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Should I crossdress while my wife is away?

Started by karenk1959, August 24, 2017, 07:52:15 AM

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karenk1959

I am in a struggle in my life. I am a woman in a man's body, but I don't want to transition because I know that I will have severe depression from losing my wife, friends and possibly my kids, subject to ridicule and prejudice since I am very masculine looking and will always look like a man dressed like a woman no matter how much surgery I could have and being alone with myself. I have a history of bipolar. My wife signed up to be married to a heterosexual male not a TG woman with a penis. She can't handle the thought of me crossdressing and said she would separate from me if I do. I can't blame her because just like my brain is wired a certain way, so is hers. I do feel that CD relieves some of the dysphoria I have, but I don't in order to put her feelings first. She is scheduled to be away for a few days. I don't know if I should buy some lingerie to wear while she is gone and lie about CD if it ever came up in the future or just CD for my own feelings. It would help me to know I sometimes have that outlet and the dysphoria would somewhat lessen which might help our relationship or this that just a rationalization and in actuality I would be breaking her trust.

Anyone with some helpful thoughts?
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Gertrude

Does she know your trans? If not, that's a consideration. My advice is to see a therapist specializing in gender identity. They will help you cope and navigate coming out to your wife and anyone else.


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karenk1959

Yes, she knows I am TG. I have CD in the past in from of her. Initially, she tried to accept it, but just couldn't handle it.

I have a great therapist already.
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Dena

My call is lying is a bad idea. Possibly  you could make a deal where all your female stuff will be boxed up and stored outside when she gets home but if you don't tell her abut it and she discovers the truth, your likely to be in even more trouble. Sometimes on the site lying is a bigger issue than being transgender.
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rmaddy

I don't think you should be leaving this sort of decision up to the input of complete strangers.
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aaajjj55

I am facing a similar dilemma at present.  In an ideal world, we would be able to share our feelings and get the understanding and support that we want but that ideal world is a very self-centred place and the reality is that we need to consider the feelings of others.

Lets be honest, lying about this sort of thing is not a good basis for a strong marriage,  As Dena pointed out, the discovery of the deceit may make things a lot worse.  You also need to consider the possibility that indulging in CDing while you wife is away may only give short term relief to your dysphoria but make it worse over the longer term, firstly because you feel that, having taken one step, you want to go further on the journey and secondly as you are forced to surpress your urges (in other words, the opposite of what you've never had, you never miss!).

It's very easy to say 'don't do it, lying and deceit in a marriage is wrong' but, as we all know, living with dysphoria is not easy and the opportunity to seek relief is often overwhelming and I think that many in your position, myself included, would have difficulty resisting the urge in this situation.  In fact, as you have described it, being honest with your wife would end your marriage so there are obvious benefits to keeping quiet but, of course, are you just prolonging the agony?

To be honest, I think your bigger dilemma is what to do when your wife returns.  Do you get rid of the stuff you've bought or do you hide it somewhere and run the risk of discovery?  No marriage is perfect and, at one time or another, we've all done things that we've not disclosed as, I am sure, have our spouses.  A little bit of 'cosplay' while your wife is away and then discarding the items (or, perhaps, going for a makeover at a trans-friendly salon) is probably harmless; however sustained deceit through hiding the items when she's back or having to mask increased dysphoria as a result of your actions definitely isn't harmless and you need to give careful thought to these aspects.

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Dani

I cross dressed while my wife was away and I hated myself for doing it. Not the dressing. I hated myself for being deceptive about it. Because of that, I rarely cross dressed.

Honesty in a marriage is most important.
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elkie-t

#7
I had my best adventures when mine was away (for a prolonged time). Incidentally, when she returned, she found right away traces of my CDing (I thought I cleaned up everything, but some panties were lying around...) I had to come clean to her, yet our relations changed...

Having said that - I don't regret I did it. Not one single adventure.
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aaajjj55

While we're debating this, I think it's important to remember that many of us are engaged in deception on a daily basis - logging into this site under an assumed name and not telling our spouses.  We view it as a chance to be our authentic selves; the less tolerant of our spouses would undoubtedly see it rather differently.

As I said in my earlier post on this thread, we've all done things that we've not disclosed to our spouses - lunch with a colleague we find attractive, discussed issues about our spouses with friends, cross dressed in secret etc. etc. - but the real feeling of betrayal comes, not from discovering discrete acts but from the realisation that there has been sustained deceit over a period of years if not decades.

