Quote from: Roll on January 10, 2018, 10:38:20 PM

Isn't a good bit of the fat % for cis women part of the uterine lining?

No.  That is completely and utterly not true.

Quote from: Lexi Nexi on January 10, 2018, 10:43:21 PM
Yeah I thought it was like 12% or 10%. Wikipedia time!

Wiki says lean for women is 21-25%, and 14-17% for men. Very lean will be 14-20% for women and 7-14% for men. So, i rest my case.

Quote from: rmaddy on January 11, 2018, 12:19:57 AM
No.  That is completely and utterly not true.

I'm trying to remember what it was I read, it was a while back now well before I was even thinking about transitioning (was trying to explain to my sister she isn't fat maybe like a year and a half or two ago). But there was something to do with essential fat for women and reproductive health, where the higher body fat recommendations were based around that and not cosmetics of breast tissue and what not. I thought I remembered it talking about the uterine lining, but not surprised I am mistaken since it has been so long. Whatever it was, it seems that it wouldn't apply to trans women making the normal female fat %s not quite accurate?

Quote from: Deborah on January 11, 2018, 12:04:18 AM
The problem for trans women is that we tend to accumulate fat around the waist.  So at 25% you just end up with a big round belly. 


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I don't mind that provided it also goes to the hips and butt. I just hate the manly belly.

Quote from: Lexi Nexi on January 12, 2018, 01:02:23 PM
I don't mind that provided it also goes to the hips and butt. I just hate the manly belly.

I think there is a balance there. Lose too much and the hips go, keep too much and the belly is there. I figure a little above what is 'normal' (stupid word for weight...) is probably ideal to pad out the large male bones. Going skinny won't be terribly helpful.

Women also accumulate fat at the waist, in addition to the thighs, buttocks, arms and breasts.  There is really no way to gain breast/butt fat without gaining at the other sites, nor is there a way to lose at the belly without losing at the other sites.

The good news?  There are ways of learning to dress to adorn the beautiful sculpture that you already effin' are.

Quote from: rmaddy on January 15, 2018, 03:31:57 PM
Women also accumulate fat at the waist, in addition to the thighs, buttocks, arms and breasts.  There is really no way to gain breast/butt fat without gaining at the other sites, nor is there a way to lose at the belly without losing at the other sites.

The good news?  There are ways of learning to dress to adorn the beautiful sculpture that you already effin' are.

Thats good to know. How come your info box has no info?

Quote from: Lexi Nexi on February 24, 2018, 01:42:35 AM
Thats good to know. How come your info box has no info?

Think it means she closed her account? 

Quote from: Roll on February 24, 2018, 08:41:29 AM
Think it means she closed her account? 

I figured it out that means they kicked her off violating terms of service. If each info box said "Banned" like on most forums people/new members would start asking why or calling it unfair. I always like to remind people that forums are not democracies protected by freedom of speech or what they would deem as fair like in court. Rather you quietly make them go away and people think they just stopped posting quieting unrest before it starts. It's their forum they can do what ever they want and you have to play by their rules as they always point out in their "TOS" or "terms of service" like how gmail can just delete your gmail account with the only explanation being you broke the rules. Even though the members donate it's still not their forum. Once you realize this it's much easier. Eliminates drama and headache on their end and keeps things on topic.

Quote from: Lexi Nexi on February 24, 2018, 11:23:19 AM
I figured it out that means they kicked her off violating terms of service. If each info box said "Banned" like on most forums people/new members would start asking why or calling it unfair. I always like to remind people that forums are not democracies protected by freedom of speech or what they would deem as fair like in court. Rather you quietly make them go away and people think they just stopped posting quieting unrest before it starts. It's their forum they can do what ever they want and you have to play by their rules as they always point out in their "TOS" or "terms of service" like how gmail can just delete your gmail account with the only explanation being you broke the rules. Even though the members donate it's still not their forum. Once you realize this it's much easier. Eliminates drama and headache on their end and keeps things on topic.

Hi Lexi Nexi,

   Your comment above is not quite correct. There are several reasons why there may be nothing it the user's information box. The only thing that you can be sure of is that the account has been closed. It is true RMaddy is no long a member for whatever reason. I am not even sure what the reason was as there was no report made to explain it. I am pretty sure there would have been one if a TOS violation was involved.
   As far as the rest of your comments you are correct in pointing out that this forum and many others are privately owned sites each with their own set of rules. This site like most is not a democracy. There is one owner and a staff that help run the site. For the most part I think it is run pretty well and it is a joint effort in all the various aspects of the site. But the ultimate authority of the site is Susan. As long as we user's (yes staff are users) comply with the stated Terms of Service and the User Agreement it runs pretty well for all of us. I know I like it here and hope that everyone else does also.  Just to cover two important items in the TOS that are good for all of us to keep in mind.  Those being 2 & 3.

