Okay I know the title was not very original but really that's what this post is about. Lol.

Anyway getting to the point...

I have been questioning myself for a while now, asking myself "Could I be intersexed in some way", I can't figure it out. I mean I know I want to be and defnitely should've been a girl and that'll never change but I'm wondering if I'm more of a girl then what meets the eye ya know? First off I'll tell you a little about me so you can get kind of a picture of what I relatively look like... I'm 16 years old, I'm about 5' 7" maybe 5' 7" and a half, I wear a size 8 in women's shoes (Size 6 in mens), I have extremely small hands (Picture any teenage girl's hands and you'll get the idea), my forearms are relatively feminine (skinny and again like a teenage girls), my upper arms are kinda big but that's because thier fatty (the bone is small and about the length of a teenage girls arm), my wrists are small (thie less then 7 inches in circumference more like 6.5 inches actually), I have a 34 inch (in circumference) chest which with my breasts it's about 38-39 inches in circumference, my waist is 29 inches in circumference, my hips are 40-41 inches in circumference, my shoulders are small a little broad not too much but still pretty small, my torso is a little longer then my legs, my ankles are very small too only about 9.5 inches in circumference, my pelvis is pretty wide to it also has very similar charcteristics of a female's pelvis in that it looks to be pretty hollowed out and flared at the top, also I've noticed other things about me too like I started growing breasts at puberty (when I got on HRT I had a large A cup), my face was relativly clear except for a little acne which cleared up while during puberty, my chin is still small, when I started taking HRT my voice pitch I'm pretty sure raised, I've also noticed that the body hair and even to an extent the facial hair that I had is getting lighter and starting to become more feminine, not to mention ever since I started HRT I've been having period like symptoms every month at one specific time of the month and this "period" gives me all of the symptoms of PMS.

So that is pretty much all I can say about me, I'm just unsure and I'm really looking for answers especially because when I took a blood test to get on HRT my T serum level was 611 (I'm not sure if I can state that and I apologize if I can't) which really just confuses me considering the physical features I'm displaying and unfortunately I did not get and E serum level count so I would not be able to tell if I had high levels of that or not.

Anyway thanks for listening and I hope you all can help me.

Thanks everyone,
Krista

Firstly, the physical symptoms, by themselves, are not significant or diagnosis of something. I mean, people regularly dismiss my claims to intersex and everything besides my shoe size is smaller than you (I wear women's 9, or men's 7). However, it can help provide a bigger picture, in addition to other, more important things. In itself, wether IS or not, it's also a big help in passing.

A karyotype, of sufficient sample (to find out if it's XX, XY, XXY or something else, or mosaicism, though that's actually hard to find out, though possible).

Blood test levels, estrogen, testosterone total, testosterone free, luteinizing hormones (LH), follicule stimulating hormones (FSH) levels, presented with min-max scales (611 T level doesn't mean anything in itself). All of this pre-HRT of course. The karyotype can be at any time, they're not known to change.

Voice is anecdotal (to go back higher), and especially for your age, you're only 16. So don't bet this on it proving anything.

Anti-androgens are supposed to diminish body and facial hair or at the very least soften it, and since you're still very young, it could even eliminate some (I seriously doubt all, unless you have very very little to start with). But having androgen-type body hair and facial hair at 16 is far from uncommon. Not having any before early 20ies is seen as 'just not the norm, but not in itself a symptom of intersex', though some intersex people do get facial hair young - it all depends on the condition, the individual, past treatments, and what not.

AIS is a possibility, though, being as young as you are, you'll have a hard time convincing a doctor to look into it. AIS is tested by tissue response to testosterone, if you've had trouble masculinizing (tissue response), while having normal or elevated levels of testosterone, FSH and LH, then AIS is a strong possibility.

If not AIS is a pretty slim possibility. From your details, I cannot judge your tissue response, though you'd have to qualify what your facial hair looks like as far as distribution and growth (meaning spread and speed of growth). If you can grow a full beard, your testosterone response is totally normal, maybe even above average.

