So, I just took it about 10 mins ago for the first time. It was supposed to be thursday, but my step mother forgot until tonight.. right when I took it I almost cried. Then I heard my dad making fun of transgender people on tv, then my dad and step mother told me "Don't grow your hair out, you look much better in mid length." I want to grow my hair out cause in 2015/2016 I had long hair past my chest and dyed black and I actually felt like myself. I cut in short in December 2016 cause they thought that hair was causing my trouble (I got in trouble a lot in school, I've stopped though). Then they said "You are not allowed to ever dye it black". It's not one thing its another. I went to my bathroom and broke down crying, it hurts.. They know I want to be a boy..they've known for 2 years. Tomorrow I start school, everyone at the school does not like me and I got majority of the classes with mean teachers (from past students told me they are and I know some are). My gender dysphoria is starting back up and hiding that I am fine is so hard..
Well..its 7:30 where I live and I'm a teenager and forced to go to bed at 9 pm..
I used to have so much free will and no rules when I was 12 and 13...Ever since we moved to New Braunfels,Tx it has all changed...
I'm so sad..

If your parents are overzealous to the point of not being able to be talked out of insisting you're on it, can't you just pretend to take the pills?

Quote from: Stone Magnum on August 28, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
If your parents are overzealous to the point of not being able to be talked out of insisting you're on it, can't you just pretend to take the pills?

I was going to suggest the same thing. You could just cheek the pill and then spit it into the toilet.

I used birth control pills to get rid of my periods. If you don't take the one-week "break" every three weeks, just keep taking the regular pills, periods get really light and usually go away entirely. You can look at them as part of your transition! In fact, some endos prescribe them as a lead-in before testosterone, to get menstruation under control so that when you start T you have less chance of continuing with your period in those first few months. I had a very light period three days after I started T, and haven't had one since. Not even spotting.

Quote from: Stone Magnum on August 28, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
If your parents are overzealous to the point of not being able to be talked out of insisting you're on it, can't you just pretend to take the pills?

My suggestion also.

Hang in there. You will soon be old enough to make your own decisions. Stay strong, dude.

Quote from: Cailan Jerika on August 28, 2017, 08:44:44 PM
I used birth control pills to get rid of my periods. If you don't take the one-week "break" every three weeks, just keep taking the regular pills, periods get really light and usually go away entirely. You can look at them as part of your transition! In fact, some endos prescribe them as a lead-in before testosterone, to get menstruation under control so that when you start T you have less chance of continuing with your period in those first few months. I had a very light period three days after I started T, and haven't had one since. Not even spotting.

That sounds like an even better idea than not taking them at all.  Good one!

If your parents are against you having long hair that is black, then you probably have more issues than your parents not liking that you are a guy. That just means they're strict on most things overall. Sadly, that cant be helped much. You just have to find compromise in what will work now and go from there until you have some semblence of independance.

I also agree with Cailan. I'm not sure why you dislike birth control, is it because it's for "women" and it triggers dysphoria for you? You might want to change your perspective on that, I actually wanted to get on birth control myself Pre-T because honestly periods would give me more dysphoria than medication that can regulate and cease them. It's something you can use to your advantage, so dont fret! Just take it in stride and keep finding new things to help you cope with life

For some, it may not just be about reframing birth control (while nice for some of the period type symptoms/issues) into a different thought process.

I had always had severe reproductive issues (endometriosis, pcos) where the standard treatment is birth control. I wasn't out, nor even fully aware at that time that trans was a thing so I went on it as a teen quite willingly as I was miserable physically.  I never did find a formulation that didn't make my brain feel like it was on fire. Not literally, of course, but I couldn't stay on them long as the psychological symptoms were off the chart for me, even in low dose, even on multiple formulations. I never tried depo but that was about the only one I didn't try before I started T and it no longer mattered.

I know the OP has just started them and it may be possible that reframing the situation (OP - being on birth control does NOT make you less of a man!) will help. But it is also possible that his body/brain just rejects those types of medications. Obviously, it was his first dose, it is too soon to tell.

