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Transition's ultimate goal

Started by Complete, October 06, 2017, 12:23:10 PM

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Complete

In response to a question l asked on another thread about "pushing the envelope ", it was suggested by the OPEN  that l start a separate theard. So here it is, together with my question.
"As an old school dinosaur, l am really struggling to understand what the ultimate goal is here. What are you all struggling towards?  Is it womanhood?  Something else? In Oregon they now have a legally recognized third gender. Is that the goal? Neither male nor female but  "other" ?

So there it is. What is the ultimate goal? I understand it is different for everyone, but surely there must be some limgenerality other than l "just want to be me". Heck, the whole world just  wants what they want.
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Devlyn

For me the goal is neither, and both. Other works for me.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Deborah

My goal is to be able to live without wanting continually to be dead.
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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steph2.0

Maybe I don't understand the question, but it seems you answered it yourself: everyone is different. Personally, my goal is a complete binary transition to female, as I perceive yours was. I would guess that the majority of members have something like that in mind, but all nuances are welcome here. The answers to your question will probably look like the results of a poll or a census...

Stephanie


Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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Laurie

 Why the hell is "I just want to be me" not good enough? I want to be free to live my life as I am without religious zealots condemning me and political bigots trying to dehumanize and legislate me out of existence. I want to be seen as a human being and not something to be exterminated by others with their own prejudices. I want the same rights and freedoms every human being on this earth should have. I want to be free to be myself and live my life in peace.

  I"m sorry if "I just want to be me" not good enough because it is EXACTLY what I want.
April 13, 2019 switched to estradiol valerate
December 20, 2018    Referral sent to OHSU Dr Dugi  for vaginoplasty consult
December 10, 2018    Second Letter VA Psychiatric Practical nurse
November 15, 2018    First letter from VA therapist
May 11, 2018 I am Laurie Jeanette Wickwire
May   3, 2018 Submitted name change forms
Aug 26, 2017 another increase in estradiol
Jun  26, 2017 Last day in male attire That's full time I guess
May 20, 2017 doubled estradiol
May 18, 2017 started electrolysis
Dec   4, 2016 Started estradiol and spironolactone



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Nina

Happiness.

Had my surgery.
Retired at 45.
Have a great partner.
I have my health.
2007/8 - name change, tracheal shave, electrolysis, therapy
2008 - full time
2014 - GCS Dr. Brassard; remarried
2018 (January)  - hubby and I moved off-grid
2019 - plan originally was to hike PCT in 2020, but now attempting Appalachian Trail - start date April 3.
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RobynD

I'm a girl. I have always been one. Transition just makes that easier and eliminates bad stuff like depression. The transition is medical and social but the girl has always existed.


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Bari Jo

I'm trying to not feel defensive in this and answer non defensively.  Choosing to transition is not something any of us took lightly.  A LOT of thought, pain, therapy, and well the worst parts of life often contributed to that decision.  I can't speak for everyone, but transitioning for me was the only choice.  I wasn't suicidal, but starting to not be able to function anymore.  The goal of my transition is for the Disphoria to be gone, allowing me to be complete.  For me that means presenting and living my life as a female and having others perceive me as such.  This may not mean any surgery.  I will reserve the right to change my mind on that in the future.

I hope that answers your question.  I keep thinking this thread isn't just asking what our goal is, but also asking for us to justify it.  That gives me pain and pause.  I hope no ill feelings are implied and it's just my own internalized walls.

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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KathyLauren

Obviously, everyone's answer will be different.

Mine is that I want to be free to be myself, living a life that includes some happiness.  "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."  A worthwhile goal, is it not?
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Dani2118

I'm like RobynD, I've always been a girl. Being raised boy created enormous problems, none of them easy to fix. Transition becomes release from prison for some of us, ME!!!
I finally get to be me, and I don't want today to be my last! That's a very nice feeling.  ;D ;D ;D
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LizK

Quote from: Complete on October 06, 2017, 12:23:10 PM
In response to a question l asked on another thread about "pushing the envelope ", it was suggested by the OPEN  that l start a separate theard. So here it is, together with my question.
"As an old school dinosaur, l am really struggling to understand what the ultimate goal is here. What are you all struggling towards?  Is it womanhood?  Something else? In Oregon they now have a legally recognized third gender. Is that the goal? Neither male nor female but  "other" ?

So there it is. What is the ultimate goal? I understand it is different for everyone, but surely there must be some limgenerality other than l "just want to be me". Heck, the whole world just  wants what they want.

What is yours?
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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ainsley

My ultimate goal is similar to that when I play RPGs.  To complete the main quest and as many side quests as I feel are worth it.
:eusa_dance:
Some people say I'm apathetic, but I don't care.

Wonder Twin Powers Activate!
Shape of A GIRL!
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KatherineVictoria

My goal is to finally, for the first time in my life, be able to stop "psychologically holding my breath", as I like to put it.

The times I've felt the most happy, relaxed, elated, content, and secure, were when I tucked, dressed feminine, and had quiet time to myself to just be me.  I simply enjoyed existence; something I don't do as a cis male.


