Quote from: DawnOday on December 10, 2017, 02:36:28 PM
I am so happy that everything is working out. I envy you. And everyone else who has sought their true identities.
In one of my encounters the woman looked down, started laughing, and asked if I was deformed. At the time I remember saying "yes" but that was 20 years before I knew why.

Thank you. I feel very lucky everything worked out. Now if we all understood this earlier, life would have been much simpler.

DES was "unlabeled for use in miscarriage prevention" by the FDA in 1971. It was not banned for human use by the FDA until 2000.

In the 1970s the FDA simply issued their official bulletin in their monthly mailings to doctors offices.

I am likely a victim of DES. All I know is my mom took a prescription given to her by her OB. He was an older doctor at the time. I do not have a micro penis. I do have other features that seem to be even less likely. Somewhere between 7 and 12 weeks or so the bones develop in certain patterns. Testosterone causes the sacroiliac joint and the knees and elbows to form slightly different profiles in males. Somehow I missed that step. No one has a good explaination. DES is still likely.
The penis and exterior genitals form male when exposed to DHT. Regular testosterone will not do the job. In my case my size is all appropriate but aside from a split penile raphe which is not that terribly uncommon, I also had a not fully fused perinial raphe. Instead of fused and a raised ridge I had a kind of soft divit that when I was young hurt to touch kind of like a fresh scar does. Now it is all skin but just sort of a wide darker strip with some red lines. I know too much info right.  I also seem to have a gap in my pelvic floor muscles in the perinium.

As much as I want SRS, now is not the time to have a surgery slow me down. Perhaps in the future. I'd like to see the technology improve a bit. I'm not the least bit ecstatic by how they look in 99% of photos I've reviewed.

Quote from: xAmyX on December 12, 2017, 05:20:35 PM
As much as I want SRS, now is not the time to have a surgery slow me down. Perhaps in the future. I'd like to see the technology improve a bit. I'm not the least bit ecstatic by how they look in 99% of photos I've reviewed.

Don't forget that most of the picts online are when they are still healing. It takes up to a year for everything to settle down to the final look and those pictures you never see online hardly ever.

Honey, I've watched a lot of post op trans porn. I know what it looks like fully healed. Personally, I have not been able to get aroused by it's looks. No matter who did the operation. Pre op trans girls turn me on SO much more!

Naturally, I want to look like what I'm attracted to, this way I can be attracted to myself. *Cackle*

Don't get me wrong, I'm pansexual and love vaginas too, but only natal female vaginas. Neovaginas do not cut it for me. My eyes can see every little detail and clearly identify it as a wound, which is not going to turn me on. If anything, it's going to do quite the opposite. Doesn't mean I wouldn't date a post op trans woman though. Life isn't solely about sex. The person matters most to me. Just grammatically showing that it's lower on my list of preferences as far as genitalia goes.

A post op trans man's genitalia being two steps lower than that.

For me: trans female penis > natal female vagina > natal male penis > trans female vagina > trans male vagina > trans male penis (if you can call it that). Everyone has their own preferences. These are mine.

As far as human beings go. I'll love everyone equally. I'll hug, kiss, love, and cherish anyone that shows affection for me, when I desire to show affection myself. That's where the real bonding is. The quickest way to my heart is making me feel important. That's when my heart starts to melt, and I'm forever bound to you until you set me free.

Although people have done nothing but take advantage of me because of that, and now I'm building up a tougher wall.

I hate when someone goes out of their way to make me massively fall in love with them, only to then break up with me because of my love for them. F#@%ing A@#holes! If you don't want such powerful love from me, either do what I would prefer, f#@$ off and not date me at all, or the next best thing, bring me into your life at a rate you can handle, and if that happens to not be enough for me personally, I will be the one to leave. I hate to do it, but I have to learn how to defy my own heart in such cases, because if I don't, that person is just going to leave me anyways.

Better now than later!

Sorry for going a bit off topic everyone. Cary on.

I am also a DES baby. Last time I researched it they had only studies on DES daughters, incomplete info on DES sons. My mother and I believed that had something to do with why I tended toward the feminine. It was introduced about 1949, but by 1952 they knew it did not prevent miscarriages, which it was originally proposed to do. They also knew it would cause birth defects. They still kept it on the market until 1972. So now we have baby boomers who have children that have so many defects they cannot function in society. To my knowledge my penis was average before hrt, but. I know some men that are huge, so who knows? Merry Christmas!

