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Started by fear+loathing, April 17, 2017, 08:01:44 AM

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fear+loathing

Hi everyone I'm new to posting in the forum however i have been a persistent lurker for almost a year now, getting to enjoy peoples journeys ahead of my own and be excited for people i see like myself, this app is so useful and has answered so many questions i didn't even know i had yet lol

Anyways to the point here lol! The main reason for my post is that i would like to know if anyone knows from experience or can tell me if it is possible in the uk to go straight to private and get a speedier service/surgery etc. Im not looking for a shortcut perse just want to be able to take some sort of control and get it done how and when i want it instead of being treated with such a laissez faire attitude. I cant continue like this for much longer and would just like to know anything you can help with.
Lots of love, C xo

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LizK

Dear fear+loathing

Welcome to Susan's. I hope you enjoy your time here.

I am pretty sure we would all like to be in control and I am sure someone will be able to answer that question for you...unfortunately just not me as I am in Australia


So you are able to get the very best from being here there are a couple of links we give to all our new members

Regards

Liz

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Harley Quinn

Yes. Going private in the UK is faster and you skip the gender clinic waiting list. It is a lot more expensive that way according to my friend Kimmy who is out there.
At what point did my life go Looney Tunes? How did it happen? Who's to blame?... Batman, that's who. Batman! It's always been Batman! Ruining my life, spoiling my fun! >:-)
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fear+loathing

Quote from: ElizabethK on April 17, 2017, 08:09:07 AM
Dear fear+loathing

Welcome to Susan's. I hope you enjoy your time here.

I am pretty sure we would all like to be in control and I am sure someone will be able to answer that question for you...unfortunately just not me as I am in Australia


So you are able to get the very best from being here there are a couple of links we give to all our new members

Regards

Liz

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Thank you so much Liz (: it feels so weird being on this end of things lol
Hopefully someone can help xo

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fear+loathing

Thanks for the reply @Harley Quinn . And Omg that is such a relief, its so hard to get any information here and i just don't know where to look at times. I understand its more expensive but i have even been considering the Thailand route as it is within my budget atm. But i just dont know how it works, like can i go and get a consultation and book an appointment for Thailand or wherever i may choose to go without the GIC waiting list and then further waiting on top of that. If you have any more information from Kimmy i would appreciate it so much.
There is little to no trans community where i am and i honestly really appreciate any response :) C xo

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Elis

I went to a private GIC (Transhealth) to get a referral for HRT. Only took me 6 months but depends on how many therapy appointments you're recommended; plus the waiting list for an inital consult was longer at the time. I'm also going private for top surgery and all I had to do was get my private doctor to send a referral letter and for me to sign an informal consent form. I csn also decide to go the NHS route instead if I want as I've finally gotten the date for my first appointment but they like you to start from scratch so I don't think I'll bother going.

If you want HRT you're allowed to have your GP give you prescription while waiting for a GIC appointment. You may want to look at this http://transfigurations.org.uk/trans-friendly-doctors/
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Megan.

Not all GPs will do bridging prescriptions,  but if yours won't like mine,  you could use the GenderGP private service while you queue for your GIC appointments.

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fear+loathing

@elis - yeah the initial waiting times are pretty ridiculous where i am. Im actually in northern ireland which istechnically in the UK so i have seen the NHS route and i have actually had a bit of experience with them. I got referred for my first GIC appointment though i still havent got a date for that so congratulations to you :) and i definitely think it would be worth going so you can see what every option is, so that some day down the line you don't regret not going especially because of the waiting times. I think its worth going to, imo anyway :)
My GP said he isn't comfortable prescribing me a bridging script and so ive just decided to continue taking the combined pill for now as my blood pressure is fine and i have no complaints only praise for what it has done for me so far.
@meganjames2 - unfortunately we do indeed have like minded gps and he has decided not to go down that route i have seen the gender gp service and have contacted doctor webberly recently so im considering that route also. My main concern is my front surgery. I just want that the quickest way possible. Without sounding like a dick the money isnt an issue its just finding the right route and im really struggling with it right now. Thank you all so much, C xo