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Julia1996

My goals are to be as passable as possible, to be accepted as a female without question and to one day have a husband. I don't want anything any other woman doesn't want.
Julia


Born 1998
Started hrt 2015
SRS done 5/21/2018
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HappyMoni

This thread seems to have ruffled a few feathers along the way. I am not sure why. I take the question as seeking a specific answer. I think my answer is to be at peace with myself, to experience many of the things in my life that have been unavailable to me because I was not considered female. I want to interact with people as myself. I want to, for once in my life, feel sexy. I want to be comfortable with myself, not worry about transition any longer, but just live it. How's that for a goal.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Megan.

I have no specific aim (am I wierd in that?). Most of my early journey was getting to a point that I could like and live with myself, and in many ways I'm there already.
GCS, being back in a loving relationship, passing better; these are all things I want but don't need.
I tend to view my gender transition just as one piece in my overall personal growth,  and in that, it won't end until I do.

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FinallyMichelle

Quote from: Deborah on October 06, 2017, 12:32:16 PM
My goal is to be able to live without wanting continually to be dead.

That was the beginning for me, for the first year and a half at least. Eventually I was at a place that life was good enough that I really wanted to live.

The goal has slowly evolved since then. There was a time when I would have just answered - 'being a woman', I think at the time I was unintentionally naive. I started hrt 2 weeks after my 45th birthday, 2 years 11 months ago. I am a woman now true but as much as I would like to be I am not like every other nearly 48 year old women, not completely. The difference is negligible and with more time it will mostly disappear, mostly, but a small difference will always remain. I spent too long lying or living a lie, I just can't anymore. Not even to myself.  So now my goal is to be a woman to the highest degree that I can. I say that but it does actually get to the point where I and everyone else has a hard time telling the difference. If there was NO difference I would not be typing this right now.  :) 

My friends will still occasionally ask about my surgery. Also with the age of my friends menopause takes up more of their conversation than most, so sometimes they will ask me a related question and I have to just stare at them. No matter how many time it happens they are like, duh, but they will do it again. Other than that they hold me to the same standard as any other woman.

Now I have my surgery to look forward to and I still want to lose muscle. Ah, and fat.  >:(  Must never forget the fat. So my goal now is to get to the point that detransition is not going to happen, that I won't lose the gains that I have made. And live my life in a way, that for so long, I never thought was possible. Isn't that the way of it though, goals changing as we go?
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FinallyMichelle

Quote from: ainsley on October 06, 2017, 03:18:04 PM
My ultimate goal is similar to that when I play RPGs.  To complete the main quest and as many side quests as I feel are worth it.
:eusa_dance:

;D

Baldur's Gate an SoA  ;) :icon_archery: I can get Blackrazor, doesn't make me a bad person...  Does it?
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josie76

First, not want to be dead.
Second, to find life is actually worth living
Third, become invisible to all the haters in the world.
Forth, be living life free for so long that happiness sets in
Fifth, to realize my true self is already living my own life

Lastly (in honor of RPGs) I wish to be the ruler of the world of Xeen. You may all address me as Lady Xeen, Lord and Ruler  :D
That might have just shown my age. Lol
04/26/2018 bi-lateral orchiectomy

A lifetime of depression and repressed emotions is nothing more than existence. I for one want to live now not just exist!

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SadieBlake

Largely what Moni said. My goal for 18 years was to progressively become more healthy, which for me meant learning to be more feminine emotionally, let go of the male privilege I carry and to relate to others more stereotypically the way women tend to. Of course the catch-22 is I don't want to be a stereotype, hence remembering that the real goal is just to be more healthy.

I think my mannerisms have become progressively more femme with time - or the the extent that that was always my inclination, to simply allow myself to be so.

Over my lunch today there were a pair of younger women chatting and I was aware that many of the ways they spoke to each other were characteristically female in ways that I'm not given to and also that I don't aspire to. For instance one mishandled her fork and a bit of food fell onto her cheek. She and her friend both exclaimed at her small faux pas, sharing the humor of minor embarrassment that was just between them, not in front of people who'd judge them.

Two men wouldn't have paid that any attention, or perhaps one would have called the other stupid or clumsy in jest. They wouldn't have giggled.

Now to be sure, I know I could emulate those women, and that if I were intent on passing as female that could be an important set of social skills to learn just as I emulated men socially for many years to not get picked on, to get along, to pass, the thing is I don't especially *want* either social role. Most of the passing MTF women I know have learned these signals. I take on the ones that matter to me - not talking over others, listening well, putting community and the welfare of others on a par with my own, nurturing friends and even sometimes those who are antagonistic to me. Again, my first goal is healthy, feminine is just the direction I tend to lean.

So I enjoyed hearing these women, taking note of how they interacted, a little bit of me wishing that that was me.

But then I also wish I were a size 4 and cute. That's not gonna happen in this lifetime, maybe in a reincarnation. I hope my future self can remember how much the me of today wanted what she has. I also hope she's a substantial woman. There's nothing wrong with blending in, and I don't even know how to say it right but I hope she's more concerned with the essence of things than the surface.

I make a pretty OK looking guy and I have had to let go of that as well as not having a "landing place" of being a classically pretty female. On the other hand at every turn where I've chosen the more substantive path, over its option the results have been a happier, richer life. Of course I also have to remember from Der Steppenwolf that the ephemeral beauty has it's own value.

And I remember that being passable, being pretty aren't panaceas to the problems of this life. Pretty women are most certainly discounted, most learn how to parlay those things to advantage, just as men parlay their strengths into tangible benefit.

🌈👭 lesbian, troublemaker ;-) 🌈🏳️‍🌈
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