Quote from: Aurorasky on June 11, 2017, 12:56:51 PM
Actually, the condition she claims to have is impossible and has never been docummented. A uterus that bleeds with no ovaries but still needs SRS is not possible. Besides, anyone with a partially formed uterus is very unlikely to be raised as male. I can't believe there's actually people here defending these kind of claims. Intersex people already have enough of their own, while it may be a similar battle somehow, it's still different and desserves its own place. The fact that there's people who think appropriating these conditions will make themselves "more valid" is an insult not only to trans but also to intersex people. Most IS people don't identify as trans anyway and are unlikely to be found in a forum like this.

You need to open your eyes as there are at least half a dozen intersex member on the site and possibly more that aren't currently active. Intersex can be over 30 conditions and they don't express themselves in the same way. Some can have element of both genders so what has been posted is entirely believable. This isn't counting DES sons who are present on the site in even greater numbers.

As for why there are here, many face the same difficulties with a transition as we do. Some sites that are more transition only sites are not as accepting of gender variations as we are so the intersex feel unwelcome on those site. TOS 9 is the one thing that helps protect the intersex and other gender variations on this site making it welcome to all.

It's pretty clear at this point that link5019 and Aurorasky need to settle this with clubs inside a steel cage.

Quote from: Dena on June 11, 2017, 01:51:01 PM
You need to open your eyes as there are at least half a dozen intersex member on the site and possibly more that aren't currently active. Intersex can be over 30 conditions and they don't express themselves in the same way. Some can have element of both genders so what has been posted is entirely believable. This isn't counting DES sons who are present on the site in even greater numbers.

As for why there are here, many face the same difficulties with a transition as we do. Some sites that are more transition only sites are not as accepting of gender variations as we are so the intersex feel unwelcome on those site. TOS 9 is the one thing that helps protect the intersex and other gender variations on this site making it welcome to all.

Even if what you're saying is true, that doesn't make her claim true.

Quote from: Aurorasky on June 11, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
Even if what you're saying is true, that doesn't make her claim true.

By the same reasoning your claim of being transgender doesn't make it true but I accept the claims made by both of you as I have no reason to doubt them.

Quote from: Dena on June 11, 2017, 03:33:24 PM
By the same reasoning your claim of being transgender doesn't make it true but I accept the claims made by both of you as I have no reason to doubt them.

It's different. One condition (being transsexual) actually has a clinical diagnosis. Having a partial uterus that bleeds despite the lack of ovaries does not. Unless we have made a new discovery? But anyway I drop it. Doesn't matter. I guess if someone's happy believing that, let them.

edit: Dena, look back. Link specifically said she didn't cycle hormones.

Quote from: Aurorasky on June 11, 2017, 03:50:54 PM
It's different. One condition (being transsexual) actually has a clinical diagnosis. Having a partial uterus that bleeds despite the lack of ovaries does not.

Link5019 is on cycled HRT and the uterus doesn't care where the hormones come from as long as they are there. Women on birth control pills can see the same behavior. Cycled HRT isn't that common today but is the past it was more common. I was on it for many years however between the low dosage I received and my bodies insensitivity to hormone swings, I didn't notice differences during the month. Like most everybody else, I am now on a fixed daily dosage which is working as well as can be expected.

Oh Aurorasky, There are more things in heaven and earth than are dream't of in your philosophy my dear.

I'm not quite sure why you mean to hold your contention so vigorously. I can't quite see how you claiming to be the protector of intersex people has any merit here. ??

The endocrine system of the human body is far more complex than normally discussed on this site, that's for certain. I don't know if Link5019 does or doesn't have uterine tissues but for you to jump on her saying she is essentially lying is pretty poor form on your part.

BTW, it took a lot of digging through university medical papers to find some of what I have read but I do remember specifically the diagram of partial uterine tissues in case studies. Also endometrial cells can exist outside a fully formed uterus in a cis-woman. These cells are reactive to estrogen but can only reach the first stage without a rise in progesterone. This leaves open all sorts of potential senerios if someone has only partial tissues. Don't discount things just because they are seemingly unlikely. Definately don't discount people, especially here on this site. Its the one truely supportive place out there.

Ok as an intersex person I have one fully functioning ovary I started bleeding when I was 18 and went to the hospital and the did blood work and the doctor said well some one must have messed this up or you are female never ordered more tests or anything I would bleed once ever 3-6 months I has told it my be a fissure nothing really to worry about. 14 years later when I went for a check up the doctor did blood work and thought there was something strange so he sent me to a specialist my endo, from their he did more tests and found I have a uterus and 2 ovaries one partially functions It also gave my xxy chromosome from what my kartotype said . I am was totally sterile as male so cant have kids I than fully decided that was my trigger that made me decide fully and I can post the ultra sound and x ray images and Doctors note to prove. My doctor said it is possible that my mom took something with D.E.S. when she was carrying me. So these things happen and yes there are documented cases my is at London Heath Science in London ontario cases are far and few between but does happen

The XXY condition does exist...and it's nothing like you described. XXY causes sterility/infertility in natal males and can cause some degree of delayed puberty and lack of sexual secondary characteristics but it's not related to genital and reproductive organs ambiguity. DES is known to cause masculinization in female XX fetuses, not feminization in male XY fetuses, so I don't see why that's brought around here so much as a reason for why we may be this way.