I therefore think that a few CDing sessions whilst your wife is away is a diversion from the real issue which is how you are going to live the rest of your life.  She is already aware of your issues in this department so it's not going to come as a total surprise to her.  If you can negotiate some form of 'don't ask, don't tell' arrangement in return for a non-transition or public presentation deal, then you've probably.  If she won't budge, then you need to weigh up which is more tolerable, surpressing your desires or accepting the consequences.
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sf_erika

I've been married for 10 years, and for much of that time, I only did crossdressing in secret.  It wasn't until this summer that I revealed any of that or my being trans to my wife.  (It wasn't until then that I really started to accept that pet of me myself).

Anyway, she now knows about all of it.  But I didn't tell her about it at the time because I was afraid I was going to lose her.  From my perspective now, it seems like a test our marriage was bound to face because it wasn't a secret I could keep forever. 

You may not be ready to face that test right now.  But how long do you think you'd be able to cross dress in secret?  Can you hide that part of you for the next 5, 10, 20+ years?  What if she finds out by accident (like walking in on you)? 

Personally, I am happy that I am no longer dressing as the real me in secret.  My wife knows when and where I do it now.  We talk about it.  We may have a ways to go, but I feel like a giant weight has been lifted off my shoulder, and my wife and I are closer than ever.  I am lucky.

You may have a different situation, and you at least have some idea already as to where your wife stands on this issue.  So only you will know the answer.  But I do think that the others are all correct that honestly is typically the best policy in a marriage.  If your honesty tests the marriage, then it's a test that was probably inevitable anyway.

Hope that helps.  Best of luck - whatever you decide. 

Erika


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SadieBlake

Usually the ideal solution is the spouse recognizes that the true-gender characteristics of their partner are a big piece of what they love. And that makes sense, who wouldn't want a man with the physical body one is attracted to along with the sensitivity more characteristic of a woman?

You've written before that her sticking point was actually seeing you dress femme. Maybe she's fine if she's not seeing it.

I've dressed femme with my gf for 18+ years now and I have never once had sex with her when I wasn't wearing lingerie. I still played the part of a masculine lover to please her and the feminine attire was a slight of hand that indulged some fetish for me and let me feel feminine. Obviously this didn't work forever, it did get us through nearly two decades and during that time four things happened.

WPATH evolved to allow non-binary presentation for people seeking GCS

Surgical procedure advanced to provide a fully innervated clitoris and use of the urethra providing some lubrication.

Insurance coverage began to allow GCS (in my state it's been required of insurance plans for quite a while)

The veneer of using cross dressing alone to appease my dysphoria wore thin.

I probably would have survived and been happier than before on just HRT and cross dressing, however, now 4 months past surgery, I can't imagine being happier.

Sure, I don't pass as female. However I am happy with my presentation. I could never stand tucking, tried it a couple of times and have it up, it made me more conscious of the genitalia I didn't want, also I was quite well hung so effective tucking was quite painful. Having the freedom to wear feminine styled without a bulge feels wonderful and my gf likes how I attire myself which isn't too far from how I'd approached masculine attire -- simple & practical.

Best luck. For my part I'd say spend your weekend in whatever drag makes you happy and resolve to talk with your wife about dressing. Personally I would never accept a spouse's dictate of when I'm allowed to dress. You've written that she didn't sign up for this. I remember my marriage vows including something about in sickness and in health etc.
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Cindy

I have to admit I found it refreshing that you are buying your own lingerie! I always feel a little upset when people 'borrow' their partner's clothes, especially lingerie. There is a break of trust in doing that which I cannot quite put into words.

I will just suggest two cautions. Firstly have an escape plan. I would hate to count how many people have been caught out when the partner is away and they dress up and the sister in law (or whoever) calls in to make sure you are OK.

The important point however is you are letting the genie out of the bottle. She probably will not be willing to go back in.

You need to think on that and start planning how you and your partner will deal with the issue.
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Karrie

Unfortunately the urge to dress will not go away. It's an integral part of who we are.
Hopefully the two of you can communicate and come up with an idea that suits both parties.
The girl in us can be hidden but she will always be there. Sometimes she will whisper to come out and other times scream.
I wish you luck in finding a solution!

Karrie
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elkie-t

For me, the urge to dress got away :) it's replaced with desire to start full transition, but the desire to dress at home (which was there early on) isn't there. It just doesn't satisfy me anymore just to dress.


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Jazmine

Since I told my wife I was going to a therapist to try and understand what is going on with me, I feel more trapped then ever. My wife is so insecure, and now magnified. Advice was given to me to take it slow but at this point I feel like I stopped. My wife takes the approach that if we don't talk about it maybe it will go away. I've asked my wife to go to therapy, her own so she can get somethings out. ( she procrastinating ) I have a strong voice inside yelling 45% of the time to get out. I feel trapped.  My wife clams shut if I say anything and won't give me any kind of feed back. She's fine when alpha is around. Even though I want to dress up, I want to interact. Don't feel this will ever happen. Feeling like I'm suppressing again. Major depression. I have a therapy session tomorrow night and not sure what I can even ask or say.
 
