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Started by NicholeW., February 16, 2008, 03:08:14 PM

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Rachael

the Gender girls?

What are you? the bloody A team?
R >:D
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mickiejr1815

gender girls, natal females, biological females, genetic females, cisgendered females, etc. etc. the a-team? as long as no one thinks i'm mr. t. then sure why not?...lol
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Rachael

What the hell is gender girls?
GG i always assumed meant 'genetic girl' or in some sickly circles 'genuine girls' or some rubbish... gender girls makes absolutely zero gramatical sense....
Tbh, next to nobody, male or female, uses the disabled, or family toilets here... theres far more mens and womens loos...

hehe, that term has made my day ^_^
R >:D
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mickiejr1815

i am glad to have made your day rachael,


Mickie
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Shana A

<ironic mode on>

I guess all the masculine looking women and feminine looking men should hire armed bodyguards before using restrooms designated for their birth gender...  ::)

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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mickiejr1815

speaking of which, this reminds me of last night. i was at work and the power went out. we had a customer who couldn't leave cause his only car was in the shop and we couldn't get it down, (electric lifts and no emergency release valve). the guy had to go to the bathroom, so i told him to use the one closest to us since we were going to lose our emergency lights in about half an hour. all other associates were down kind of gathered together and were trying to get the guy to leave. one person told another girl to go tell him he had to leave, next thing i hear "i'm not going into the men's bathroom!" so i had to stick up for the customer since i heard it half way across the store, then everybody was like ooooohh. i can see the deal that women want their privacy in the bathroom, i believe it to be a whole personale issue on each individual. but really, i have never heard any men complain about women using the men's room(if they have to go), of course they complain that it stinks, it's nasty, and men don't seem to know how to hit such a big damn hole that's right in front of them...lol. so far no men seem to have too much problem with cisgendered women or transmen using the bathroom. and i agree this kind of thread always seems to cater to the MTF and using the women's room. it still fascinates me that women think "men" taking oestrogen are going to do something wierd like rape them.  ::)
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Rachael

Quote from: Zythyra on February 18, 2008, 11:46:20 AM
<ironic mode on>

I guess all the masculine looking women and feminine looking men should hire armed bodyguards before using restrooms designated for their birth gender...  ::)

Z
Not far off....
one of my lesbian friends has TONS of trouble in the  womens room because she looks masculine....
R
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SarahFaceDoom

Quote from: Rachael on February 18, 2008, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 18, 2008, 11:46:20 AM
<ironic mode on>

I guess all the masculine looking women and feminine looking men should hire armed bodyguards before using restrooms designated for their birth gender...  ::)

Z
Not far off....
one of my lesbian friends has TONS of trouble in the  womens room because she looks masculine....
R

And you think that's okay?
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Maddie Secutura

I once had someone point out to me that the bathroom I was in was the Men's Room.  I thought it was funny.  I haven't yet gone to the women's restroom (being pre-everything) but I can imagine I would think it less funny than my previous experience if I were to have troubles.


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Jordan

The only thing wrong with a Third Gender marker is that, then What right do those people have, they can go into either the mens or womens, I mean there would be chaos..  They arent gonna build a third gender bathroom in every place. period. it just wont ever catch on.

or if it did happen there would be a Ofemale and a Omale to designate what rights they have to certain places, long story short I dont see that working, at all.

Just make it so that the transtioner has LEGAL right to use the bathroom they present as, pending a verifiction process done through collaboration of therapists and a tiny gov office.

Simple, wouldnt cost didly and then we would have LEGAL right to be there pre SRS, which for some and many lasts a long time, and some never have SRS to obtain full legal male/female status...
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NicholeW.

Who'd have thought such a small thing as where I go to use the loo would provoke so much use of bandwidth? And I didn't even actually 'start' this thread. The OP was posted to another thread that was moved from this area. And in the split became a new topic. Did I strike nerves unaware?  :)

Look-it guys, gals, neutrois, whomever. Just use the toilet you can use without a lot of drama. Do your business and don't hang out.

