Hi all.  As our name imply we are a Jake and Anna and we are a married couple, we hail from Michigan.  We have tried very hard to become closer to this community.  This all started when Jake came out to Anna about his true sexuality teaching her how absolutely fulfilling life would be with a preop transitioned girlfriend.  We have a better understanding than most when it comes to transwomen.  We have always wanted to find a girl that we can be friends with and help out, not just someone for a hookup.  We are good people that just love the pre op trans woman body.  We want to help society change its views that the penis is just a male only organ and it certainly doesn't determine someones gender.  Transwomen are truly special through all of their levels of transition.  We would be obliged to be seen as people within your community you can lean on for advice and help. As we are both bi, and more especially Jake is bi; we understand how tough it can be at times.  You'd think that it would come from the stress from the straight world, but in reality the LGBT community is incredibly harsh on bi men.  Many believe they don't exist and we have even heard of people say it should be LGT.  It's very hurtful to like both sexes.  Gay men are by far the meanest.   This must be the reason that bi males of any class in the LGBT community have the highest suicide rate.  I guess this has been Jake's fundamental reason for seeking transwomen from a very young age.  To him it makes perfect sense that a transwoman who likes men and hasn't fully transitioned should seek a bi male, that is the transwoman natural fit in many ways (of course we understand transwoman aren't all straight either).  We also know there's exceptions to every rule.  He came out of the closet a year ago to Anna, but also letting her know he had never cheated.  After looking into the trans seen and seeing the absolute unique beauty of a pre op transwoman she then realized as well why it is most attractive composition a person can have.  It is the people that enjoy the features and the soul of both sexes that are so drawn in.  We know we are viewed as terrible people by most transitioning people and we are used to being slandered for liking preop girls, and we guess we are just trying to find some friends that say, "Hey Jake and Anna are cool, not just some trany ->-bleeped-<-s." We hate the word ->-bleeped-<- it's a bull->-bleeped-<- term, but alas we are absolutely in love with some of the genres girls.  Just had to be honest.  Tgirls are girls to us.  Guess in short we just feel like we aren't allowed to try and find a transgirl because of how people like us are talked about, we hope it's not the case.  We hope to find some awesome open minded and full hearted people on here!

Thanks for reading this! Jake n Anna
(Sorry for the weird dialogue we wrote this together)

Welcome Jake 'n Anna.
I think that Susan's Place welcomes everyone supportive of trans people.  Other couples are already members. 

Hi and welcome. I'm a 40 y/o trans-woman in the UK.
I identify as pansexual,  so for me,  a person's physical sex is pretty irrelevant, it is about a strong emotional bond.
I'm an active member of broader LGBT communities,  so I welcome the support of any and all allies.
Discussion on the forum primarily focuses on the 'gender' aspects (social and medical) of the trans* community, I personally welcome any chance to learn from or educate others.

Megan. X

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Hello Jake and Anna, welcome to Susan's.

I am MtF transgender and bisexual, and have my gender surgery scheduled 1-1/2 months from now.  In case you haven't already spotted it we have a Significant Others board.  The male/female couple I have been dating for 1-1/2 years have posted in several areas on Susan's including the SO board.

Your introduction is interesting.  I have learned over the years to avoid generalizing... when I have done so myself I have missed opportunities as there are always exceptions.  Some of the most kind-hearted, open minded individuals I know of identify as gay male.  It really is up to each individual and is not necessarily determined by someone's gender identity, orientation, religion, political beliefs etc. 

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Jake and Anna, thank you for joining Susan's. 

All the best,

Kendra

Kendra,

I think you may have us wrong on our post, I say this with caution not personally knowing you.  These are Jake's experiences.  There's a big difference between his interaction with a gay guy and anyone else's, and in the post we were talking about the experiences he has had with other gay men.  There are plenty of resources available out there about the way gay males abuse bi males, many trying to destroy their relationships while also being completely not understanding to their position.  A bi guys chance of finding a wife after coming out are terrible.  Furthermore, bi men are seen as straight men by others who identify within LGBT many of times.  With so many resources available and well known advocates of LGT have stood up for the rights and treatment of their people, it seems like B's are left out.  Furthermore, those people who fight so hard for fair treatment from straight people turn around and treat people within their own community wrong.  It's a double standard.  And it's also not my purpose here, this is simply my struggle, my journey, and where I come from heading into SP.

The correlation I'm trying to make in this platform on Susan's Place is that I feel like many bi males could be great potential partners for transwoman, and for those transwoman who are unsure about getting fully transitioned I feel like a bi male would be an incredibly huge support system for these individuals.  Not only because of appendages.  But also just in general.  Bi men can identify with men or women from the way the walk, the way they talk, to physical features.  True acceptance is what I think would be found, and this community of guys who will love a transitioning woman no matter where they are in life, is largely hidden.  In the closet and afraid.  Married to a woman that thinks if her husband sleeps with another man he will never come back to her.   Transwoman are beautiful throughout any stage of transition simply because they are following their path and trying to find self identity.  In my eyes they should be brought closer together in sentences.  I don't want to over generalize, because as you said it can build walls. I just know that if all of these LGBT and Q groups worked together they'd grow together.  Trans community should help the bi community. And same vice versa.  They all should.  They all have struggles they can relate too.  I hope this place helps us grow in a positive manner because it has been incredibly hard.

Having grown up and lived life in the straight world all my life, I admit to not understanding who  is looked down on under LGBTQI umbrella.  I see no good reason to look down on anybody. ("Well except for the Irish. I draw the line at the Irish!" Sorry, a line from the movie, Blazing Saddles. It has a scene that really shows how ridiculous bigotry is.)
Moni

Hi Jake n Anne 

Welcome to Susan's Place    Glad to have you both here, join on in the fun

Hugs

V M

I've heard that gay men have issues with bi men and lesbians have issues with bi women. Though I've never witnessed anything like that personally.

I've never really been open about my bisexuality except to the people that I know  are LGBT. I do tend to agree that cis bisexual and transgender can make for a good match. Pansexual would be a better description. Attraction regardless of gender or anatomy. I've never explored that, though I'm open to the possibility.

I have a friend that is only attracted to women, but doesn't care what anatomy. I wouldn't consider him a ->-bleeped-<-. From my experience ->-bleeped-<-s tend to want to keep their relationship with me a secret, behind closed doors. Never in public. Well I'm nobody's dirty little secret.

I wish that there wasn't the stigma that is attached to bisexual men and women. My dating life would be so much simpler!

Welcome to the site.

I am bisexual. Or rather pansexual. I fall for the person, not their gender. Bisexual is easier to say, people don't understand pansexual.

I have never been left out or bullied because of my sexual orientation. I live with a guy now. We are married. He is my best friend. But I don't know if we will still be a couple when I go through full transition. He is not gay he says.


Tony

Megan, I love the line,  "I personally welcome any chance to learn from or educate others. "

This is a very good position to have