i use!".
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Lyric

This whole ladies department thing is another example of how people needlessly torment themselves for enjoying themselves. The people around you in a store normally don't care what you do. Even if they glance or stare for minute the experience is going to evaporate from their minds five minutes later. It only seems like a big deal because it's a big deal inside your head. If you receive real pleasure from shopping for yourself on the skirts and dresses aisle, by all means, do so. Just go about it like you know what you're doing and don't worry about other people.
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NotSure81

A bit late to this post...

I've been shopping for womens' clothes on and off since I was 18. The first few trips were a pain because I aimlessly wandered around not knowing sizes or anything. I bought a handful of stuff a week ago, at the local walmart without issue. Even went through the normal checkout line. I'm not brave enough to try the fitting rooms yet.

Make yourself look like you belong there, and you usually wont get questioned. I work for an electrical contractor who also does work in Walmart stores and of all the stores I've walked into the employee areas I've only been questioned once. However a uniform with a reflective vest & tools kind of sells it too. Walk through that womens section proudly and get what you like.
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