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Shame over crossdressing

Started by karenk1959, August 25, 2017, 11:27:34 AM

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karenk1959

The problem I have with CD, and others may have this experience as well, is that as an early child my desires to be a girl were squashed by my parents. I have blocked out a lot of my childhood, but I do have a memory of my mother telling my neighbor that I was no longer going to be playing with my girlfriend across the street. I can remember playing Barbies, but probably played dress up or saw her dressed in leotards and tights because I fantasized often about being a pretty girl in ballet class.

When I reached puberty, I often wore my mother's lingerie when no one was home, but likely my parents figured out I was doing it as it was unlikely I put everything back the way it was and I certainly would have stretched out my mother's stockings. I also experience a bad visceral response to confrontation, especially with verbally abusive and offensive people so I am pretty sure I was abused as a child, definitely mentally and possibly physically.

Anyway, I learned at a very young age that wanting to be a girl and CD were forbidden and shameful. When we are young, we don't know yet that our parents might be wrong. So now, when I CD, excitement about expressing my femininity is tainted by feelings of guilt and shame. It is difficult to unlearn what was deeply ingrained in my brain at such a young age. I am 58 now, so those thoughts have been plaguing me for a lot of years.

And yes, I have a good therapist if anyone is asking.
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Megan.

Ah yes the shame thing. It took me the better part of two years and many hours of therapy to finally conquer than nasty piece of cultural brainwashing.

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Dani2118

I'm battling this myself. Tomorrow I'm going shopping with my SIL in full femme mode! Yes, I'm scared to death, and if I don't have a heart attack it'll be fun! A lot of this is cultural also. Men in dresses are always funny, or deranged. Strangely my neighbors have helped me a lot. I cant stand to wear men's  clothes now but they've been fine with it, and I don't pass at all. Try what I did, baby steps. Don't go full femme, just wear something obviously female just one thing. Wear it until your used to it, you forget what your wearing. Then add something else and on and on until one day it hits you ' hey, I'm full femme! I've been afraid of what others thought of me since Jr. High, picked on everyday, so this a real hurdle for me to! May you have as much success as I have!
I finally get to be me, and I don't want today to be my last! That's a very nice feeling.  ;D ;D ;D
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Laurie


  Hi Karen,

   Oh yes the shame, guilt, fear of being discovered, embarrassment and self disgust. Yes, I had to deal with all of that. I had what I can only think of as good childhood, no abuse, not even verbal. I were for all intents and purposes the only boy in the family since my older brother left home when I was  in 3rd grade I think. I had five sisters and was smack in the middle of them. I had plenty of thing to secretly borrow. Which I did frequently. I knew I was a boy and that boys did not do the things I wanted I did. Boys didn't wish they were girls. But I did. I envied my sisters. I wanted what they had and to do and wear the thing they did. So all the shame and the rest were constant companions in my head. After all wasn't I a deviate? A pervert? or at best just a horrible young boy, the young adult, then adult? I tried to stop. Purging what I had acquired over and over again until I hit a point where I accepted my crossdressing as something I just had to do and something I could not stop. So I dressed but those self incriminations never left me  for 64 years I've had to deal with them. I dealt with them right up until I discovered I was not a crossdresser but a transgender woman and started  taking HRT and those feeling are gone. Just like that they are gone. There was a reason I felt so bad and with the revelation of who and what I really am they stopped plaguing me.

  Karen I hope you can find the relief I've found from accepting. or more correctly beginning to accept who and what I am. I'm a work in progress and life is good.

Hugs,
   Laurie
   
   
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RobinSparkles

Pop culture has turned us into jokes for years now. I'm right there with you. Slowly undoing the shackles of shame the world has taught for not fitting neatly within their lines. For me its mannerisms. Some of my mannerisms are naturally female. Others not so much. The latter is taking a bit of work. Ultimately, no matter what you do in life, there will be someone who has something negative to say. Be who you are  :)
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Bari Jo

Yes, I understand this too.  I feel shame, but only when I go to extremes in CD.  If it's just a little bit, jeans, shirt, but girls, and I wear it out in public.  I feel better.  I know most people probably think I'm still in drab, but baby steps, my envelope is getting bigger each time.
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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JoanneB

Quote from: karenk1959 on August 25, 2017, 11:27:34 AM
The problem I have with CD, and others may have this experience as well, is that as an early child my desires to be a girl were squashed by my parents. I have blocked out a lot of my childhood, but I do have a memory of my mother telling my neighbor that I was no longer going to be playing with my girlfriend across the street. I can remember playing Barbies, but probably played dress up or saw her dressed in leotards and tights because I fantasized often about being a pretty girl in ballet class.

When I reached puberty, I often wore my mother's lingerie when no one was home, but likely my parents figured out I was doing it as it was unlikely I put everything back the way it was and I certainly would have stretched out my mother's stockings. I also experience a bad visceral response to confrontation, especially with verbally abusive and offensive people so I am pretty sure I was abused as a child, definitely mentally and possibly physically.

Anyway, I learned at a very young age that wanting to be a girl and CD were forbidden and shameful. When we are young, we don't know yet that our parents might be wrong. So now, when I CD, excitement about expressing my femininity is tainted by feelings of guilt and shame. It is difficult to unlearn what was deeply ingrained in my brain at such a young age. I am 58 now, so those thoughts have been plaguing me for a lot of years.

