Go Hillary you can't mess up anymore than Bush did.  Discuss

True, but that doesn't mean it will get better either. Right now it's all talk and not proof she can and will do anything. And she has a record she often hedges her talks about which many people find troublesome. While it's the nature of politics and Congress, she hasn't full explained a number of decisions. And she knows how to play politics, which means promises are only that, and not absolute assurances she believes what she says and will support it. It's not about flip-flopping, that's normal, but you still have to have set of values to start with. I haven't seen or heard hers yet.

With the government running health care just wait to the problems trying to transition. Clinton was the one who signed the trade agreements that sent so many jobs overseas.

Quote from: lisagurl on February 10, 2008, 10:04:18 AM
With the government running health care just wait to the problems trying to transition. Clinton was the one who signed the trade agreements that sent so many jobs overseas.

Well, that was Bill, but you bring up a good point. Personally, I would NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton, not in a million years.

I don't trust her. Not that that has much bearing on the matter, since I'm not even in the US, but yeah. I think she'd be as bad or worse than Maggie Thatcher. For what it's worth, it seems like much of the outside world (Amongst the people I know, anyway) is hoping you guys vote for Barak Obama.

IMHO Hillary is NUTS...  shes far too agressive and just so many other things Id not vote for her in the current state of the country...  She has some good ideas, but Im actualy afffraid of how she will impliment them...  Its Obama all the way...  And if it came down to McCain and Hillary......  Id vote for the other guy whoever that may be.

She lost every state that voted yesterday.  Some by pretty whopping margins.  Its looking like no one will have enough for a flat out victory, so it will be tossed into the smoke-free rooms of the 'superdelegates.'

Obama seems to inspire people, but as Plato taught us in Gorgias, rhetoric is not truth.  Its not like any of these people are not mainstream, wall street corporate types.

It all boils down to who you like.  No one actually concerns themselves with the details of real issues. Read the above responses to see exactly what I mean.  When it comes to this "polarizing" issue about Hillary..... I am truly saddened.  For it was the Republicans that built this myth in the early 90's, this blitzkrieg of negative attention for which they are so adept.  How many people still think that Kerry was not a hero in Viet Nam due to the swift boat ads?  As an independent or Democrat, are you so naive as to fall into that well devised trap? Why is it so easy to deceive the American public? Because it is so easy to hate... that's why.  All you need do is direct it and those in the conservative religious movement are excellent orchestrators.

Both candidates advocate health insurance provided by privately held corporations. Under their plans the government will NOT be running health care. I actually favor a single payer system provided by the government.  "Oh," you say, "that will never work".  Do you actually believe the Republican PR campaign they've been feeding you all these years?  Medicare runs with a 6% overhead and VA runs with a 2% overhead.  Private insurance companies run at 33% overhead with hundreds of millions going to the top executives.  You tell me... where is the money going?  Healthier citizens?  Nope.  It's going into someones pocket as profit.... and not even taxed under the Bush tax cuts.   

I'm reminded of that line in the movie "Paint Your Wagon".  A Morman man came riding into the gold mining town with his two wives.  The sex starved miners demanded that he auction off one of his wives to the highest bidder. The miners felt it wasn't fair for him to have two wives and every one else had none.  The most attractive woman agreed.  The husband, mulled the thought of a financial stimulus package around in his head and asked her "Why Sarah, you don't know what you'll get!"  She responded with "Well, I know what I've had."

I'm not rooting for change just for change sake.  But I am saying that what we have is completely broken and it does not work.  Both candidates support propping up this current system.  However, some regulation is in order under their plans which I do agree is the next best step.  Both will require companies to provide plans which will insure every one even if they have serious pre-existing conditions.

The biggest difference between the two is that Clinton will mandate that everyone carry insurance. Under Obama's plan, people will be able to choose whether they will purchase insurance or not. 

