Looking for suggestions for facial feminization. Looking for examples and rough estimates on pricing.  I really want to go stealth.

I don't know how far into this process we call transitioning you are, but 7f you're early, Id wait for HRT to do its thing. You look young, and have soft features. I can see HRT transforming you beyond your wildest dreams. As far as your question goes, it runs the gamut based on who does it and what you need. The variables are daunting. Google FFS and you'll find your answer.
      I really can't see you needing it though. Save your money for electrolysis and start last week. It's the toughest physical thing to deal with regarding transitioning. And damned important too!

I have been on HRT for over 2 years and yes living full-time.

Well, you're quite feminine looking. Good luck!

Qwerty,

From your picture, I do not see how surgery will improve your appearance.

If you feel you need something done, there are many internet sites by surgeons who do FFS. Some names like Zukowski, Spiegel, DesChamps, Mardirosian come to mind who are still active. Their websites have an area where you can e-mail a question and some will even do a consult via Skype.

If you just desire a little work on your nose, for example, there are many surgeons who do rhinoplasty, but not other more detailed FFS procedures. The most important FFS procedures involve brow reduction, cheek implants and lower jaw reshaping. Other procedures can be done by almost any good surgeon.

If price is a concern, it is always much cheaper to have the work done locally, so you can recover at home.

Quote from: qwerty108109 on July 24, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Looking for suggestions for facial feminization. Looking for examples and rough estimates on pricing.  I really want to go stealth.

If you want the best, go for dechamps, Bart or Sinclair. The rest aren't as good.

Quote from: qwerty108109 on July 24, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Looking for suggestions for facial feminization. Looking for examples and rough estimates on pricing.  I really want to go stealth.

Brow and orbital reduction, nose job, chin and jaw recontouring, and trachea shave are the bare bones of FFS.  I'd recommend all if you want to go stealth.  Sometimes a lip lift and cheek implants (or an adjustment of the zygomatic arch) can help with certain proportions, and a scalp advancement is pretty common as well (in which case you should also plan on hair transplants to cover the scar) if you don't have a feminine hairline. 

How much it costs depends on where you go -- I've seen prices as low as US $20K and as high as $60K.

Quote from: Angieisalone on July 25, 2017, 10:34:53 PM
If you want the best, go for dechamps, Bart or Sinclair. The rest aren't as good.

Agree... I by myself have choosen Bart as well.

Deschamps is probably good in the US because you have to telephone his office and visit him in California to get an assessment - and then you basically have to trust him to do it well, he seems less open to individual wishes, from what I heard. He is also quite expensive but he did learn from Dr O, so that is his big plus.

Dr Bart is quite liked by some, especially in Europe - he also speaks German, which makes him the first choice for many german patients. I heard mixed things though - sometimes he does great work, a few times he had complications. He is however less costly than the other European options Dussen and Facialteam. Facialteam seem to do solid work, but maybe too subtle for some?

Of Sinclair, I did not hear yet - but thats not surprising, there are probably about 100 surgeons internationally who now do FFS procedures, so its getting harder to decide.

Generally the pricetag is higher in the US than in Europe and lower in South America (e.g. diMaggio) or Thailand (e.G. PAI) and even lower in India. I do not think this necessarily has an effect on the quality of the work, which should be evaluated independently. Price variation across countries also are connected to general currency value differences.

Others have said about doctors and prices and I believe you look feminine enough (passable). FFS would be feminizing beautification in your case, and judging by your picture you need it all: chin, jaw, forehead, orbital rims, nose and a lip lift.

Ha - that sounds like me then - passing good, but if I want feminizing beautification, the list gets as long as with someone who has a masculine face to start with

Quote from: reborn on August 03, 2017, 10:32:19 PM
Others have said about doctors and prices and I believe you look feminine enough (passable). FFS would be feminizing beautification in your case, and judging by your picture you need it all: chin, jaw, forehead, orbital rims, nose and a lip lift.

I think esthetic and the ability to pass are sometimes congruent, but never should be mixed up. And I can see definitely some parts of the face which have clear male aspects even in the small profile photo of qwerty108109... So I think we're talking about the ability of passing...

