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Started by SailorMars1994, April 05, 2017, 08:18:06 PM

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SailorMars1994

Hey everyone! I am making this thread as another person here suggested i should. Basically it came down to the sexual nature of turning my mild dysphoria into a thrill. A re-cap, looking back I can see that I had a lot of questions and wonders about my gender as a little kid. And at age 13 , after about 4 years of suppression they came back to which i recall a couple times laying in my own bed wishing I could be a girl. Or being very much up and active and still wishing i could be a girl. Sometimes feeling rather sad that I wasnt born as one! Around this time however I was nowhere close to accepting i was trans, let alone coming out. That and I found out not only were some in my family who i greatly admired for whatever reason transphobic, but also LBG-phobic. This was the same time I was slowly coming out as Bi in my new high school but after those messages i went back into the closet. Including the easier to come to terms with of bisexuality. But, as i went totally in the closet i became oddly enough much more intrested in transition and stuff. I was a super closet case and vowed I would never be like one of ''them''. One night, while wrestling with ideas of trans-ness in bed I got an erection, and decided ''play'' with the images. This became a common thing, and like others here i used a pillow to grind up against for a while. This new amount of ''fun'' last 3 years. I stopped at about age 18 or so, so probably very early 2013. I remember vowing to godi wouldnt transition if things went right with something else and for a few months I had thought it was over. The ''fetish'' was gone. However when it appeared again in the summer of 2013, it came back and without that same sexual compnent. This time it was stirght up dysphoria. Like what I had got pre-2009. Over the  months I worked on ways to deal with my issues. At the time I was going to put off transition until 2019 as it wasnt life and death at that point and in addition to that i needed a better job then the 2 part time jobs at the local bar and McDonalds. Over the course of time however, I had noticed that the dysporia was getting higher so around March/April 2014 I decided to come out to a few close people.

In April, after coming out to a few and to my family DR I was down the road to prep and plan transition. Then, one dark (but sunny) day, April 9th 2014 I was walking home and the thought of ''Would it have gotten like this if i didnt sexualize it'' or something similar had happened. In all honesty that sent me on a week of depression. I bawled, I felt empty and soul-less and gross. After looking up on line about what that could of meant was that ''wonderful'' Dr Ray Blancher and his infamous theory on the matter. In all honesty, it sent on a even bigger spiral down as I felt that i am not true trans and that i am now stuck a man for good due to my teenage sexual spins. Somehow i kinda got over it after seeing this transwoman named Kaylee Johnson admit she did it too and that it is not uncommon.RIP she killed herself 5 months before i saw her first video from what i beelive was due to lack of support. Anyway, her video helped me a bit and the following month I began transition. However, on 2 occassions it has nearly destroyed my transition. It is still hard for me to accept myself as a woman due to the intense sexual feelings i had towards the subject nearly each day for 3 years. It has been atleast 4 or even maybe 5 years now since i did that but it still for what ever reasons holds shame for me. Anyone can help me to get mind off with adivce would be appreciated!

Love-Ashley
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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HappyMoni

Ashley,
   Are you saying you feel bad about transgender feelings because there have been sexual thoughts attached to it?
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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SailorMars1994

Quote from: HappyMoni on April 05, 2017, 08:30:08 PM
Ashley,
   Are you saying you feel bad about transgender feelings because there have been sexual thoughts attached to it?
Moni

Yes, very much so. Even years after the fact. Even with estrogen and a killed sex drive (which, to be frank, i love the reduced libido) the shameful feelings of the past still remain.
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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HappyMoni