I have never once had anyone question in any way my presence in a toilet. (OK, after some thought I realize that back before hormones, just from dressing I was questioned about the men's a couple of times.) Or, in a shower-room. When people have such difficulties possibly what's necessary is to think ahead, plan ahead. Besides, except for Wednesdays and Thursdays when I am at school most of the day or all day, I never use public toilets without absolute necessity.

To be honest, try this, ask for directions to the loo and go to the one the clerk, security guard, other person points you to. I do not believe we need new government bureaurocracies to administer our bathroom proclivities for us.

Nichole
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Suzy

Quote from: Nichole on February 18, 2008, 05:24:40 PM

To be honest, try this, ask for directions to the loo and go to the one the clerk, security guard, other person points you to. I do not believe we need new government bureaurocracies to administer our bathroom proclivities for us.

Nichole

That's wonderful advice.  ID cards?  Government interventions?  That sounds perfectly ghastly to me.  Just confidently walk in and use it.  If you have to wait in a cue, best to rethink it.  Just remember, few others are there waiting to validate you.  Just don't give them a chance.

Kristi
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Jordan

Sure go through life skipping wait lines, driving out of the way to use some "safe" restroom, or dont bother ever expecting to be able to fix your makeup in confidence and taking as much time as any other human is allowed.

We could live scared and frightfully feel like outsiders, or...

we could demand rights and be equals?

I dunno i take the later.
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tekla

When the human rights commission in SF looked into this it was concluded that an increase in single person restrooms designated for use by either sex were the best way to go.  So new buildings have to have them, but we did not call for them to be added to existing structures, figuring that a fight between the SF TG community and the major property managers and property owners would not be one we could win.  But, we also saw that there was a trend in that direction anyway, in part because of ADA, and in part because of the rise of single parents with children of different genders then themselves.  So many places had already turned their single person restrooms into unisex rooms - the good old, first come first serve.  And by unisex I don't think anyone means mass bathrooms, but rather these single person rooms.  However you can't make all restrooms like that, they do take more room, and more cost than a standard setup.  In the same space I can fit 12 stalls and 2 sinks I could only make 3, 4 at the most single person facilities.  But retroactive design changes are always VERY EXPENSIVE.

Having the government give out some sort of permit for this, is absurd.  First you would have to get that passed, which in this political climate is not happening.  Second, I think our government has more important stuff to do right about now then even bother with this, which affects very few people - and at any rate is a local, not national issue.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Hypatia

Quote from: Rachael on February 17, 2008, 02:23:23 PM
sharing with 6 girls in a room... then communal bathroom facilities, and washroom etc..... obviously stalled showers... but still... thanks to society, im terrified about this.
Here's how I manage the women's showers, being pre-op: Wear a bathrobe. Go there early before everyone else wakes up. Head all the way to the last shower at the end. Turn your back when opening up your bathrobe when you step in. Put it back on before stepping out. If you follow this method you can relax as it's virtually impossible you'll be outed. Of course, this works best when you have individual shower stalls. If they're all out in the open, that would be tricky. Go while everyone is sleeping and be quick about it.

Posted on: February 19, 2008, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Rachael on February 17, 2008, 06:11:07 PMTbh, im more worried about my passing ability...
Who are you and what have you done with Rachael? The most confident passer who's ever posted here?
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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tekla

Passing in the shower is a lot harder than on the dance floor.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Hypatia

Not if you follow my advice. :)
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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tekla

Yeah, but if you don't shower, people will dislike you for an entire different reason.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Hypatia

Not shower?  ??? I posted a way that would allow Rach to shower, I've used it myself in women's showers. It doesn't have to be scary.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Ms Bev

Quote from: Kristi on February 18, 2008, 09:04:05 PM
If you have to wait in a cue, best to rethink it.

this is an awful lot of talk about something very simple.  Actually, in a wait line, I stand, roll my eyes, chit chat.....whatever.  You belong there.  relax.  I've been full time just about a year now, and not once in the thousand or so times I've gone into a ladies room has anyone even glanced in an unsure way at me.  Smile....yes. 

Usually, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......well you know the metaphor.




Bev
*quack*
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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