I read the news the other day. Obviously, the "victim" agreed!

Yet, most men lied on dates to sleep with women. They lied about their job, family, financial status ... to attract girls. NONE goes to jail.

I think this case should be about monetary compensation.

Quote from: Mr.Warrick on November 20, 2015, 06:55:36 AM
Yet, most men lied on dates to sleep with women. They lied about their job, family, financial status ... to attract girls. NONE goes to jail.

I think that's a very good point. If a man had done all that, including the prosthetic, I don't think he'd be spending 8 years in jail. It wouldn't even get to court. Just stereotypical male behavior.

What is the difference between this and what lots of men do? It seems to me not all that much except that we're all used to it, expect it even, and the homophobic aspect. Perhaps men should end up in jail when they behave badly.

No doubt that sentence will stand because of the prosthetic, and that's the one bit that makes all the difference; and won't be used against men behaving badly.

I've met a man who lied about being single and had a long term girlfriend who thought she had something serious. She was pretty upset when she found out, she'd just wasted years of her life. No prizes for guessing how many years he spent in jail for that.

Quote from: AnonyMs on November 20, 2015, 09:06:03 AM
I think that's a very good point. If a man had done all that, including the prosthetic, I don't think he'd be spending 8 years in jail. It wouldn't even get to court. Just stereotypical male behavior.

What is the difference between this and what lots of men do? It seems to me not all that much except that we're all used to it, expect it even, and the homophobic aspect. Perhaps men should end up in jail when they behave badly.

No doubt that sentence will stand because of the prosthetic, and that's the one bit that makes all the difference; and won't be used against men behaving badly.

I've met a man who lied about being single and had a long term girlfriend who thought she had something serious. She was pretty upset when she found out, she'd just wasted years of her life. No prizes for guessing how many years he spent in jail for that.

Theres the story on BBC news today of the undercover police officers who fathered babies. Clearly they were absolutely concealing their identities, in some cases for 9 years. I'm struggling to see how that is any less a criminal offence?

Here's the latest on this case

Woman who posed as man to dupe friend into sex is jailed after retrial
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/gayle-newland-jailed-for-tricking-female-friend-into-sex

The Guardian/by Helen Pidd  07/20/2017

Horrible miscarriage of justice to sentence this person to 8 years in jail. 

CIS men with erectile issues have used implants and fake prothesis to have sex with women without them knowing.

Are these guys guilty as well.  What if a Women has breast implants and doesn't inform a potential lover?  What then.

Last I checked when two people have consenting sex they are both responsible for the outcome of this act.  Why would a person jump into the sack so quickly without getting to know someone better.  That is a risk a person takes with sex.  Being tricked comes in all forms, as others have mentioned.

Quote from: jules968 on July 30, 2017, 01:46:05 AM
Horrible miscarriage of justice to sentence this person to 8 years in jail. 

CIS men with erectile issues have used implants and fake prothesis to have sex with women without them knowing.

Are these guys guilty as well.  What if a Women has breast implants and doesn't inform a potential lover?  What then.

Last I checked when two people have consenting sex they are both responsible for the outcome of this act.  Why would a person jump into the sack so quickly without getting to know someone better.  That is a risk a person takes with sex.  Being tricked comes in all forms, as others have mentioned.

I think the issue was less the prosthetic and the fact that her (their?) entire persona was constructed specifically in order to deceive one person to access sexual intercourse -- I think it's important to look at the specific facts of this case and not over-empathise as a trans person.

To apply the 'if this was a cis man' argument to this case you would not have an average relationship. You would have a cis man that knew this woman as a friend under one name/ persona, and as a lover under another. It's still deception.

It's a sad and complicated case, and i feel bad for Newland, but i don't think that they were innocent.

Peep - I see your point.  However it does take two to tangle.  And romantic or sexual relationships should only be entered with eyes wide open. 


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