Quote from: Schala on February 19, 2008, 03:28:23 PM

Quote from: LynnER on February 18, 2008, 04:44:21 PM
kk, I have a quick question... being IS can lead to a miriad of diffrent and potentialy fatal health problems...  who WANTS to be IS... its more of a curse than a blessing...

Oh, and if you have bioligical children of your own, you are most likely not intersexed <atleast the physical conditions we know of>

Most likely true yes, but not absolutely.

There are XXY males who have fathered children, though rare, and some rarer conditions can result in unexpected things, so much so that the doctors don't know which condition it is.

I didnt say having biological children was impossable, its highly improbable when dealing with the IS condiitions we currently know about...
There are allways those shadow conditions that noone can quite see or figure out... and there are many undiscovered teritories in human biology...  Im just speaking generaly...

KK, now Im frustrated... it seems everyone gets over defensive when you speak in generalities... do you do this in real life too?  I used to get beat up just for being TOO literal about things.... GODS!!!!

Quote from: LynnER on February 19, 2008, 05:41:44 PM

Quote from: Schala on February 19, 2008, 03:28:23 PM

Quote from: LynnER on February 18, 2008, 04:44:21 PM
kk, I have a quick question... being IS can lead to a miriad of diffrent and potentialy fatal health problems...  who WANTS to be IS... its more of a curse than a blessing...

Oh, and if you have bioligical children of your own, you are most likely not intersexed <atleast the physical conditions we know of>

Most likely true yes, but not absolutely.

There are XXY males who have fathered children, though rare, and some rarer conditions can result in unexpected things, so much so that the doctors don't know which condition it is.

I didnt say having biological children was impossable, its highly improbable when dealing with the IS condiitions we currently know about...
There are allways those shadow conditions that noone can quite see or figure out... and there are many undiscovered teritories in human biology...  Im just speaking generaly...

KK, now Im frustrated... it seems everyone gets over defensive when you speak in generalities... do you do this in real life too?  I used to get beat up just for being TOO literal about things.... GODS!!!!

* LynnER sighs

I seen what you said for that. But what are you trying to do take everyones fun away :-P
*hides in another room*
Maybe the changes are just part of our evolution or something, who knows.

~Rachel~

Why take it as defensiveness? I mentioned it for clarification purposes.

If someone says something I find is incomplete or erroneous, or makes something that could be construed as a blanket assumption, and I know otherwise, I may provide information. I may also add complimentary information not previously uttered, so as to make the subject wider and more comprehensible. There is no emotion in my debating.

If I make use of my emotion, I usually sound rather depressed, so I rather not. I sound more optimist in debate because I'm a naive ideologue, not because I'm cheerful or angry.

Quote from: Rachael on February 06, 2008, 05:53:48 AM
its not a mental disorder anywhere but the US....
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Try telling that to Charing Cross....or as the are othewise known...'West London Mental Health'.....I think there's a clue in there somewhere?..

there is no such think as a sane psychiatrist....  that would defy the laws of physics.
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Is anyone really sane for that matter??

~Rachel~

Quote from: drkprincess on February 25, 2008, 09:02:26 PM
Is anyone really sane for that matter??

~Rachel~

to answer you question honestly  ~Rachel~  NO !!

Yeah, I give up on trying to find mine....

~Rachel~

Quote from: Rachael on February 25, 2008, 02:06:16 PM
there is no such think as a sane psychiatrist....  that would defy the laws of physics.
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psychiatrists should be replaced by proper treatment programmes, laser machine's, technicians and surgeons specialised in various gender proceedure's....or that too easy?

Just because your sane, and know your a woman, doesnt mean everyone that says thier female or male or neither, is... Shrinks are there for our own good, and as shown by that ozzy iddiot who detransitioned and sued... thier there to protect doctors too...
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I had shrinks who thought I mentioned 'having magical powers' (geez) and dismissed me because thats what they thought they heard or understood (it wasn't, not even remotely).

My current shrink, well, she has no issue with my transition, which is good. She has issue with me calling myself a real woman though, apparently the only way anyone calls me a woman is because I dress like one (or because they pity me, are open-minded, etc) and not at all because I'm one.

I disagree with her, but I let it pass, because if I didn't, I wouldn't hear the end of it. Finding another shrink is not on my fun-thing-to-do list either.

Quote from: Rachael on February 27, 2008, 09:55:27 AM
Just because your sane, and know your a woman, doesnt mean everyone that says thier female or male or neither, is... Shrinks are there for our own good, and as shown by that ozzy iddiot who detransitioned and sued... thier there to protect doctors too...
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Is that a typo?? 

I have been to two shrinks, one was clearly a nutcase but very highly regarded would you believe?  I am a jaded patient, I tell them what they want to hear, and how in hell is that doing me any good? 
Some barely have any common sense at all, as I have a friend who works for one and my brother is a psych nurse and he has some stories to tell!
I don't really like shrinks as you can tell, they might start off with good intentions but that goes out the window pretty quickly! 

I dunno, most doctors/ shrinks ive met re this seem alright tbh...
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*natalie clutches her lower abdomen* You wanna be IS, I'll trade you -- you can have the pain and health problems. And then get poked by the doctors all the time while they try to figure out how to fix you...

werd..... Nothing like the indignity of medical examinations to make you feel oh so validated...
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Yeah, medical exams aren't fun. Yesterday I had to take my pants off while the doctor checked down there for stuff. Checked other stuff, too... it was a long appointment.

If you dont want to be poked and proded, and can deal with the pains...  Just tell them "I have no insurance, and Im broke wiht bad credit" and then the doctors dont want to have anything to do with you anymore LoL.

I dont know if that will work in other countries, but in the US that pretty much bars you from any medical service unless you have cash in hand.

I am not sure anybody wants to be intersex.  Coming from the physical end of things it ended up in years of intense genitial pain (unrelated to the trans issues) that I could not explain but was later found out to be an infant genital surgical "correction", along with a distal hypospadias which was uncorrected that resulted in bladder infections.  Hooray, isn't surgically corrected IS conditions fun and validating.  So is dealing with hours of dealing with a co-related learning disability being taken care of and the 4 years of orthodontic hell dealing with a highly arched pallet.  It was extremely validating.  Same goes for my off the wall hormonal reactions.  Very validating.  The only thing I got out of it...a better sensitivity to female hormones...which yes...I think has been helpful.  But I could of dealt without all the other stuff.

Being intersex does not validate your gender identity, far from it, you are just saddled with additional problems. 

nah, a LOT of transpeople WANT to be interesex, and go to great lenths to find out or dream... as you said. if anything, it makes your identity that more flakey....
you dont feel like you CAN identify as part of the human race
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Quote from: Rachael on March 30, 2008, 08:59:44 AM
nah, a LOT of transpeople WANT to be interesex, and go to great lenths to find out or dream... as you said. if anything, it makes your identity that more flakey....
you dont feel like you CAN identify as part of the human race
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It doesn't help much if you are and you don't get any special treatment...... in fact as far as GIC's in the U.K go it seems to enforce their negativity..