Ashley, we are sexual beings (the great majority of us anyway.) Why would you feel bad about sexual thoughts?  Okay, me for example. I thought the fact that I had sexual thoughts tied to my transgender leanings made my feelings invalid for a long time. I had to realize that I was first transgender. It is the basis for what I am. On top of that, I have sexual feelings like everyone else. Is it any surprise that those sexual thoughts are surrounding the 'me' that is the true me? Do you know how I know that those sexual thoughts didn't disqualify me as being trans? I transitioned and realized that the sexual part was just a small part of the desire to be me as Monica. On top of that the meds lowered my drive quite a bit, and I am driven to be female stronger than ever. It isn't about sex it is about identity, Girl! Don't let any 'expert' tell you that you have some fancy named condition that isn't really being trans because you had some sexual thoughts. That doesn't make a lick of sense. Sweetie, you have to stop looking for reasons to invalidate what you know too be true about yourself.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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SailorMars1994

Quote from: HappyMoni on April 05, 2017, 08:57:48 PM
Ashley, we are sexual beings (the great majority of us anyway.) Why would you feel bad about sexual thoughts?  Okay, me for example. I thought the fact that I had sexual thoughts tied to my transgender leanings made my feelings invalid for a long time. I had to realize that I was first transgender. It is the basis for what I am. On top of that, I have sexual feelings like everyone else. Is it any surprise that those sexual thoughts are surrounding the 'me' that is the true me? Do you know how I know that those sexual thoughts didn't disqualify me as being trans? I transitioned and realized that the sexual part was just a small part of the desire to be me as Monica. On top of that the meds lowered my drive quite a bit, and I am driven to be female stronger than ever. It isn't about sex it is about identity, Girl! Don't let any 'expert' tell you that you have some fancy named condition that isn't really being trans because you had some sexual thoughts. That doesn't make a lick of sense. Sweetie, you have to stop looking for reasons to invalidate what you know too be true about yourself.
Moni

Lol, perhaps this is once again one of those ''that inner doubt trying to find ways to invalidate''. I guess the things that brings me shame is that I find actually living as a woman by FAR better then any sexual fanasy i had as a woman. In fact, even with a weakend sex drive i would still give that up if it was between that and womanhood. My biggest insecuirtey last year was that with each day living as a woman, the better i felt and the more i wanted to keep being. But then the past demons came poppin in and added the doubt and shame (which lead to that meltdown i have babbled on about). The thing that got me is the shame of feeling less the deserving to transtion. Yes, i hated being a guy but at the same time i felt horrid. I mean people who KNOW at a young age and transition without any sexual thril in there puberty years vs me, someone who just wanted to be a girl at times when i was young, then got that thrill in their puberty years then at some point came out. That is where the awful shame came into effect.
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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LizK

I agree with Moni...sexual thoughts are just par for the course. I thought about all that stuff as well you know deep down who you are....again you don't need some "expert" to tell you or make you doubt.

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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SailorMars1994

Its kinda freaky (in a good way) how common this is. I mean i thought i was all alone at one point, but others have gone through the same thing!
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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HappyMoni

I kind of laugh when I think of 'finding oneself', but not as  good a 'finding oneself' as another person. Yeah, some folks have a more obvious path than others. Because you are not as totally focused front the start as some other person doesn't mean you are any less trans. I have talked to people who figured out they were trans in their 60's. I have no doubt that they are trans.
Moni
PS I said I had to laugh but I wasn't laughing at you in any way, okay?
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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SailorMars1994

Quote from: HappyMoni on April 05, 2017, 09:22:49 PM
I kind of laugh when I think of 'finding oneself', but not as  good a 'finding oneself' as another person. Yeah, some folks have a more obvious path than others. Because you are not as totally focused front the start as some other person doesn't mean you are any less trans. I have talked to people who figured out they were trans in their 60's. I have no doubt that they are trans.
Moni
PS I said I had to laugh but I wasn't laughing at you in any way, okay?