Hi qwerty10810,

   Your profile picture is a little hard to see but the one thing I see that makes me think your male in the picture is your chin because of the dimple/cleft... while women can have it its nowhere near as common as it is in men so it makes me think man.  Sorry I couldn't help you more...good luck and I hope you get your dream of going stealth.

Hugs
Emily

Also I think not just the dimple in the chin but the overall size of jaw and chin give the impression as well. If a small feminine lower face has such a dimple it may look cute, but since its all a bit larger - may or may not still be in female range, need more pictures to say this - it has a different effect.
Recently I saw a lot of focus in FFS on the forehead , people seem to neglect the lower face a lor more, recently. I read the Dr O book recently and he was still someone who considered jaw and chin to be as important as the forehead and basically said that its something almost every trans woman could profit from. Not sure why recently the consensus seems to be that basically doing the forehead is the one biggest thing and all else is mostly optional unless it is quite extremely masculine

Quote from: anjaq on August 06, 2017, 06:46:13 AM
Recently I saw a lot of focus in FFS on the forehead , people seem to neglect the lower face a lor more, recently. I read the Dr O book recently and he was still someone who considered jaw and chin to be as important as the forehead and basically said that its something almost every trans woman could profit from. Not sure why recently the consensus seems to be that basically doing the forehead is the one biggest thing and all else is mostly optional unless it is quite extremely masculine

Yes... Also when I had my appointment with the FT, they said, that I should ignore my chin and jaw... 

I personally found that my chin and jaw where so important as well, because they where clearly maleish. But maybe some surgeons or teams where so conservative, because of the work it will bring with it... Chin and jaw results often also in soft tissue work. Especially when you need to do more thatn only a little and also with older (35+) persons, where the skin starts loosing it's elasticity... And so they're maybe scared about touching it and therefore they propose, that it is not so important... 

Luckily the surgeon I had my FFS with had the same point of view than I had. And so it was clear what and how much had to be done incl. getting informed about all resulting soft tissue "work" which needs to be done afterwards.

Yes, Facialteam does only rarely suggest jaw work on their own. they do more often suggest chin work, but then only small jaw changes. They can do it, there are some cases in their gallery that show big changes in the jaw, but apparently they consider it unneeded in most cases. I am not sure why - their own aesthetics? Too much danger involved in doing surgery there? But others do this in surgery, so it seems to be possible without much harm.
I personally perceive the lower face to be the most masculine part of my face, really. Maybe I am underestimating the changes a forehead surgery would bring, but I see it as maybe equally important.
I think soft tissue work is likely to be a part of this. Since I am over 40 and already have some loose skin from loosing a lot of weight, I definitely will need it, I believe. Facialteam says to patients that it can happen, but they put it at a later date after its all healed. Other surgeons will do it at the same time in order to not touch the same area twice, I guess.

Quote from: anjaq on August 06, 2017, 03:12:55 PM
Yes, Facialteam does only rarely suggest jaw work on their own. they do more often suggest chin work, but then only small jaw changes. They can do it, there are some cases in their gallery that show big changes in the jaw, but apparently they consider it unneeded in most cases. I am not sure why - their own aesthetics? Too much danger involved in doing surgery there? But others do this in surgery, so it seems to be possible without much harm.
I personally perceive the lower face to be the most masculine part of my face, really. Maybe I am underestimating the changes a forehead surgery would bring, but I see it as maybe equally important.
I think soft tissue work is likely to be a part of this. Since I am over 40 and already have some loose skin from loosing a lot of weight, I definitely will need it, I believe. Facialteam says to patients that it can happen, but they put it at a later date after its all healed. Other surgeons will do it at the same time in order to not touch the same area twice, I guess.

I feel the same about myself. Do you have a long face, by chance? I do...very. With a receding chin. I'm looking into Lefort I, II or III surgery. Even when I hid my forehead with a hat my lower face caused and causes people to stare and hawk. As I present as female so I'm sure it's confusing and o people. And bonus, I'm 50 years old so I also need soft tissue work. Good times!