Simple question! Which I presume everyone will answer yes to  !
But anyway:

So, do you or did you have it?
How did that manifest itself? In particular situations or all the time? Did you avoid certain things (like talking, singing) because of it?
Is it better now?
Did you ever do some voice coaching?
What have you done about it except for HRT?
Did HRT help with it?
Did passing help with it? Or does it just out you all the time?
Was your voice deep/high for your assigned gender to begin with?
Are you okay with it now? Or have you come to terms with it anyhow? How? (haha, that rhymes  !)
Anything you wanna share,  !

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As pre-everything:
I have a slight voice dysphoria - but not bad, though.
I did some conscious training starting around 15 so I have a fairly deep voice for a female - at least I don't sound that Minnie Mouse others have stated !
As pre-T and to make myself feel better I've tried to think I sound more guyish. So it's not that bad. I know I don't practically sound male though. But at least I don't sound very female either.
As for my singing someone said  I sound androgynous, but 'male leaning' so I take that as a compliment,  ! I think my singing voice is okay too. And I can sing highish/normal male range, at least.
But if I think about that I sound like a woman - then, yes, I feel uncomfortable about it.
I'd rather not think that way,  .
If I raise my voice or am very excited, I tend to speak higher, maybe.
Usually I try not to sound that high, so it takes some conscious effort to speak a little lower.
I hate to speak to the cashier in a store bcos I feel I sound too high or female.
And if I'm on the phone and have to give my ID details I feel nervous that I sound too male, and sometimes I've spoken consciously higher - which I hate  .
Overall I think my voice is 'okay' given the circumstances - and at least I don't sound very much like a woman, even if I don't sound that male either.

I sound like Lemmy, I hated it now I see it as part of my character like being tall & having green eyes

Yep, i was doing singing lessons awhile back, and my teacher is a woman, she kept wanting me to pitch female singing as a boy and im like yeah i dont wanna do that why cant i just pitch female singers voice? like a female?

I have sort of a girly voice not to high pitch but its there, i have had instances where i have been called ma'am on the phone, and its made me feel disphoric, ie she thought i was a ma'am? kinda hot.. but i should really try and sound more guyish as to not have that happen again i dont like how it makes me feel when i get confused like that

No I don't have dysphoria with my voice. It's in the lower female range but wasn't really deep enough for a guy. Not like my brother's.  He has a really deep voice. I got lucky in that department.  It is interesting how my brother has such a deep voice but can let out such a high pitch scream. He has a phobia about spiders and once I put a fake spider on his leg while he was engrossed in a football game. The scream he let out was even funnier than him beating the crap out of his jeans.

Quote from: Julia1996 on December 22, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
No I don't have dysphoria with my voice. It's in the lower female range but wasn't really deep enough for a guy. Not like my brother's.  He has a really deep voice. I got lucky in that department.  It is interesting how my brother has such a deep voice but can let out such a high pitch scream. He has a phobia about spiders and once I put a fake spider on his leg while he was engrossed in a football game. The scream he let out was even funnier than him beating the crap out of his jeans.

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Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PM
So, do you or did you have it?

I used to. I always hated the sound of my own voice, it sounded incredibly goofy to me. People usually say that this is normal for everyone - hearing their own voice in a recording is weird as they aren't used to hearing it that way. I'm in the odd position now of hearing it and thinking it sounds better.

QuoteHow did that manifest itself? In particular situations or all the time? Did you avoid certain things (like talking, singing) because of it?

Nah, I didn't avoid using my voice. I just avoided listening to recordings of it.

QuoteIs it better now?

Much.

QuoteDid you ever do some voice coaching?

No, but I have done voice acting and training, and practice with it quite often.

QuoteWhat have you done about it except for HRT?

Just experimented, really.

QuoteDid HRT help with it?

Yes. There's no way it would have improved sufficiently for me without HRT. Even though I had a wide range and a fairly deep voice to begin with, it would never have been taken for male.

QuoteDid passing help with it? Or does it just out you all the time?

Passing with it now is easy.

QuoteWas your voice deep/high for your assigned gender to begin with?

Was on the low/deep end.

QuoteAre you okay with it now? Or have you come to terms with it anyhow? How? (haha, that rhymes  !)
Anything you wanna share,  !

I don't think I have a brilliant voice, but it's a lot more tolerable than it was before. It rests in the male section of the Hz chart for voices comfortably and doesn't sound like a teenager at this point (1 yr HRT). It might well drop some more, as a sort of Adam's apple has been forming as well. 