XXY syndrome is a possibility, mainly because of your hips. Gynecomastia may be incidental, but could be a point in that direction. If your testosterone levels were low previous to HRT, XXY is a strong possibility. XXY syndrome is revealed by karyotype. Mosaicism involving XXY syndrome also exists (such as XY/XXY, XX/XXY, XXY/XXXY) and a more normative (less evident) form could be XY/XXY (its more male-looking). Note that although there is few information, XXY syndrome can affect phenotypical females, who are fertile and do give birth, as seen anecdotally (research olympics testing).

In the end, I propose you do not put too much faith in wanting the diagnosis for validation purposes. I want my own diagnosis to satisfy my ever-thirsty curiosity, and to know how I came to be the way I am (physically-speaking).

Sara

PS: If you want to talk or something, check my profile information for contact info. I can refer to a great deal of information...although I can't refer to docs, endos or other specialists...since I don't know many myself, and none with regards to this.

Quote from: Schala on February 07, 2008, 03:01:31 AM
Firstly, the physical symptoms, by themselves, are not significant or diagnosis of something. I mean, people regularly dismiss my claims to intersex and everything besides my shoe size is smaller than you (I wear women's 9, or men's 7). However, it can help provide a bigger picture, in addition to other, more important things. In itself, wether IS or not, it's also a big help in passing.

A karyotype, of sufficient sample (to find out if it's XX, XY, XXY or something else, or mosaicism, though that's actually hard to find out, though possible).

Blood test levels, estrogen, testosterone total, testosterone free, luteinizing hormones (LH), follicule stimulating hormones (FSH) levels, presented with min-max scales (611 T level doesn't mean anything in itself). All of this pre-HRT of course. The karyotype can be at any time, they're not known to change.

Voice is anecdotal (to go back higher), and especially for your age, you're only 16. So don't bet this on it proving anything.

Anti-androgens are supposed to diminish body and facial hair or at the very least soften it, and since you're still very young, it could even eliminate some (I seriously doubt all, unless you have very very little to start with). But having androgen-type body hair and facial hair at 16 is far from uncommon. Not having any before early 20ies is seen as 'just not the norm, but not in itself a symptom of intersex', though some intersex people do get facial hair young - it all depends on the condition, the individual, past treatments, and what not.

AIS is a possibility, though, being as young as you are, you'll have a hard time convincing a doctor to look into it. AIS is tested by tissue response to testosterone, if you've had trouble masculinizing (tissue response), while having normal or elevated levels of testosterone, FSH and LH, then AIS is a strong possibility.

If not AIS is a pretty slim possibility. From your details, I cannot judge your tissue response, though you'd have to qualify what your facial hair looks like as far as distribution and growth (meaning spread and speed of growth). If you can grow a full beard, your testosterone response is totally normal, maybe even above average.

XXY syndrome is a possibility, mainly because of your hips. Gynecomastia may be incidental, but could be a point in that direction. If your testosterone levels were low previous to HRT, XXY is a strong possibility. XXY syndrome is revealed by karyotype. Mosaicism involving XXY syndrome also exists (such as XY/XXY, XX/XXY, XXY/XXXY) and a more normative (less evident) form could be XY/XXY (its more male-looking). Note that although there is few information, XXY syndrome can affect phenotypical females, who are fertile and do give birth, as seen anecdotally (research olympics testing).

In the end, I propose you do not put too much faith in wanting the diagnosis for validation purposes. I want my own diagnosis to satisfy my ever-thirsty curiosity, and to know how I came to be the way I am (physically-speaking).

Sara

PS: If you want to talk or something, check my profile information for contact info. I can refer to a great deal of information...although I can't refer to docs, endos or other specialists...since I don't know many myself, and none with regards to this.

Hi Schala,

I do know that physical syptoms aren't really a good way to tell if someone is intersexed as really they could jut be lucky enough to have those traits reguardless but what really makes me question that is the period like symptoms that I have been having it really interests me why I would be having something that really I should not be having, not to mention if lets just say for minute I am intersexed and I do have one ovary or possibly two maybe even most of the female internal genital parts... well I would also more then likely have to have eggs and I'm getting periods now, where would the eggs be going when that happened? In a the scope of all of this it actually concerns me if thats what's happening as realistically the eggs wold have nowhere to go. You are right however that it does help in passing even if I'm not intersexed, even before I went on HRT I was being seen as a female and sometimes even when I hadn't shaved in a couple of days, Lol. Also BTW your actually a size large then me in shoes.