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Harley Quinn

Quote from: fear+loathing on April 17, 2017, 08:33:46 AM
Thanks for the reply @Harley Quinn . And Omg that is such a relief, its so hard to get any information here and i just don't know where to look at times. I understand its more expensive but i have even been considering the Thailand route as it is within my budget atm. But i just dont know how it works, like can i go and get a consultation and book an appointment for Thailand or wherever i may choose to go without the GIC waiting list and then further waiting on top of that. If you have any more information from Kimmy i would appreciate it so much.
There is little to no trans community where i am and i honestly really appreciate any response :) C xo

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I can e-mail her and ask if she would jump in.
At what point did my life go Looney Tunes? How did it happen? Who's to blame?... Batman, that's who. Batman! It's always been Batman! Ruining my life, spoiling my fun! >:-)
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fear+loathing

That would be awesome if you didnt mind !!:D thank you so much :o

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Kimberley Beauregard

Hey F+L, Harley dropped me a quick line!

Of my TG peers who transitioned in the UK, only a few went down the private route, so what I say is based on a small sample of people's experiences and my own googling and no-one should assume I'm an expert on this. However, most of what I know it seems to match the experiences of some (former) posters here.

I've already seen someone suggest Dr. Webberley, so I'll just hop onto the two main private gender clinics in the UK - Gendercare and Transhealth, both based in London. I hear the doctors' names pop up a fair bit in discussions. Both have a fantastic reputation. The Gendercare doctors also work for Charing Cross GIC, one of the few public gender clinics in this country, making transferral from private to NHS easy. Transhealth tend to be more flexible when it comes to prescribing hormones whereas Gendercare (possibly due to their link with the NHS and thus work on similar guidelines) tend to be a bit more strict and require RLE before hormones, but YMMV and this won't match the experiences of everyone who has attended either of these clinics.

The Gendercare FAQ page doesn't quote a specific waiting time, but I often see three months quoted. This is from your initial contact to your first appointment. It's far, far better than the NHS route which can take from twice to six times as long from getting your referral through your GP, which alone can take a few months, to getting on the waiting list (I currently attend Sheffield who quoted a waiting time of 72 weeks, so yeah).

So to answer your question, if speed is more important than money, then going private is perfectly viable and you can always transfer to an NHS clinic at a later stage in your transition.

I hope this helps. Others can correct me where necessary!
- Kim
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Harley Quinn

At what point did my life go Looney Tunes? How did it happen? Who's to blame?... Batman, that's who. Batman! It's always been Batman! Ruining my life, spoiling my fun! >:-)
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fear+loathing

Thanks kimmy! Yeah that does really help a lot :) based on this I've decided that tomorrow (when i have access to a printer/scanner) that i'm going to sign the consent form for the treatment from Dr Webberly's team and hopefully they can help guide me with my decisions :) i hope i can update you guys some day this week when i know more :) for now thanks for all your help !!
C xo

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davina61

Same experience here, GP said no, 2 year wait for first appointment at GIC. Waiting for reply from Gender GP as just sent forms off. I did have the patience   of a saint and could sit and watch paint dry but the older I get the more I need it NOW . No savings left after wife threw me out for coming out and spent it all on setting myself up in a flat so unless I win the lotto(fat chance) its the NHS for me. My plan is RLE from November but think most of the folks at work have guessed to some extent especially after getting my ears pierced today at lunch time. Good luck with your journey. 
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fear+loathing

2 years is ridiculous to be honest. Its so unfair considering the years of realisation, struggle and pain that all come before we even see a GP for a lot of us.. that isn't taken into consideration which really frustrates me.
I hope things work out for you ! Don't get me wrong the NHS is great and a lot of countries don't even offer this treatment but i just can't go on like this especially if i have the means to be the person i should be.
Thank you and good luck with yours as well !
C xo   

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vicki_sixx

Quote from: fear+loathing on April 20, 2017, 12:38:15 PM
2 years is ridiculous to be honest. Its so unfair considering the years of realisation, struggle and pain that all come before we even see a GP for a lot of us.. that isn't taken into consideration which really frustrates me.
I hope things work out for you ! Don't get me wrong the NHS is great and a lot of countries don't even offer this treatment but i just can't go on like this especially if i have the means to be the person i should be.
I understand the frustration, especially as the system is clogged up by dreamers, but I have no sympathy for anyone who feels so strongly but doesn't go private as I did. Not having a go at your OP as you may not be aware of what I am about to say.