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Thanks Deborah. I stand corrected on the origin date. I got the info in 1985 from a website of a DES support group on a pamphlett my mom left in her drawer before she died. I actually printed out all the pertinent articles from the website. I think it is lost now. As so much of my life is now.
I would appreciate any response to my intro. It really tore me up writing it.

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DES is not the end all be all solution to ->-bleeped-<-. Most of us assume because of the time we were born and symptoms we may have. I for example besides the micro penis, I also had late descending testicles. On the defective/underdeveloped banner I also have a deformed heart, Congestive heart failure, arteriosclerosis, myopathy, depression, diabetes. Or about 7 of 10 symptoms of DES poisoning. The other thing I use to come to this conclusion beside the length of time I have been questioning, is that I was married to my dream girl. She was smart, beautiful, driven, a boys dream and nympho. When we dated we were together for a couple nights a week. Being married is much different and I had never lived on my own. I could not overcome my secret desires no matter how hard I tried. And the sex was different. There is a certain element of danger when you are making love in the back seat of the car while parked at Belmont Shore, or the drive in. But quite different when sharing a bed. As much as I wanted to, I could not. I ended up seeking out someone who did not care about sex as much. I have been married to this person for the last 35 years. We have two kids. I never stopped thinking about being a woman and it was finally coming between us. We addressed the ghosts in the room and we are all the better for it. I wish I could find the medical records to affirm the poisoning but the government was corrupt long before now and they protected the pharmaceutical companies after the payouts to the women who got cancer. Besides If DES was the cause, then Evangelicals would not have a leg to stand on. http:\\DESACTION.ORG  Des Sons  I wish I had proof positive but I do have a preponderance of evidence.

Quote from: KITTYCINDERS on December 25, 2017, 09:31:31 PM
I am also a DES baby. Last time I researched it they had only studies on DES daughters, incomplete info on DES sons. My mother and I believed that had something to do with why I tended toward the feminine. It was introduced about 1949, but by 1952 they knew it did not prevent miscarriages, which it was originally proposed to do. They also knew it would cause birth defects. They still kept it on the market until 1972. So now we have baby boomers who have children that have so many defects they cannot function in society. To my knowledge my penis was average before hrt, but. I know some men that are huge, so who knows? Merry Christmas!

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If you look at the diagram in this article under "Male Genital Development":

https://www.hormonesmatter.com/maternal-des-exposure-intersex-development-males/

it shows how micropenis occurs. Penile development is split into two phases. The first takes place during weeks 7 to 12 after conception, and is when the labia fuse together to form the scrotum and the shaft of the penis, and the urethral opening migrates to the tip of the penis. If something goes wrong with your androgen production during this stage, you develop hypospadias (and in more severe cases, labioscrotal fusion might not occur, so you're born with two labia and an internal pouch rather than a scrotum).

The second stage of penile development takes place during the remainder of the pregnancy (labeled "external genital growth" on that diagram), and is where the penis elongates. During that time, the testicles also descend from the abdomen, via the inguinal canal, into the scrotum, following which the inguinal canal is supposed to close up (although in my case, on one side it didn't, causing a hydrocele to form). If something goes wrong with your androgen production during this time, you end up with a penis that is shorter than it would otherwise have been (in extreme cases resulting in a micropenis). You can also end up with undescended testicles, or problems such as hydroceles or inguinal hernias because your inguinal canals didn't close up properly.

Quote from: xAmyX on December 09, 2017, 02:25:12 PM
I'm not intending to brag, but I was the opposite. My penis was ridiculously huge. People would freak out when I showed them it. After switching to hormone therapy, the size cut down to around 8 inches. I'm happy with that. I don't need people worrying about a python snooping around their back garden. The funny thing is, even after taking hormones, my penis was still bigger than my ex-boyfriend's penis. I could tell that made him feel very insecure.

Excessive amounts of LOL for his masculine insecurity. His ex-girlfriend has a bigger penis than him.

It also occurred to me that a conversation about micropenises might be a good thing for a trans guy to read?  Depending on whether the whole "clearing the fly" thing causes dysphoria to him......