I've actually thought about going to get a karyotype test considering my questions and concerns. I've also thought about being tested for AIS or possibly PAIS as it could also be a factor or the only factor.

And actually yeah, the voice thing is anecdotal, I didn't think it was gonna happen but I was very happy when it did.

My facial hair is usually VERY VERY light on my cheeks it never has really grown there very much, my upper lip I get it semi-thick and it used to be dark but while being on HRT it has become less thick and blondish mostly, on my neck it gets thick but in places it's a bit patchey and again it also has gone blonde because of HRT and has gotten lighter. So overall realistically I have facial hair but it's not nearly as thick as most males my age and it can be patchey in places.

Really I just want to know if I have it, I can confess it would be validating to me but finding out just to know whas going on would be something that I want.

Thanks for responding Schala.

It is of many opinions that transexualism is a form of intersexed, it just has not been proven medically.

Mara

QuoteAlso BTW your actually a size large then me in shoes.

I know that, but I'm also 5'6", 32 inch bust 25 inch waist 32 inch hips, skinny all over, small dainty hands, 6 inch wrist circumference, 13 inch neck circumference, almost no body hair, almost no facial hair (less than what you mentioned, I have some on my chin and upper lip, nothing on cheeks, nothing on neck, no sideburns and the growth is slow and has always been, it also started at around 20). Well all that never really threw anyone off, which I find odd. Though I did pass pre-fulltime sometimes, and easily once I went fulltime, that no one pointed stuff to me sounds weird. Also most people pegged me off as gay in my childhood/teens, I never really figured why (since I was asexual).

I'm pretty small for any adult, only my height is above average, and maybe shoe size, though I think size 9 women is becoming the average. My mom, who is by no means big, is bigger than me, except she's shorter (5'2"), same wrist and neck circumference though.

People only say I'm lucky.

As for period symptoms, well I doubt you'd have 2 ovaries, if you virilize to some degree with 2 ovaries, you possibly have CAH (which boosts testosterone), but said condition is almost 100% for someone with an XX karyotype. Having XY and testes AND CAH would make you hypermasculine (think gorilla). You also don't necessarily need ovaries to have periods or period-like pains, though an uterus is more likely in that case (rarely functional though).

Sara

Edit: it didn't throw people off, like my family, but they were not all that surprised that I transitioned either...my aunt said it suited me better since I always looked odd as a boy (physically wise).

and you can call me Sara, that my chosen name - I use Schala but it essentially means the same.

QuoteSchala (サラ, Sara?) is the daughter of Queen Zeal and the older sister of Janus, who became Magus. She was raised in the Kingdom of Zeal in 12000 B.C., when mankind was separated between the Enlightened Ones, who are able to use magic, and the Earthbound Ones, who are not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schala#Schala

Both names also mean princess ironically. So I use both (and have for 5 years now).

Really I don't think a lot of us have fully matured, but that doesn't really mean we're intersexed though really.  You have some rather odd other things though for sure.  Only thing I got out of puberty was a deeper voice and a huge growth spurt that I wish I didn't get   But I mean I don't think the size of your feet or your height have to do with being intersexed, although I know absolutely nothing on the subject so I could be horribly wrong lol

Hi Krista hon, welcome to Susan's. I am not even going to pretend to know enough about being IS to be of much help to you. But there are some of the girls on this board that do know. But I do find it quite an interesting subject. I'm a retired social worker so there have been times where I had to learn about different quirks of the human anatomy well before I learned about TS. Well you have a wonderful day and I hope we connect again a bit later.

Cindy

Quote from: mara on February 07, 2008, 02:34:26 PM
It is of many opinions that transexualism is a form of intersexed, it just has not been proven medically.

Mara

I agree with that, it would definitely make sense.

