Hi! I'm Jada, I'm fairly new here. I posted a thread with some pictures of me not too long ago and got some good advice this is my original thread: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,225089.0.html here's the older pics


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Now for the new ones

Hello, Jada.

After looking at the pictures, I can say:

Positives -
Your lips are very feminine both in size and shape.
Your eyebrows look much more shapely and feminine compared to the older images and they accentuate your eyes.
When your hair is down, it's much more feminizing for your overall face shape.
Your hands and arms appear to be a lot less vascular.

Negatives -
Your midsection is fairly male-shaped as I can visibly see your iliac furrow which is a very uncommon site on women. Because your stomach is so slim and straight, the choice of a crop top is causing your shoulders and upper half in general to look much bulkier and more masculine than it actually is.
The makeup in the first image (with the heavy pink eyeshadow) is, in my honest opinion, a bit costume-esque. Anyone wearing heavy and unusually colored makeup, cis or otherwise, is likely to attract a lot of scrutinizing attention. If you're trying to pass and you already have some features working against you, this may not necessarily be what you want.


You have a lot of things working for you and a few things that need some tweaking, but you're well on your way.

I think you will have a better chance of passing if you wear more conservative clothing.  A simple V-neck tee with shorts or jeans does a lot more for helping you pass than what you are wearing here (especially in the 2 newest photos).

The problem with attention-grabbing clothing is that they give you exactly that - attention.  You don't want to invite scrutiny, second looks, and long stares if you are trying to pass.

Also, have you been to a makeup counter at a specialty store such as Sephora or MAC Cosmetics?  They can help you with makeup choices and technique to give you a more feminine look without making you look over-the-top.  I think your makeup looks nice in the 4th photo, but in the 3rd photo it's just too much.

I see steady improvement and the last photo with the dark hair will work but I would like to see the last photo makeup style with your own hair because with the right styling it is going to be better than a wig.

Can you Pass was the question

Yes you have improved and yes if you keep improving you will get better 

I should apologize now if this comes off as harsh. That's not my intention.

Pro: The makeup itself is much better, so good effort in that department.

Bare with me here for a sec. I hope you realize that the majority (Not all Dang it!) of American Transwomen who really pass well have been on HRT for a considerable amount of time. Not only that, they have probably had at least some surgery to address their overly male traits. What I'm saying here is that it takes a lot more than a good makeup job to pass for the most part. And more than anything it takes time to "cook" and boil off the bad juju while being on HRT. I don't know what your situation is, but that's pretty much how it works.

I'm a little confused about the outfits. You might try to wear clothes that flatter your figure and create an illusion of parts you are lacking, like curves. You seem to be drawing attention to those very areas for some reason and it's not helping you create a feminine presentation. There are all kinds of little tells that add up to the overall giveaway.

What is the context in which you need to pass?

I am pretty sure that you will pass, however I'm a newbie-ish at this too. So I really can't name everything that I need to see on a person's body in order for that person to pass as their preferred gender.

Your makeup in the two newest photos is prefect.

I think your stomach looks masculine in some ways.

If you keep up with what you are doing, I think you'll pass fully 100% of the time.

I hope this helps in some ways. [emoji3] But you definitely pass as female.



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Westerners are hung up about passing and  many confuse passing with beauty. That being said you can improve the 'looks' componant.

You look better in a wig as you dont seem to have sufficient hair, this will change with HRT.

Great that you are thin and in Asia the women are not so shaped as the west. So for a western view if after HRT for a few  years its still hasnt changed then implants are easy. Or wear padding.

Other than that you could use makeup classes.

QuoteWesterners are hung up about passing and  many confuse passing with beauty. That being said you can improve the 'looks' componant.

Actually, Westerners are more hung up about not getting the crap kicked out of them or killed walking out of a bar at night or even attacked in their home by a violent partner. Passing isn't about beauty here, it's about blending in with others for safety.