I think it is equally that he is given no control over the situation and no one (teen specifically) should be forced to take medication unless it is medically necessary. I didn't see it in the OPs post, but if his parents are forcing this on him as a means of control, not because his physical symptoms require it, that is wrong.

That's disturbing, reminds me when I was growing up. My mother knock on my door and actually broke my door, and she then cut my hair off (I'm transwoman), and acted like she did the best thing in my life, and was all happy about what she did..... I went to sleep that night early......

**Trust me, I had to really suppress that memory.... let alone key log my computer, spy on me when I leave home at 17-18, after I paid her huge bills... and then she cries saying she loves me so much **then and now** and prides herself as the best mother in the world who will do anything for her "kids".........**

Much more to say, but rather not. I don't need her to tell me anything, it's my life.

In another thread I posted the problem. Peter has naturally high testosterone levels and the goal of Peter's parents is to feminize Peter. I suspect they initially wanted to give steel estrogen pills but needed to settle for birth control pills. I suspect the selection of the pill was based on the pill with the highest estrogen level. This is not about cancer or irregular period but strictly about turning Peter into a feminine girl.

Quote from: Dena on August 29, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
In another thread I posted the problem. Peter has naturally high testosterone levels and the goal of Peter's parents is to feminize Peter. I suspect they initially wanted to give steel estrogen pills but needed to settle for birth control pills. I suspect the selection of the pill was based on the pill with the highest estrogen level. This is not about cancer or irregular period but strictly about turning Peter into a feminine girl.

Thank you so much. Do you think it will make me more feminine on the birth control? Thank you though so much for understanding this and remembering this. It means a lot.

Quote from: Wild Flower on August 29, 2017, 02:30:00 PM
That's disturbing, reminds me when I was growing up. My mother knock on my door and actually broke my door, and she then cut my hair off (I'm transwoman), and acted like she did the best thing in my life, and was all happy about what she did..... I went to sleep that night early......

**Trust me, I had to really suppress that memory.... let alone key log my computer, spy on me when I leave home at 17-18, after I paid her huge bills... and then she cries saying she loves me so much **then and now** and prides herself as the best mother in the world who will do anything for her "kids".........**

Much more to say, but rather not. I don't need her to tell me anything, it's my life.

I am so sorry. I feel you though, I am always watched on my computer and have all these strict rules. I am very sorry about all this though.

Quote from: PeterSteele on August 29, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
Thank you so much. Do you think it will make me more feminine on the birth control? Thank you though so much for understanding this and remembering this. It means a lot.

I am not really sure how much your body has already developed and how much it will still change. It's possible your body will remain much the same but the idea of giving somebody underage birth control pills when they are not sexually active isn't wise to start out with. What I fear is that they might cause an increase in your dysphoria and the fact they are not transgender aware means they will miss interpret any effect the pills might have on your body. To me smells of chemical indoctrination. Fortunately as I recall, you are nearing the age of 18 and at that point you can refuse to take the pill though they might not allow you to live under their roof any longer. In either case, it would be best for you to start planing your life away from them. Put some thought as to work or possibly schooling if your parents are willing to pay for it.

 Hi Peter, they cannot force you to take the pill, they can only scare you into submission. If they beat you, you can report them. If they kick you out of the house (very unlikely), you can request social services to take care of you (while you're still minor, after 18 - it's a bit of a different story, it's not easy to find a job and study full time, but also doable). It is highly unlikely though, since it would reflect badly on your parents and not you. So, most they can do to you is refuse to buy you any toys and ground you indefinitely. My suggestion would be to find a job that would give you some financial stability (that you would able to survive on if they ask you to live), save as much money as you can, refuse to take the pill saying it makes you feel sick and be strong. Whatever storm your parents will bring on you, would end sooner rather than later.


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Quote from: Cailan Jerika on August 28, 2017, 08:44:44 PM
I used birth control pills to get rid of my periods. If you don't take the one-week "break" every three weeks, just keep taking the regular pills, periods get really light and usually go away entirely. You can look at them as part of your transition! In fact, some endos prescribe them as a lead-in before testosterone, to get menstruation under control so that when you start T you have less chance of continuing with your period in those first few months. I had a very light period three days after I started T, and haven't had one since. Not even spotting.