Quote from: Schala on February 07, 2008, 03:06:39 PM

QuoteAlso BTW your actually a size large then me in shoes.

I know that, but I'm also 5'6", 32 inch bust 25 inch waist 32 inch hips, skinny all over, small dainty hands, 6 inch wrist circumference, 13 inch neck circumference, almost no body hair, almost no facial hair (less than what you mentioned, I have some on my chin and upper lip, nothing on cheeks, nothing on neck, no sideburns and the growth is slow and has always been, it also started at around 20). Well all that never really threw anyone off, which I find odd. Though I did pass pre-fulltime sometimes, and easily once I went fulltime, that no one pointed stuff to me sounds weird. Also most people pegged me off as gay in my childhood/teens, I never really figured why (since I was asexual).

I'm pretty small for any adult, only my height is above average, and maybe shoe size, though I think size 9 women is becoming the average. My mom, who is by no means big, is bigger than me, except she's shorter (5'2"), same wrist and neck circumference though.

People only say I'm lucky.

As for period symptoms, well I doubt you'd have 2 ovaries, if you virilize to some degree with 2 ovaries, you possibly have CAH (which boosts testosterone), but said condition is almost 100% for someone with an XX karyotype. Having XY and testes AND CAH would make you hypermasculine (think gorilla). You also don't necessarily need ovaries to have periods or period-like pains, though an uterus is more likely in that case (rarely functional though).

Sara

Edit: it didn't throw people off, like my family, but they were not all that surprised that I transitioned either...my aunt said it suited me better since I always looked odd as a boy (physically wise).

and you can call me Sara, that my chosen name - I use Schala but it essentially means the same.

QuoteSchala (サラ, Sara?) is the daughter of Queen Zeal and the older sister of Janus, who became Magus. She was raised in the Kingdom of Zeal in 12000 B.C., when mankind was separated between the Enlightened Ones, who are able to use magic, and the Earthbound Ones, who are not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schala#Schala

Both names also mean princess ironically. So I use both (and have for 5 years now).

You know for what you mentioned about yourself, physically, it sounds a lot like what I look like... the only reason my waist and hips are so large are because I'm a little over weight, about 38 pounds actualy, If I lost that weight I'd have probably anywhere from 37-38 inch hips and my waist would more then likely be close to if not dead on 26-25 inches, my neck is also actually 13 inches... exactly, Lol, now the facial and body hair I do have... in never got very coarse or thick thick but it was there... it's now mostly goe though andmy facial hair is starting to go.

Yeah but it helps to have an ovary... not to mention I don't think that the ueterus secretes any type of hormone that would make the substantial changes that I've experienced.

Personally I just want to know if there would be a possiblility of this as I really want to know what might be going on.

Also, sorry about the name thing.

Quote from: shanetastic on February 07, 2008, 03:51:55 PM
Really I don't think a lot of us have fully matured, but that doesn't really mean we're intersexed though really.  You have some rather odd other things though for sure.  Only thing I got out of puberty was a deeper voice and a huge growth spurt that I wish I didn't get   But I mean I don't think the size of your feet or your height have to do with being intersexed, although I know absolutely nothing on the subject so I could be horribly wrong lol

That's true, I was still going through puberty when I started HRT but still there was stuff I noticed that was out of the ordinary before HRT.

Also, I would imagine pretty much evey physical or secondary sexual charcteristic would be effected by an intersexed condition and hands, feet, hips, waist, ect. would exceptionally important. I could be wrong though.

Quote from: cindybc on February 07, 2008, 04:20:09 PM
Hi Krista hon, welcome to Susan's. I am not even going to pretend to know enough about being IS to be of much help to you. But there are some of the girls on this board that do know. But I do find it quite an interesting subject. I'm a retired social worker so there have been times where I had to learn about different quirks of the human anatomy well before I learned about TS. Well you have a wonderful day and I hope we connect again a bit later.

Cindy

Hi Cindy,

Personally the only things I know about intersexed conditions is that they don't happen often and usually the person with the intersexed condition has some type of female or male sexual organ or partial organ other then that though we're in the same boat. Lol.