Quote from: EmmaLoo on July 19, 2017, 02:43:35 AM
Actually, Westerners are more hung up about not getting the crap kicked out of them or killed walking out of a bar at night or even attacked in their home by a violent partner. Passing isn't about beauty here, it's about blending in with others for safety.

Yes this is my worry I know I will never pass, if I was to go out at night all female I would my head kick in, its be enough living next door to  lbgt hater, wait till they find out

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I get sad when I hear about your fears which scate me. In Bangkok no one cares.

The danger for trans-people can come from a lot of different sources and it's not applied equally. The most vulnerable are people just starting their transitions before they are seasoned to the risks of certain situations. Some people can rely on the safety-bubble of a college campus others have to deal with much harsher urban and rural locations. It's not all scary but it does drive a need for many to pass as much of it as possible. The whole beauty thing is a bonus proposition.

Iliac furrow is not uncommon in women who are athletic and lean. I find it sexy on a woman. I have it also and I get many compliments on it.

Quote from: EmmaLoo on July 18, 2017, 11:34:48 PM
I should apologize now if this comes off as harsh. That's not my intention.

Pro: The makeup itself is much better, so good effort in that department.

Bare with me here for a sec. I hope you realize that the majority (Not all Dang it!) of American Transwomen who really pass well have been on HRT for a considerable amount of time. Not only that, they have probably had at least some surgery to address their overly male traits. What I'm saying here is that it takes a lot more than a good makeup job to pass for the most part. And more than anything it takes time to "cook" and boil off the bad juju while being on HRT. I don't know what your situation is, but that's pretty much how it works.

I'm a little confused about the outfits. You might try to wear clothes that flatter your figure and create an illusion of parts you are lacking, like curves. You seem to be drawing attention to those very areas for some reason and it's not helping you create a feminine presentation. There are all kinds of little tells that add up to the overall giveaway.

What is the context in which you need to pass?

I appreciate all your input. I only dress that way in private and how only been dressed as a woman in public a few times. Also these times, I wore much more conservative clothing. (Jeans, T-Shirt, Long Skirt).

I dont think the blonde wig suits you but the dark wig looks amazong.
Unlike the other ladies I say dress however you want but remember, the more you show, the more people WILL look at you

You have wide eyes and pouty lips, definitely can work in your favor. The choker is fine also. The long hair in the bottom pic works better. I'm all for wearing what makes you comfortable but if we're speaking strictly passing I'd say lose the crop tops and short skirts, they're drawing attention right into the midsection. You could get away with the skirts (also try hip pads if you want!) but try darker shirts with lighter bottoms.

Quote from: Corastrasza on July 19, 2017, 07:57:24 PM
I appreciate all your input. I only dress that way in private and how only been dressed as a woman in public a few times. Also these times, I wore much more conservative clothing. (Jeans, T-Shirt, Long Skirt).

After an old lady chastised me in a Burger King for having my the back of my long skirt raised all the way up and caught up in my panties after the ladies room visit (and that wasn't intentional [blush]!), I find long skirts less practical for my narrow hips and skinny butt than  flared, slightly-below knee skirts.

Minis work fine too (for me) for club wear, but only with black pantyhose (again to hide those male knees).

Quote from: ElizabethK on July 18, 2017, 10:59:18 PM
I see steady improvement and the last photo with the dark hair will work but I would like to see the last photo makeup style with your own hair because with the right styling it is going to be better than a wig.

Can you Pass was the question

Yes you have improved and yes if you keep improving you will get better 

Thanks, you're sweet

Quote from: MissKairi on July 19, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
I dont think the blonde wig suits you but the dark wig looks amazong.
Unlike the other ladies I say dress however you want but remember, the more you show, the more people WILL look at you

Thanks! The blonde is just my hair though lol

Quote from: Corastrasza on July 19, 2017, 08:48:13 PM
Thanks! The blonde is just my hair though lol

Silly! I meant the one in your old profile photo
Looked like something from the 80s to me lol

The final photo looks good. Love the dark hair, and tummy is flat. Seems you have full lips. This is with just a little HRT? You look fab and can only get better.