2. Any attempts to stage protests, dispute the site policies, the TOS/rules, or actions of the staff; in the public areas of this site will not be tolerated and will result in your removal. If you have any issues, contact Susan by email, or forum private message, and not bring these types of issues into the public spaces on this website. For the proper way to handle problems of this nature see item #20 below.

3. Posting is a privilege, not a right. We have the inherent right to block access to our services to anyone for any reason. We also have the right to disable or remove from any account features and/or functionality of this website, and to edit or remove any posting from any forum for any reason.

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I think that it just takes time. For some reason I believe that I read somewhere that muscle and fat redistribution happen most in 3 to 7 years.

My fat is changing and muscles shrinking, finally, but it is slow. I am 5' 10" weigh 200 lbs, yeah I got some fat, I just measured my arms and they are 15" at the bicep. Down an inch from last year. It is taking forever but I am beginning to have hope that it'll all look okay when done. Genetics are a real pain.

Quote from: Laurie on February 24, 2018, 05:04:32 PM
Hi Lexi Nexi,

   Your comment above is not quite correct. There are several reasons why there may be nothing it the user's information box. The only thing that you can be sure of is that the account has been closed. It is true RMaddy is no long a member for whatever reason. I am not even sure what the reason was as there was no report made to explain it. I am pretty sure there would have been one if a TOS violation was involved.
   As far as the rest of your comments you are correct in pointing out that this forum and many others are privately owned sites each with their own set of rules. This site like most is not a democracy. There is one owner and a staff that help run the site. For the most part I think it is run pretty well and it is a joint effort in all the various aspects of the site. But the ultimate authority of the site is Susan. As long as we user's (yes staff are users) comply with the stated Terms of Service and the User Agreement it runs pretty well for all of us. I know I like it here and hope that everyone else does also.  Just to cover two important items in the TOS that are good for all of us to keep in mind.  Those being 2 & 3.

2. Any attempts to stage protests, dispute the site policies, the TOS/rules, or actions of the staff; in the public areas of this site will not be tolerated and will result in your removal. If you have any issues, contact Susan by email, or forum private message, and not bring these types of issues into the public spaces on this website. For the proper way to handle problems of this nature see item #20 below.

3. Posting is a privilege, not a right. We have the inherent right to block access to our services to anyone for any reason. We also have the right to disable or remove from any account features and/or functionality of this website, and to edit or remove any posting from any forum for any reason.

Laurie
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Laurie@susans.org

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Thank you for your explanation. As far as #2 since you said "your" if I wanted to do that I would have already. It's not that hard to ruin a forum with a handful of people and a few hours of time. When I was younger and had no morals and too much time on my hands I would do that for people who had "rival" forums and extra money to spend. If I wanted to do that rule number one is don't tell how you would do that so in good faith here are things to lookout for: One or two members will be felt they were treated unfairly usually because they were. They start planting seeds of doubt in the forum. The will set up traps by committing acts in the "gray area" of whats acceptable and whats not; things that will make the mods look like dictators and oppressors of the members. They draw comparison to public events where a group was oppressed. They form a group of people then start making multiple accounts with proxies but not from ip's that come from africa or russia but countries that follow the demographics of the site using info they find about the site from google ad services and search/page rank sites. They find how the sites hosted and how much they pay for bandwidth. The also see what the monthly budget is and how much resources they will need to exceed that though a ddos and other more creative and less obvious means. While this is happening they offer  the members a new forum to post in where there is an emphasis on free speech mocking the other sites TOS and making the most "oppressed" members of the old site "moderators" with really no permissions to do anything but they will have something the old forum didn't give them and something they value and feel they earned they will lose if they go back to the other forum. They keep doing this at optimum times monitoring traffic and times when people post. This becomes a war of attrition recruiting young kids who have noting better to do and want to be hackers. So give the members a place to post while the site is down: forms can be addictive and people want that constant instant gratification and will switch easily like addicts that found a new dealer. Every time the site goes down the bandwidth bill goes up. After a huge hosting bill or two the forum will try to raise money but can't because its always down. People make a large number of small donations with to intention that the forum is doing well money gets spent but right at the end of the month before the payments go through their payment processor gets nailed with charge backs and reports they are doing something wrong. Rather then deal with it they suspend the account: paypal loves to do this and keep/hold the money for months if not indefinitely. Combine this with a huge hosting bill and you might be able to get them to close down because it happens quickly and lasts two payment periods. You can do this with about 4 people and not much money money, money you can get through donations of the see members the forum gets them from. So if you see the warnings be aware but at the same time try to be lenient; nobody like to fell censored. Like I said if I wanted to do this I would but I'm an adult now and to be honest I just really don't care what happens on the internet; to me it's not real. The rule is :speed aggression and surprise: good hackers make no threats and it will just happen one day. Of course there are a whole bunch of little details that are necessary to pull this off but people can figure that out on their own.