I do appreciate you commenting on this though as this is something that I would love to figure out and I know other people would like to hlp me figure out as well. So thank you very much.

Hi Krista. Ya it is an interesting subject. I try to keep track of the new stuff that the members come up with,  Never know when it could be useful information one can pass on to another, plus I am a nosy bitch anyway.  I know one of the girls here that would most likely know quite a lot more about IS then I. Last I was sharing with her, she showed the symptoms of being IS as well but I don't really know what the results of the latest tests was. Anyway her name is Natalie, she has the cross bones and scull pirates flag for an Avatar.

Cindy 

QuoteYou know for what you mentioned about yourself, physically, it sounds a lot like what I look like... the only reason my waist and hips are so large are because I'm a little over weight, about 38 pounds actualy, If I lost that weight I'd have probably anywhere from 37-38 inch hips and my waist would more then likely be close to if not dead on 26-25 inches, my neck is also actually 13 inches... exactly, Lol, now the facial and body hair I do have... in never got very coarse or thick thick but it was there... it's now mostly goe though andmy facial hair is starting to go.

Yeah but it helps to have an ovary... not to mention I don't think that the ueterus secretes any type of hormone that would make the substantial changes that I've experienced.

Personally I just want to know if there would be a possiblility of this as I really want to know what might be going on. Wink

Also, sorry about the name thing.

Well, my hips are tiny for my frame, wether boy or girl. I'm too skinny, I wish I'd gain a bit of weight.

My mother is about 34 inch bust, 28 inch waist and 37 inch hips and 5'2", she's far from fat though. She's just not skinny the same way I am. And four pregnancies must have played a number on her.

I haven't been able to do anything about facial hair, like electrolysis, due to being short on cash. It's not all that thick, but its still annoying.

As far as I know I have two testes, both functional, and look the way I do anyway (which suggests a lower-than-normal response to it, substantially when compared to three younger brothers).

19.1 nmol/L on a 10-30 nmol/L scale (male range) testosterone total, pre-HRT. I started hormones at 23 years 9 months old.

For an example of what I looked at when 16:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara1998.jpg

I wish I had a better shot than this. It's my only pic when I was 16, that I have online...there might be others elsewhere I guess. I didn't take pics of myself before I was 24.

and right before HRT at 23 years, 7 months old:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara.jpg

I really was unsure about my image back then (and had very few clothes).

As for the name, don't worry, it's fine.

Hi dearest Schala

Give the hormones time to do their job Schala hon, and I'll guarantee you you will get some good results. The hormones change a lot of stuff both inside as well as on the outside. You come out the other end you won't even recognise what you were before. It did me and I'm an old bat. I love all the changes I have gone through. Did you know I learned how to love again. Most of my feeling were pretty well dead when I sobered up twenty one years ago. I was to frightened, back then to even trust another person.

It was the hormones and Wing Walker who showed me how to trust and love. Love is a very intense feeling. Did you try the protein drink? the powder type.

Have yourself a wonderful day.

Cindy 

For instance, the Intersex Society of North America (ISNA) definition states that the following conditions "sometimes involve intersex anatomy":[20]

    * 5-alpha reductase deficiency
    * androgen insensitivity syndrome
    * aphallia
    * clitoromegaly
    * congenital adrenal hyperplasia
    * gonadal dysgenesis (partial & complete)
    * hypospadias
    * Klinefelter syndrome
    * micropenis
    * mosaicism involving sex chromosomes
    * MRKH (mullerian agenesis; vaginal agenesis; congenital absence of vagina)
    * ovo-testes (formerly called "true hermaphroditism")
    * partial androgen insensitivity syndrome
    * progestin induced virilization
    * Swyer syndrome
    * Turner syndrome

Some people with some of these conditions (such as Kallmann syndrome and Turner syndrome) do not self-identify as intersex.[citation needed] See also 17-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency.

Posted on: February 08, 2008, 08:20:50 AM

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If you got the money and time go get tested for these syndrones.

Mara

Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.

All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.

But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...