So, do you or did you have it?
You bet I had it!
How did that manifest itself? In particular situations or all the time? Did you avoid certain things (like talking, singing) because of it?
All the time I had to speak and hear that voice I hated it, found it ridiculing me as a person and it made me cringe. I avoided speaking. I didn't even greet people when I entered somewhere or talked to the salespeople in stores because being read as an arrogant unfriendly man was still way better than being labeled a woman. Everything is better than being wrongly labeled or seen as a woman. This voice made a fool out of me.
Is it better now?
It's gone now I have a deep manly voice now even though I want it to get even deeper because I have a thing for bass voices and I would like to sound like that as well, I still have hopes for my voice dropping further after the hysterectomy
Did you ever do some voice coaching?
Nope.
What have you done about it except for HRT?
Nothing.
Did HRT help with it?
Yes, it cured it.
Did passing help with it? Or does it just out you all the time?
I could have passed just fine even pre-T if it hadn't been for that ugly, degrading voice I had. It wasn't like it always ruined my passing but it often made people at least question and I could actually see when I looked at them how their brains worked like that:" Is that a poor (cis) bloke who got punished with such a ridiculous voice or is that a (cis) chick who is unfortunate enough to look like a dude and what do I call that person now, when I am wrong he or she will be insulted."
And in some really humiliating situations it just ruined everything without question and that angered me.
Was your voice deep/high for your assigned gender to begin with?
It was rather deep for the wrong gender that they had printed on my ID back then. I found it grossly high regardless of that fact. It doesn't even matter that the endocrinologist has written in his letter from the pre-T examination that my voice was lower than the average female voice. It was still gross and sounded like some strange woman I didn't know to me, period.
Are you okay with it now? Or have you come to terms with it anyhow? How? (haha, that rhymes   !)
Yes, because I finally have a correct man's voice now due to testosterone. I would have never come to terms with the ridicules voice that was like an incredibly bad joke I had to deal with before. 

Sometimes my voice will sound low/deep to me and i become self concious of it. I get called miss on the phone about 90% of the time because most ppl can't really tell the gender of my first name. It's not really feminine it's just ethnic lol

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Wolf as I said you have some great thoughts stuck inside your head!!!!!!! i am sure some are bothered by their voice, I was not one. I got misgendered before transitioning on the phone often. When at home I even got confused with my mother and sister. So my voice has never been real deep to start with. I go to head voice and I get gendered right 100% of the time in person and on the phone. Now seeing me they sometimes mess it up but, not because of voice.

Hi, Purple Wolf

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMSo, do you or did you have it?

Yes.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMHow did that manifest itself? In particular situations or all the time? Did you avoid certain things (like talking, singing) because of it?

When my friends' voices started to change I was terrified. I tried to maintain an even tone and speak gently, and to retain my tone and pitch as I could. My voice did slowly get lower, but for a while I found I could still switch to my original voice at will. I stopped doing so largely because of a reaction I got in high school.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMIs it better now?

If you mean do I like my voice now, I must say no. I've regained the ability to switch, but it takes conscious effort and is hard to do with people who've only known me as male.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMDid you ever do some voice coaching?

I myself have never done any, and don't really think I'd be qualified to do so given the little I know. I myself did get some vocal coaching when I was sixteen or so, but that didn't work out. The tutor tried to teach me to sing, but I hated my new low register and instead of listening to her instructions I just attempted to go higher, so I never made any progress.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMWhat have you done about it except for HRT?

I've tried to learn to make the switch more automatic and to maintain the head voice—I guess that's what people call it—using the minimum effort possible.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMDid HRT help with it?

In a way. I feel more relaxed and free, so it takes less effort now than before I started taking estrogen.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMDid passing help with it? Or does it just out you all the time?

I guess having long hair, no beard and a fairly slender body does help. If I looked more angular, muscular and hairy I'd probably be seen as male even with the best voice I can muster.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMWas your voice deep/high for your assigned gender to begin with?

It gradually got quite low. At the end of high school my range was from around 61 Hz to 780 Hz (not for singing) but I gradually lost the high notes, and now even in best form can just sometimes get up to 550 or so in a forced sqreawk.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PMAre you okay with it now? Or have you come to terms with it anyhow? How? (haha, that rhymes  !)

No, I really can't say I'm OK with my current voice. I loved being able to sing and speak without any effort. I'd still love to. I guess the only way I can recover some of the high range is through stringent training. Perhaps I should make a new year's resolution to put more effort into it?