Can't stand the wait
Faced with a 2-4 year wait I booked in with GenderCare which is the private practice of the Dr Lorimer (psych) and Dr Seal (endo) who also work for the NHS at Charing Cross GIC. It costs £220 for a consultation with each doc. My appointments came in within 5 months. Not 24 or 48 but 5. I walked out of my first appointment with Dr Lorimer (who was voted top doc in his field BTW) with a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria which goes on my medical file and allows me onto the NHS pathways (GIC, surgeries, treatments etc). He was also ready to offer me bridging hormones but I was seeing Dr Seal the week after so there wasn't much point. A week later I walked out of Seal's office with a private prescription for 3 months supply of various HRT (which only cost me £15 at the chemist).

Both Lorimer and Seal wrote to my doctor to confirm their diagnosis, treatment, their wish to treat me under a shared care agreement, and recommendation that he continues my treatment (prescriptions & blood tests). Omly 1 in 5 docs don't like prescribing HRT but all but a few will renew an existing prescription - hence the letter is gold if you have that 1 in 5 doc and it also gives you free blood tests so you get to stay safe and monitored. Both Lorimer and Seal have taken me on as a patient(shared care) and with a plan to send Seal my bloods in 2 months and check in with Lorimer in 3 months.


End result
I am now on full HRT treatment and under the care and supervision of the GIC docs until the GIC get round to seeing me. by that point I won't need the GIC for HRT but I'll be on the NHS pathway regardless. In other words you get to have your cake and eat it.


Bargain!
£440 sounds a lot but if it's half as important to you as it appears then it's a steal. It's £44 a month to see Lorimer and £88 to see Seal (assuming you get to see him at about the same time). At this point in the conversation, the common counter-argument is a lack of money but  don't buy that. I am on a very low income and have no one else to rely on yet I made it work.

The people who would moan about not having money to pay for private just didn't want to make sacrifices but were going for nights out and buying clothes, takeaways and treats. They were spending at least £50 per Saturday night. In contrast, as soon as I got my appointment with Lorimer I made immediate cutbacks. I did a month's worth of food shopping for under £20 and essentially lived on bean and toast courtesy of Aldi and I didn't go out.


Yours for just £18 a month!
Now back to your 24 month wait and the despair you felt. If I said you could jump the queue and get on your way for just £18 a month you would bite my arm off yet that is all it works out at to see GenderCare (£440). £18 is barely a Domino's pizza.


Dick Turpin
At this point I will also point out the waste of space that is GenderGP. Dr Webberley isn't a trans-centric psych or endo and is just a GP who is happy to dole out weak HRT to anyone who doesn't have scary blood work. It's also convenient that the bloods are done by her husband so you pay him as well as her. Oh and she charges a fair whack for each prescription, too, including renewal.

Let me remind you that my prescription from Dr Seal was included in the consultation fee, was for proper HRT and not this uber-weak bridging nonsense, cost just £15 at the chemist, and all renewals are free. Oh and all my bloods are free via my GP unlike at GenderGP where you're charged for each test.
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fear+loathing

My OP is genuinely asking for help and to find out what to do and who to see. As i said information is lacking on my end so im unaware of a lot of things including negative reviews of doctors. Perhaps they were in front of me and i only read the good ones.
The simple fact is i've been self medicating for a few months now and i made the decision to find out how i can transition as soon as possible. I just want to know how. Thanks so much for the information i'll contact them now and see what they say :)
C xo

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vicki_sixx

Quote from: Kimberley Beauregard on April 18, 2017, 02:09:11 AM
I've already seen someone suggest Dr. Webberley, so I'll just hop onto the two main private gender clinics in the UK - Gendercare and Transhealth, both based in London. I hear the doctors' names pop up a fair bit in discussions. Both have a fantastic reputation. The Gendercare doctors also work for Charing Cross GIC, one of the few public gender clinics in this country, making transferral from private to NHS easy. Transhealth tend to be more flexible when it comes to prescribing hormones whereas Gendercare (possibly due to their link with the NHS and thus work on similar guidelines) tend to be a bit more strict and require RLE before hormones, but YMMV and this won't match the experiences of everyone who has attended either of these clinics.
There's no RLE required for either GenderCare or TransHealth but with regard to flexibility it's the opposite of what you've said: GC are willing to offer GD diagnosis and HRT after one session - as they did with me - whilst TH tend to want at least 2 or 3 sessions first. It should not be taken for granted that GC will diagnose and prescribe after one session but whilst it's not the norm it does happen - it did with me.
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