I've had a very difficult time deciding between Obama and Hillary.  Obama is a natural leader.  He is inspiring and a great orator.  Hillary has a lifetime of public service.  Both are members of great minority ranks.  Last night in Obama's speech he started talking about issues for which I am passionate. He openly advocated equal rights for ALL people. He proposed help for college students in trade for their commitment to provide public service like time in the Peace Corp or serving as aids in nursing homes.  It was at that moment he won me over.  Now.... if he can get on board with rebuilding our infrastructure instead of giving wealth through tax cuts.... I'll be devoted.

Cindi

On a side note...  Id like to see Obama win the primarys... but just to stick it to the republicans Id like to see clinton as the vice prez running with Obama....  That would be devistating to the GOP heheheh   >

HC will NEVER take the VP slot, she's been there already I think.

Re: A Woman President?

Not if it's Ms. Clinton.

Quote from: LynnER on February 10, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
On a side note...  Id like to see Obama win the primarys... but just to stick it to the republicans Id like to see clinton as the vice prez running with Obama....  That would be devistating to the GOP heheheh   >

I would be greatly surprised if Obama wins the nomination and he picks Hillary the VP. To offset McCain the VP has to be a southerner, eg. Edwards or somesuch person, or a westerner, eg. Richardson or somesuch person. Adding Hillary to the ticket would still polarize the voters and help the GOP. The Democrats won't want to alienate the white male voters and much of their own party. McCain can afford to alienate the religous and conservatives, most won't leave the party for Obama, and his record attracts a lot of white males, so the Dems better have a ticket to keep or attract the middle and independents. And that doesn't include Hillary.

QuoteVP has to be a southerner, eg. Edwards or some such person

Obama, Edwards would be strong, except it is rare for a candidate to pick someone he competed against.

I haven't really paid attention like I should. I liked Bill Clinton, I was making a good wage and jobs were available. I know I will not vote republican whoever they run. I should be more aware of politics with trans/gay/lesbian issues which is why I vote Democrat. As far as politicians I reeally don't trust any. I just hope they will do the right thing.

Quote from: Kimberly Kilpatrick on February 10, 2008, 08:20:04 PM
I haven't really paid attention like I should. I liked Bill Clinton, I was making a good wage and jobs were available. I know I will not vote republican whoever they run. I should be more aware of politics with trans/gay/lesbian issues which is why I vote Democrat. As far as politicians I reeally don't trust any. I just hope they will do the right thing.

I do not see reason or logic.

I just wanted to see what people thought about HC.  I want to see a woman President. I probably won't get to see her. But i want this country to wake up to the rest of the nations and treat women more than second class citizens. As far as my last  post. At least she would have input from some experience. I liked Bill Clinton.

Kimberly, it looks like we are in the minority here. i liked Bill, also. my wife, sister, and grandma would all love to see Hillary win. imo, i think she would do quite well. her best statement to date: it took a clinton to clean up after the last bush, it'll take another clinton to clean up after the second. if i could vote, she'd have mine.


Mickie

There is a reason why the president is limited to 2 terms. Dynasties do not play well in a federal republic democracy.The second is never as good as the first. Out of the thousands that are qualified to lead this country why is it only those in the media eye that are the best. The media has made and destroyed images that all have false fronts. The media makes its living from shock and awe.

I personally think Hillary would be as good as many of the other candidates and I think it's it's time for this nation to shed it's macho front of only men Presidents. I was once republican in my view points but when i realized they do not like Transgendered people I was not going to back them at all. Not to mention I am against this war on terror. I have lived in fear of society and government now facing issues of my ->-bleeped-<- I find I will back the party that is more likely to be sympathetic of things that effect me . I know they haven't always but it is more the republicans will ever do. And that's why I want Hillary. Right or wrong it is my belief. I respect all opinions and I wished Bill would have ran again it doesn't say once you have ran 2 terms that after  another does his term you can't run again.

Amendment 22 - Presidential Term Limits. Ratified 2/27/1951.

1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.