Quote from: dist123 on December 22, 2017, 06:23:31 PM
Sometimes my voice will sound low/deep to me and i become self concious of it. I get called miss on the phone about 90% of the time because most ppl can't really tell the gender of my first name. It's not really feminine it's just ethnic lol

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I have sometimes low/deep voice sometimes its more girly, thats where i get self conscious and what affects my disphoria more, as im just living in boy mode 

My voice dysphoria was literally the worst aspect of my dysphoria. And it doesn't help that my native accent is something most people consider "stupid." It was so bad I suffered from selective mutism--that is, I literally physically couldn't force myself to speak in public when I was anxious. I started out alto-ish, but even though my range wasn't super high for an AFAB person, it felt so wrong.

I selfishly took linguistics classes in college with a professor who studies my dialect for the sole purpose of reverse engineering it and learning to loose the accent, and to learn to articulate stuff like a guy would. I did manage to lose the accent without any individualized coaching, which I'm proud of, but it didn't help my dysphoria much.

Fortunately, HRT did the trick. I no longer cringe when I hear my own voice, and I always pass as a guy on the phone when I want to.

There's a good chance it'll continue to get lower, since it hasn't quite settled yet. I'm a little sad about that, since I'm loving being able to sing along with all the stuff written for tenors. But that's still so much better than where I started out.

I found a recording of pre T voice and compared to post T voice. The difference is massive.

It still sounds deeper in my own head that in does in a recording. Still, my voice issues have all but gone now. If I shout, like as deep a tone I can manage at someone, it's surprisingly masculine-sounding and a bit startling to hear because of it.

What annoys me is that my stupid doctor thought my dose was too high when it wasn't, so for a few months back there I wasn't getting enough T and didn't know it. Hopefully it didn't affect the voice lowering window or drop amount too much. I did NOT want to mess with the T dose while all the crucial stuff was developing. Thanks to bad advice I might have affected some of it but I hope not.

Occasionally I do, but I've always had a high voice even as a man, so that was one thing I wasn't freaking out about in transitioning. I've always been referred to as ma'am or miss in situations where they don't know my gender for sure (like phone calls or at drive thru windows), but lately because i'm so much more careful with how I sound, occasionally it seems like my voice is too deep. Could be just that i'm focusing too much on it.

Voice didn't really bother me until it was the only thing left to bother me.  Now I struggle with it, but not seriously enough to perfect it.  I still like the freedom of speaking without thinking about it.  Being in the closet was such pretense.  Altering my voice sometimes feels like it.  Still, I try.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PM
So, do you or did you have it?

Yes, a bit.  I wish my voice sounded more plausibly feminine.

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How did that manifest itself? In particular situations or all the time? Did you avoid certain things (like talking, singing) because of it?

I am just self-conscious about my voice.  It doesn't limit my activities.  But singing?  No, I don't think so.  I sing baritone.  Singing a baritone part as a woman?  Now that would be severely dysphoric!  When I sing the national anthem, I try to sing it an octave high now to avoid being a baritone.  Fortunately that's something I ony do in a crowd.

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Is it better now?

In a sense, it's worse.  Before I started transitioning, I never thought about my voice.

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Did you ever do some voice coaching?

Yes.  It helped me understand what I needed to work on, as well as what was and wasn't possible or reasonable.

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What have you done about it except for HRT?

Well, the voice coaching helped.  I practice getting into my "head voice" whenever I can.  This summer, I did an hour-long public presentation.  I managed to stay in my head voice for the entire hour, and that really helped me to hit it and keep it for longer periods of time.

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Did HRT help with it?

Nope, not a bit.

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Did passing help with it? Or does it just out you all the time?

I suspect my voice outs me more than anything else.  If I keep my mouth shut, I am probably moderately passable.

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Was your voice deep/high for your assigned gender to begin with?

Baritone, which is mid-range to lower male range.

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Are you okay with it now? Or have you come to terms with it anyhow? How?

I am okay with my voice. 

I realized in my coaching sessions that the desirable female range was not reasonably attainable for me.  The best I can hope for is a deep, husky female voice.  But the other thing I learned in the sessions whas that pitch is not the only characteristic that defines a voice as female.  Intonation is just as important.  Actually more so, because a voice with the right intonation will be judged as female even if the pitch is below the typical female range.  Think Laverne Cox.  My coach played a recording of her voice into her pitch meter: it registered in the male range.  Yet she sounds female because her intonation is good.

I can usually hit my head voice on my first try now, and I can sustain it for a full conversation.  There are some exceptions.  If I am dehydrated (thanks, spiro!) it is harder to hit it.  Same if I am tired.  And, if I cough, I can only cough in male range.  Oh, and shouting: I can only shout in male voice.  It works when scolding a strange dog - more authoritative - but embarassing when trying to present female in a noisy environment.