And yes, I have a good therapist if anyone is asking.
Shame & Guilt are my oldest friends and still come around to visit a lot more often then I would like them to. Like you I was told in no uncertain terms at the age of 4 "Boys do wear dresses". I didn't quite get the message back then but a year or so later for sure. It only got worse in my teens when mom found my stash like 2 or 3 times and I was shanghaied off to the therapist.... Can you say the product of 1st generation immigrants in a blue collar city? Plus Irish Catholic and the even scarier Russian Orthodox Catholic?

I doubt for some, or even most, it truly goes away. I do admire the type of person who can proclaim "F the world, do what you want and don't give a rat's behind what other's think" It's so not me. Today I am in a far far better place then I was 8 years ago. It took a good 3 years and a lot of effort in healing myself from the inside, a couple of special angels in my TG Support group who always seemed to be there when I needed them, a bit of help from a therapist. I also had a good 30 years of my wife trying to get me to put into practice the lessons and examples of what a person can be.... If You Allowed Yourself To.

Ahhh Shame & Guilt again.  Being what I was I wasn't allowed joy or happiness.

During these past 8 years I did try to allow myself just a weee tiny bit to, and liked what I began to see. Shame & Guilt never liked the idea of me having new friends like that. The screaming often got louder from them. I persisted in listening to the whispers. The voice telling me "It's OK" "You ARE worthwhile".

Even after that lightning bolt hit me in my therapist's office when for the upteenth time I said "I know I am a transexual woman" and taking full emotional ownership of who I am, There is still more then me in the world I live in. Que Fear, and Transphobia, both internalized and externalized. Having lived as a chameleon for all these decades I know all too well what many people really think and feel about "Those sort of people" when away from the PC police. Heck, just look at the various media firestorms of anything trans these days. Nothing like being a walking pinata I say. I grew up being a big fat stuttering mouth breathing 4 eyed target. I know what that live is like.

Shame, Guilt, Fear are all VERY powerful demotivating forces. But, for me, they in time were no match to the sheer joy of being out in the real world as the real me. No match for the utter confusion of having and dealing with all sorts of emotions, vs having none, other then anger. No contest at all when it comes to the Pride of Ownership living and breathing in a body and the strange pleasurable new sensations I have, vs the one I always wished I didn't have

I am still plagued by Shame & Guilt. I just won't allow them to run and ruin my life anymore. I got wise to their ways and their trick of manipulating me. I may take a few days, or weeks, to catch on to them.
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Dani2118

I did it today! Went to the thrift store today with my SIL, she was my moral support. I got out of the truck and turned around and she was gone already! I looked for her for a few minutes and then just said to myself 'just do it'. So I went into a crowded store, dressed as a woman and went shopping for women's clothes! I didn't have a heart attack but I did have a blast. Got a few funny looks, but I'm getting used to that. It's like Joanne said, shame and guilt, you have to figure out how to outmaneuver them! I still have some things to work on, hair, glasses and hopefully HRT soon. So I don't pass at all but I've waited 56 yrs. and I'm not waiting anymore! So be brave and take those baby steps. They lead to happiness! They worked for me and I hope they work for you to. 
I finally get to be me, and I don't want today to be my last! That's a very nice feeling.  ;D ;D ;D
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Dani2118

I have to add something.  I got mamed! He came up from behind me and said 'excuse me mam'. Overcoming the fear was worth hearing that one little word!
I finally get to be me, and I don't want today to be my last! That's a very nice feeling.  ;D ;D ;D
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Sinclair

Quote from: Dani2118 on August 26, 2017, 08:59:48 PM
I did it today! Went to the thrift store today with my SIL, she was my moral support. I got out of the truck and turned around and she was gone already! I looked for her for a few minutes and then just said to myself 'just do it'. So I went into a crowded store, dressed as a woman and went shopping for women's clothes! I didn't have a heart attack but I did have a blast. Got a few funny looks, but I'm getting used to that. It's like Joanne said, shame and guilt, you have to figure out how to outmaneuver them! I still have some things to work on, hair, glasses and hopefully HRT soon. So I don't pass at all but I've waited 56 yrs. and I'm not waiting anymore! So be brave and take those baby steps. They lead to happiness! They worked for me and I hope they work for you to.

Awesome Dani! Transitioning is a process. And, for some it's almost like a game where you have to level up. Take small steps and become comfortable, get to the next level. You being 56 I'm so happy for you! It's so empowering to walk this path and I love it everyday. Best wishes!  :icon_chick:



I love dresses!!
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Megan.

All I see from all these wonderful experiences (and my own) is the old adage "the only thing to fear is fear itself'. Conquering that is something that breaks the chains of repression and shame for many of us. X

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Chloe

Quote from: Dani2118 on August 26, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
I got mamed! He came up from behind me and said 'excuse me mam'.

Quote from: Sense8 season1,episode2 drugstore scene"Drugs are like shoes, everybody needs them but they dont always fit"
Feel the same can be said for crossdressing. Always felt a definate sexual excitement associated with CD'ing (  ;) and certain drugs seem to only enhance that experience) I think a lot of "guilt and shame" comes from simply wanting to openly express one's chosen sexuality, an inhibition we share with just about any cis born, Puritan bred American?

The ultimate for me is getting ma'am'd without being crossdressed!! lol Your BAD not mine!! I simply crave the attentions of forward guys while dressed (undressed??) high . . .
"But it's no use now," thought poor Alice, "to pretend be two people!
"Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make one respectable person!"
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