Kiera,

Just a feeling I get, probally not true, but when I was younger I wanted so hard to not develop into a man, and wanted to keep my feminie features.  I feel like at 20 years I have in many ways fought off changes mentally.

LOL.

Quote from: Keira on February 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM

Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.

All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.

But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...

I'm going with weird shaped male!

You and I are almost identical in measurements Keira haha.  Except my breasts are nonexistent and I weight a little less unfortunately.  Weird shaped male for sure!  Genetics hate me!

Quote from: Keira on February 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM

Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.

All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.

But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...

The only way to know is to test it. There are many XXY syndrome males and females who look nothing special as far as their birth phenotype. Some are fertile too.

Your hands are like mine, long slim fingers and the look and texture is 'dainty', like definitely not carpenter's hands.

I have smaller breasts, which I would hope would hurry up and grow! and yeah I should take that natural powder drink.

This is a pretty small frame for someone six feet, of either gender (my frame is similarly small for my height). My best explanation is that "I'm too tall for my weight". I'm 5'6" and 110 lbs.

QuoteThis is a pretty small frame for someone six feet, of either gender (my frame is similarly small for my height). My best explanation is that "I'm too tall for my weight". I'm 5'6" and 110 lbs.

I know!  Now if only we could shrink a little to make our bodies look more proportioned   I've been trying to gain weight and it just sucks, like. . . it doesn't happen.  I can eat the world and still look like a stick, which bothers me!  Never going to get curves when you weigh 135 and are 6' tall!! grrrrrr.

The odd problems in life, eh Schala?

Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs

Krista,
    One thing I have found with some, not all mind you, but some TS' is the wish or hope they are more than TS and they try to find things to prove they are IS. Some may very well be, while others probably not. I am IS. I did not seek to be. I thought I was TS. But a lot of things did not add up for me. Firstly, as I read posts after posts written by TS' here I noticed the things they were feeling and writing about I wasn't experiencing even remotely. The more I read the more I still felt different but didn't know why. Secondly, the physical side of it. I am what some girls jokingly call IS to the extreme. I have a partial opening behind my sack area (partial in that it only goes so deep but is closed on the inside so nothing goes right inside me. I can get most of a normal size vibrator inside but not all the way and it is sensitive inside the area I can use. I have a clitoral area on my shaft just above that area. When my wife is intimate in this area (both the 'vagina' and 'clitoris' or just one or the other) I explode like I never exploded before when using the penis. I actually have 2 types of orgasm - I can feel one inside (and a little does flow to my head to discharge) and the one I should have for my birth gender. The inside one (female type orgasm is the one that most satisfies me). When my wife and I felt I was TS I started my transition with her blessing. All of a sudden my breasts developed and my voice pitched. But most of all this cramping I always got before seemed to be worse. It was the cramps we booked an appointment with my MD for since we didn't yet understand me. He commented about my breast devlopment and voice. He thought about it and sent me for a saliva test, blood work, x-rays and an MRI. The tests came back and blew our minds to say the least. Please don't ask me to quote all the medical jargon they and a lot of sites on ISism and some people here refer to because that would be like asking me to talk a foreign language. What I can tell you is the main points he emphasized - high estrogen, nil androgen ( and yes even he felt my kids are lil miracles in that I don't really have enough androgen- and yes they are mine (God does wonders)), I actually have a healthy uterus, one testi and one ovary, meaning my cramps are a true period ( I have other symptoms too with the cramps),lactose organs etc. As a matter of fact he told us if my vagina devloped properly (opened all the way inside instead of just part way) I would have a 78% chance of successful child rearing. My chances are this low due to the little bit of male parts I was given. As I stated, this was not something I asked for, I was settling into transition as a TS. But now at least all my mysteries about my body and mind over the years are answered and I am happier with it.
   In my opinion, until you get your medical testing done sometime then I wouldn't dwell overly much on it. Just focus on your self and your transition until the day comes to be tested. I was lucky my MD did the tests as I live in a part of Canada where minds are conservative-you are either male or female and no in between. Anything in between is a freak and deserves what he or she gets (beat up, humiliated etc). Good luck.
                                        Kim   

Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs

True, I guess I could always be skinnier