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Julia1996

If dressing is something that's like really important for you you could just tell your wife it's something you need to do. But you can assure her she won't ever see you dressed. Then you could tell her you need some alone time and get a hotel room and do your thing in there. Get like a small storage center to store your clothes and makeup so they won't be around your house.
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MandyD

I suppressed cross dressing for years as I felt extreme guilt and shame afterwards as I was being deceptive.   I started seeing a therapist about 6 months ago and she encouraged me to explore all of the things I was suppressing - what harm would they really do to someone else.

After I came out as GD to my wife 4 months ago, we agreed that I could wear panties but she didn't want to see me in anything else... It's a start but I'm still struggling with it.   

I bought a nightgown which I keep hidden and only wear it when I'm traveling... This has helped a bit. 

Yes I feel a little guilty about it but what harm is it really doing...

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elkie-t

Quote from: Julia1996 on August 27, 2017, 07:11:32 PM
If dressing is something that's like really important for you you could just tell your wife it's something you need to do. But you can assure her she won't ever see you dressed. Then you could tell her you need some alone time and get a hotel room and do your thing in there. Get like a small storage center to store your clothes and makeup so they won't be around your house.
Julia
My wife was similar if not anti-dressing. But I got a few good years of dressing experience with an outside storage room and dressing in public but outside my house under 'don't ask don't tell' policy.

She saw signs of me dressing but never addressed them, she was angry that I would have to go out for a day or two but never tried to stop me from going...
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SueNZ

Quote from: karenk1959 on August 24, 2017, 07:52:15 AM
I am in a struggle in my life. I am a woman in a man's body, but I don't want to transition because I know that I will have severe depression from losing my wife, friends and possibly my kids, subject to ridicule and prejudice since I am very masculine looking and will always look like a man dressed like a woman no matter how much surgery I could have and being alone with myself. I have a history of bipolar. My wife signed up to be married to a heterosexual male not a TG woman with a penis. She can't handle the thought of me crossdressing and said she would separate from me if I do. I can't blame her because just like my brain is wired a certain way, so is hers. I do feel that CD relieves some of the dysphoria I have, but I don't in order to put her feelings first. She is scheduled to be away for a few days. I don't know if I should buy some lingerie to wear while she is gone and lie about CD if it ever came up in the future or just CD for my own feelings. It would help me to know I sometimes have that outlet and the dysphoria would somewhat lessen which might help our relationship or this that just a rationalization and in actuality I would be breaking her trust.

Anyone with some helpful thoughts?
I do feel for you, I am also going to be this male in a dress. I am lucky where my wife lets me dress to whatever level I feel comfortable with as long as it is at home.
I do think communication is the key to getting through this and not to hide it away. You could ask if she would be accepting of you dressing when she is not around. This could slowly lead to more further down the track.
I do know from my perspective that I can not go back to not dressing. I feel much more comfortable in a dress and the accessories are put on as I need them. I also have a lot to protect, my wife, children, family and a business. Being very careful and aware takes a lot of energy.
I have a nature for rushing ahead to solve problems and this happens with my dressing but it is really important to take things very slowly and to let it slowly settle in. Your wife my be more accepting than you realise if the slow path is followed.
Your relationship will never be the same now that you have fully expressed to her who you are. That has been the case in my marriage and I am unsure where it will all end up. All I know is that as long as I don't hide things from her she is very understanding.
Treat life's difficult times as if they are normal moments, this makes the normal and special ones even more fantastic.
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karenk1959

Quote from: Jazmine on August 27, 2017, 06:28:42 PM
Since I told my wife I was going to a therapist to try and understand what is going on with me, I feel more trapped then ever. My wife is so insecure, and now magnified. Advice was given to me to take it slow but at this point I feel like I stopped. My wife takes the approach that if we don't talk about it maybe it will go away. I've asked my wife to go to therapy, her own so she can get somethings out. ( she procrastinating ) I have a strong voice inside yelling 45% of the time to get out. I feel trapped.  My wife clams shut if I say anything and won't give me any kind of feed back. She's fine when alpha is around. Even though I want to dress up, I want to interact. Don't feel this will ever happen. Feeling like I'm suppressing again. Major depression. I have a therapy session tomorrow night and not sure what I can even ask or say.


Sounds exactly what I am experiencing! Seems like a no win situation
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