Most of all, I have stopped obsessing about passing.  I dress nicely; I try to control my voice; I work on my posture and walk.  After that, I let the chips fall where they may.  If I get clocked, who cares?

I am one of those that hate my voice, or to hear my voice - before and after.  I recall one time when my wife and I were out in Vegas old town having a bite to eat in a rare quiet place.  It's a newer little microbrewery place.  She got out drinks and we were sitting together talking and just enjoying being together, and of course people watching.  At one point she looked at me and started to giggle.  Being very self-conscious, I got that terrified look and said, "what???"  She said that I let my voice slip and my voice didn't match me and it just struck her as funny.  ugh

I've had many people help me with my voice.  From a choir teacher when I was 14 that knew and was willing to help me to self-help to professional help.  My voice was pretty deep to begin with, so it's an uphill battle for me.  Hormones didn't help.  Voice is something I struggle with most every day. 

Quote from: KathyLauren on December 24, 2017, 06:45:09 PMBut the other thing I learned in the sessions whas that pitch is not the only characteristic that defines a voice as female.

Right! In fact, pitch has almost nothing to do with how we gender voices. I think only if you were hearing a really staticky recording of a voice and pitch was literally the only thing you could make out....then it would be relevant. But I deliberately speak in a lower pitch now, because when I'm not focusing on pitch, I can focus on the things that actually feminise my voice.

I swing wildly between feeling pretty suicidal about my voice, and almost liking it. I've tried various tricks to feminise it, some helped, most didn't, and I haven't stuck at anything long enough to see if I'll really get results (a problem of mine in general in life >___< ). I was focusing more on pitch recently, and well, listening back, it was a bit pathetic. Clearly male and trying too hard. So like I said, I now deliberately talk at a lower pitch, just keeping my throat as tight as possible, and my voice swings between androgynous and male over the course of the sentence. However, face-to-face, people often say it sounds female, because they meet me as a girl, I look like a girl (a very trans girl, but a girl nonetheless), and so, because my voice isn't full-on baritone, they interpret it as female.

I desperately hope that I'll be able to do better with it someday, and find a more feminine voice that doesn't require such a physical effort. I'm not on HRT yet, but I hope that when I am, I'll feel things falling into place and that will give me motivation to do better.

J x

Yep, it does cause me dysphoria but I'm trying to do some self coaching to try to raise the pitch gradually.  It's in the upper male range now.  I used to be able (and probably still can but I'm not doing!) to go really deep - think Bing Crosby with a cold. lol

My voice was always deeper than my father's but it's not now.  Also, pronouncing words properly and softening the edges of words has helped.

I downloaded an app to help train my voice and I need to use it more.  I do try to sing along to songs and push my voice slightly higher as I seem to have a gap at the top of my useful range before it goes into the 'micky mouse' range. I need to push the lower edge of that gap higher.

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 22, 2017, 04:44:05 PM
Simple question!

So, do you or did you have it?
How did that manifest itself? In particular situations or all the time? Did you avoid certain things (like talking, singing) because of it?
Is it better now?
Did you ever do some voice coaching?
What have you done about it except for HRT?
Did HRT help with it?
Did passing help with it? Or does it just out you all the time?
Was your voice deep/high for your assigned gender to begin with?
Are you okay with it now? Or have you come to terms with it anyhow? How? (haha, that rhymes  !)

Mr wolf, your questions are never simple, or straightforward

So to answer your little, simple, question with a simplistic answer - yes.

My voice. Oh my voice, where are you? You are not the sounds that I make, although I've done the best so far to keep being invisible in plain sight. Manifest in ramifications, the telephone is a loathsome device, thankful that the little radio I did, I didn't have to hear the recordings, just my voice in a damped room. Pressure to sing is high, as that sound is firmly in the tenor camp, and ancient choral training refuses to die. My heart breaks a little every time at the opera, for oh how I wish to soar, but that time has passed. I am hiding in plain sight, so I must be stubborn, and resist despite the begging and pleading to help out, join in be a part of the section, surrounded - it's my issue not yours, although it's taken personally as an affront, I dread the festive season as the pressure is higher.

What's a little more subtle though, is the awareness of the disconnect - that sound, doesn't get heard. It's like a flag fluttering in the breeze, seen when spotted, but not inescapable, able to engage, or capture attention - glossed over, passed by, silenced by my natal group.

Static in the headphones, the silence of another day.
Noisy in passing, clatter hooves of opinion
Shatter quiet and mask the voices
The brightest light heard clear, stark on the relative darkness.
The shadows, rich in tone, complicity, intimacy hidden
In plain sight hidden
Shades lost, silenced, missed.
Another drab day

Rowan