He should be careful of doing that long-term if there's not HRT on the horizon yet. I did that and it does have consequences and some very unpleasant side-effects if you do it for years.

If iI were you I would just outright refuse. It's not like they're going to hold you down and stuff the pills down your throat, or at least I would hope not.

I understand being worried about the consequences of standing up to your parents though. At the very least you could do what others have suggested and cheek the pill then spit it out or pocket it then throw it out somewhere that it won't be found later. That's something I used to do when I was a kid and made to take a bunch of different meds for ADHD which I didn't have. They  were giving me really bad mood swings and making my depression worse so I'd throw them out. It was highly successful until the couple times I forgot to take the pills out of my pocket and throw them away at school.

Quote from: Viktor on August 30, 2017, 02:55:13 PM
He should be careful of doing that long-term if there's not HRT on the horizon yet. I did that and it does have consequences and some very unpleasant side-effects if you do it for years.

What were the unpleasant side effects?

Hey Peter,

If you do not feel comfortable taking pills (that you do not medically require) then I would strongly advice you don´t take the pills. Perhaps you can pretend, like others have suggested. Your parents would not know the difference.

Hormone based medication (birth control is hormone based) can have a serious influence on your mood and does have the potential to feminize you, perhaps not physically but it does have a possibility of influencing you emotionally. I am not saying this to fearmonger among anyone, this is based on my own experience with it.

If you already do not feel strong emotionally, and you are taking them against your will, this could be a bad idea. I also really don´t see why parents would force their kids on birth control, it´s their kids body for **** sake. That aside though. Don´t take it if you don´t want  to take it.

Quote from: PeterSteele on August 31, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
What were the unpleasant side effects?

The body effectively becomes addicted to the pill.

If after taking it for several years continuously, you suddenly stop taking it, you might well be looking at a 3-month long migraine. One that doesn't stop with almost all readily available painkillers or sleep. It's apparently comparable to the migraines suffered from heroin withdrawal, I hear.

I had that, so suddenly stopping was impossible. I couldn't handle three days of that level of continuous pain much less three potential months of it. Three days and I was crawling the walls. I decided to chop the pills up and take continuously less of them over a long period to wean off them. This took about 6 months to do. I figured it would be that easy. Except my body took 8 -12 months to adjust, and in the meantime I got full blown hypothyroidism from it for about a half year, and all the fun that comes with that - joint pain, constipation, fatigue and general weakness and illness. I'm still living with the physical problems from that - it changed my metabolism and other things, for the worse. The hypothyroidism cleared up after about a year, but I figure it's done some permanent damage.

If I had been aware this would happen I would never have even touched the female contraceptive pill. Doctors should tell people taking it what happens when you take it for a long time. Not just continuously too - they know long term general use eventually leads to estrogen dominance and migraines. They just won't bother telling you when they first prescribe it.

Quote from: PeterSteele on August 31, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
What were the unpleasant side effects?

To add to what Viktor stated above, it can also cause your natural parts to shut down entirely. A coworker of mine was on the pill for a handful of years at her doctor's behest and didn't really think much of it until she wanted to conceive. She quit taking them and started trying to get pregnant. Instead of getting pregnant, she started having all these odd symptoms--a huge increase in acne, both facial and body, extreme depression, fatigue, anxiety, weird weight fluctuations, lack of motivation, no libido--that she dealt with for eight months thinking it was just her body readjusting hormonally. Finally, after going to the doctor, they determined that her ovaries had completely shut down. She had to be given a synthetic hormone regimen like an MTF for an entire year to get back to normal.

Now, I know that the thought of your natural bits shutting down seems awesome, but your body needs a primary sex hormone to function appropriately. Will T be on the horizon when/if that time comes?

My original recommendation remains steadfast: Cheek the pills if they watch you or pop and chuck them like you're taking them each day if they don't.