Well the fact that I have never been asked weither I was a man or a woman is good enough for me haha

Quote from: Michelle_P on July 04, 2017, 12:55:40 PM
If you wish to insist that you are not really a woman, you will have to choose some other phrase than 'transgender woman' to describe yourself.

If I get up on a dais and tell a room full of people "Good morning everyone.  I'm Vanessa, a transgender woman" any passably educated person would know precisely and instantly what I was trying to communicate.  Why do I have to "choose some other phrase" when what I just said is quite adequate and sufficient?

Ya, it's my wish to insist I'm not really a woman.  Not really a man either.  I'm a relatively rare, unique subset of a woman, although I concede that's a primitive and semantic definition.  That's why I like the term transgender woman.  It's the most simplistically elegant definition I've heard, and is almost universally understood.

Also:

Quote from: Dictionarytransgender
[trans-jen-der, tranz‐]
Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
noting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond to that person's biological sex assigned at birth: the transgender movement;
transgender rights.
2.
noting or relating to a person who does not conform to societal gender norms or roles.
noun
3.
Usually Offensive. a person who is transgender.

Bolded words for clarity, if you insist it's just an adjective.

Oh, and to be like Fox News and be fair and balanced (rofl, what a joke), here's the entry for Woman:

Quote from: Dictionarywoman
plural womenplay \ˈwi-mən\
1
a :  an adult female person
b :  a woman belonging to a particular category (as by birth, residence, membership, or occupation) —usually used in combination councilwoman
2
:  womankind
3
:  distinctively feminine nature :  womanliness
4
:  a woman who is a servant or personal attendant
5
a chiefly dialectal :  wife
b :  mistress
c :  girlfriend 2

Nowhere does that talk about gender identity~  Question:  Should it?

Definition 3.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote

Seems to me even the "perfect" answer skipped the neurological side. Maybe she did, but the post was pedantic and somewhat condescending. The changes in brain development in utero lead to identifying as the gender opposite that which is identified externally at birth. At least for many trans people and it does express along a spectrum. The problem occurs when our internal identity conflicts with social expectations based on the gender binary. We know who we are between the ears and shouldn't have to justify to anyone. Unless you're born as we are, you can't really know what it's like to be us. So if we identify as women, so be it. The other sad consequence of the social dogma is needing permission from authority to be who we are.


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