I knew you werent laughing at me, alls good :)!! And yes, I guess a huge issue for me is I tend to (not only when it comes to gender) compare myself to others and dwell and how much better they are. Maybe its that self esteem part that people say i need to address piece
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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HappyMoni

Pretend to  be confident, tell yourself you are, before you know it...  What's the old saying,"Fake it til you make it!"
Night!
Moni
Hey that's better advice than,"I think I can, I think I can!"  :)
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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SailorMars1994

Night girl! and I used to watch the little engine that could in like 1997/age 3 xD, night <3
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Violets

Whilst my trans feelings were present way before puberty, once puberty hit, I too managed to sexualise them. I also learned that I could get temporary relief from the dysphoria immediately after orgasm, so when the dysphoria was really bad, you can guess what I did.  >:-)

I too was troubled about this for many years because it made me doubt whether I really was trans. Looking back now, I see that it was a coping mechanism for dealing with the dysphoria. Like many others, those doubts went away soon after starting HRT, when the libido crashed causing the sexual aspect of it to disappear. If this was a fetish, you'd expect the trans feelings to disappear along with it, yet they are stronger than ever.


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ImSomething

This self doubt trying to invalidate myself is the single most troublesome part of my life right now. If it weren't for this irrational fear of mine based on sexualizing things, I wouldn't have anything else to fear except negative reactions to my transition. I'm just going to follow this thread and reread as necessary for positive reinforcement. Thanks, gals. Maybe I can move past this soon. :)
xoxo
Renée
Began HRT: 1-5-2018
Involuntary HRT hiatus: 3-7-18 - 3-28-18
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SailorMars1994

Thanks all! I guess the big thing is that also since hrt, but even before that too for a while i had no sexual impulse to be female. I just simply wanted to live the female life. As I said, since living the life fully and enjoying it i suppose that were the guilts came from in an odd way. Even as i said, i pefer actually living female then sexualizing it by far. One more insecuirtie to work on. Thanks y'all <3
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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KathyLauren

From what I can tell reading people's posts, sexualizing the trans feelings when they first arise is a common normal universal experience.  Pretty much everyone (MTF at least) does it.  You get to imagining yourself with a woman's body, and the gonads wake up and say, "Did I hear someone mention a woman's body??"  Boing! 

Then, after a bit of fun, you realize that there's more to it than that.

You are totally normal, hun!
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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SailorMars1994

Thanks girl!, it is nice to hear that! <3
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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RachelH

Quote from: Violets on April 05, 2017, 11:10:02 PM
Whilst my trans feelings were present way before puberty, once puberty hit, I too managed to sexualise them. I also learned that I could get temporary relief from the dysphoria immediately after orgasm, so when the dysphoria was really bad, you can guess what I did.  >:-)

I too was troubled about this for many years because it made me doubt whether I really was trans. Looking back now, I see that it was a coping mechanism for dealing with the dysphoria. Like many others, those doubts went away soon after starting HRT, when the libido crashed causing the sexual aspect of it to disappear. If this was a fetish, you'd expect the trans feelings to disappear along with it, yet they are stronger than ever.

I am not trying to hijack the thread, but OMG you described me to a T here!  While I have not started HRT, I have often wondered myself if this was all it was, one big fetish.  After months of therapy I have come to realize it is not.  I was told was basically after a climax, a feeling of euphoria hits which is caused by the release of the feel good endorphins, similar to what we feel when we dress or present female.  And the result is a temporary lessening of the dysphoria but it is only that, temporary. 

I guess there is some normalcy in all this after all, just not the normal many expect.
Paula
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LizK

The major driving force in male puberty is Testosterone...so keep your sexualisation in perspective. My memories were that just about anything could bring on an erection and depending on where you were would depend on how embarrassed you were and how you dealt with it.

With all that testosterone it makes you naturally horny and just about anything could be sexualised...

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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SailorMars1994

That makes total sense. I guess that really was the only was a confused and scared 15 year bio-male could have done in my shoes!

Thanks girl!
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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LizK

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on April 06, 2017, 06:21:25 PM
That makes total sense. I guess that really was the only was a confused and scared 15 year bio-male could have done in my shoes!

Thanks girl!

Don't be fooled into thinking that somehow you as a horny testosterone driven teenager defines you now.

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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