DES is known to have caused feminization of male fetuses. It does so by effectively blocking androgen receptors. This allowing tissues to develop in nature s default condition which is female. There are plenty of cases of DES exposure male children with mixed organs, ovatestes, ect.

Perhaps it's time for a discussion on biology.
The Y chromosome contains one specific Gene of sexual importance. The SRY gene produces a hormone that triggers the gonad forming stem cells to form testes. Without this chemical they for ovaries. Even this chemical can be overridden. Ovatestes start forming as ovaries then change up part way through. Everything after this determining factor is precipitated by androgen production from the testes. In every human early structures of both reproductive systems form. If androgen receptors are triggered then the female portions are absorbed. If not the male portions are absorbed. Anything that effects androgen receptors will skew the process. Even the shape of the bone structure is affected by androgen receptors as are several known brain structures.

So we haven't even begun to scratch the surface here. There are several known genes that effect the shape and structure of the cell receptors themselves. These cause mild to full AIS. Then there's absorbed twin. Self mosaicism where furring early cell division the Y did not copy and nature somehow just copies the egg cell X creating a person with both XX and XY cells otherwise identicle. Maternal cell mosaicism. Heck there are known cases of fertile XY women giving birth. In that case likely their SRY gene was fully defective.

My point is you don't know it all. There is so much more to make us than you realize.

Quote from: Aurorasky on June 12, 2017, 04:53:41 AM
The XXY condition does exist...and it's nothing like you described. XXY causes sterility/infertility in natal males and can cause some degree of delayed puberty and lack of sexual secondary characteristics but it's not related to genital and reproductive organs ambiguity. DES is known to cause masculinization in female XX fetuses, not feminization in male XY fetuses, so I don't see why that's brought around here so much as a reason for why we may be this way.

I never said that this is why we are like this, I said this is what my Doctor said and with that there is many possibilities why we are like this no just one, there are millions of could be reasons we more than likely will never no for sure but I think it is interesting no to people are the same. And well for your other comment about it does not cause feminization in males  than mayby my Doctor needs to go back and relearn this I think he knows what he is talking about.

Quote from: josie76 on June 12, 2017, 06:44:17 AM
DES is known to have caused feminization of male fetuses. It does so by effectively blocking androgen receptors. This allowing tissues to develop in nature s default condition which is female. There are plenty of cases of DES exposure male children with mixed organs, ovatestes, ect.

Perhaps it's time for a discussion on biology.
The Y chromosome contains one specific Gene of sexual importance. The SRY gene produces a hormone that triggers the gonad forming stem cells to form testes. Without this chemical they for ovaries. Even this chemical can be overridden. Ovatestes start forming as ovaries then change up part way through. Everything after this determining factor is precipitated by androgen production from the testes. In every human early structures of both reproductive systems form. If androgen receptors are triggered then the female portions are absorbed. If not the male portions are absorbed. Anything that effects androgen receptors will skew the process. Even the shape of the bone structure is affected by androgen receptors as are several known brain structures.

So we haven't even begun to scratch the surface here. There are several known genes that effect the shape and structure of the cell receptors themselves. These cause mild to full AIS. Then there's absorbed twin. Self mosaicism where furring early cell division the Y did not copy and nature somehow just copies the egg cell X creating a person with both XX and XY cells otherwise identicle. Maternal cell mosaicism. Heck there are known cases of fertile XY women giving birth. In that case likely their SRY gene was fully defective.

My point is you don't know it all. There is so much more to make us than you realize.

Well said thank you

Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
For the love of...OMG I'm glad you're so amazingly sure of yourself that you know everything. A fully developed uterus is not necessary for period blood, nor is having ovaries. The Uterus is mainly controlled by the hormone progesterone, not estrogen, though it does play a small part. not just that, a period happens regardless of whether or not an egg was present in the system. I freaking personally know intersex people who have the same thing with no functional ovaries. You don't know my HRT regiment. What do you want me to say, I bleed, every month, during period week with cramps, and other symptoms. I do know how this works, and I've even discussed this with my doctor who, by the way, can back me up on this, so I am so sorry that you can't just accept what it is I'm experiencing and instead want to attack me like I don't know what I'm talking about when I've discussed this with my doctor, asked intersex women as well...I've done my homework and I'm sorry that I'm experiencing what is  "impossible" to you.

If I may ask, what DSD do you have? Interested in knowing/finding/locating anyone with a similar DSD. Thanks.

For the love of...Can we just drop me and my personal life? Being personally singled out and being told I'm lying when my doctor had confirmed all of this, I thought that would be the end of it..but like seriously, I like this forum, but if this is how I'm going to be treated...well I don't feel very welcome. I already deal with enough freaking emotional abuse from my family with no real way of moving out at the moment and the last thing I need is someone else attacking me so seriously, just stop attacking me...

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