It's not necessarily a bad feeling, just alien.  ...does that qualify as a pun? 

Quote from: Jaimey on March 03, 2008, 07:54:48 PM
It's not necessarily a bad feeling, just alien.  .

Do you think this is a similar feeling to relating with Androids?

Quote from: NickSister on March 03, 2008, 08:05:47 PM

Quote from: Jaimey on March 03, 2008, 07:54:48 PM
It's not necessarily a bad feeling, just alien.  .

Do you think this is a similar feeling to relating with Androids?

Actually, it could be.  It's sad, but reading some of those manga about androids, I sometimes think I'd be just as content to have an android as a real human.  And other times I wouldn't mind just being an android myself. 

I wish I was an android all the time.

Well, I always thought I had a decent vocabulary...until I saw the word "dysphoria" and had to look it up.

If I really understand the definition of "dysphoria" correctly, I'm not sure if this counts. But, I hate being covered in hair. And I mean covered. Like, on the backs of my fingers and even on my toes. I'm the family silverback, though it's not silver yet. Yet.

Ideally, I would have no hair whatsover save for that which is on the TOP of my head. My pot belly has nothing to do with somatic dysphoria; I just need to get off my hirsuit backside and exercise. My face is a bit too angular for my tastes, but I'm not sure if all these things count as the opposite of euphoria.

I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.

Quote from: shades.ogrey on March 03, 2008, 10:34:20 PM
Well, I always thought I had a decent vocabulary...until I saw the word "dysphoria" and had to look it up.

If I really understand the definition of "dysphoria" correctly, I'm not sure if this counts. But, I hate being covered in hair. And I mean covered. Like, on the backs of my fingers and even on my toes. I'm the family silverback, though it's not silver yet. Yet.

Ideally, I would have no hair whatsover save for that which is on the TOP of my head. My pot belly has nothing to do with somatic dysphoria; I just need to get off my hirsuit backside and exercise. My face is a bit too angular for my tastes, but I'm not sure if all these things count as the opposite of euphoria.

I think dysphoria includes a kind of confusion as to why your body is not right for you, or an outright dislike or hatred of it.  In the context of gender/sex.

I think

Quote from: Max on March 03, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.

Too bad there are no breast transplants. We could match up those who want to get rid of theirs with those who want them.

Simone

Quote from: Simone Louise on March 04, 2008, 09:16:37 AM

Quote from: Max on March 03, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.

Too bad there are no breast transplants. We could match up those who want to get rid of theirs with those who want them.

Simone

I think fat transplants would be fantastic.  Take excess from me and give it to someone who really needed it.     heheh.  Or I could just get off my fatass and work out.  *sigh*

Quote from: Jaimey on March 05, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
I think fat transplants would be fantastic.  Take excess from me and give it to someone who really needed it.     heheh.  Or I could just get off my fatass and work out.  *sigh*

transplant some fat onto paris hilton's friend Nicole.

I feel bad for that woman.


I hope you don't really think of yourself as being the "F" word, Jaimey.   Nothing wrong with being overweight if you're generally healthy.  I understand you're probably just goofing when you use the "F" word.  I call meyself stupid sometimes like that time one second ago when I misspelled the word "myself".

Quote from: Rebis on March 05, 2008, 09:18:02 PM

Quote from: Jaimey on March 05, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
I think fat transplants would be fantastic.  Take excess from me and give it to someone who really needed it.     heheh.  Or I could just get off my fatass and work out.  *sigh*

transplant some fat onto paris hilton's friend Nicole.

I feel bad for that woman.


I hope you don't really think of yourself as being the "F" word, Jaimey.   Nothing wrong with being overweight if you're generally healthy.  I understand you're probably just goofing when you use the "F" word.  I call meyself stupid sometimes like that time one second ago when I misspelled the word "myself".

Are you worried about me, Reb?    I feel warm and fuzzy.  I'll try to stop saying the 'F' word.  I don't really mean it in a degrading way...but then again, I might just be trying to motivate myself by using it so often.  I'd say I'm generally healthy, but it wouldn't hurt me to shed some pounds...

...it is worth mentioning that I really like the word "fatass" though.   

fatass is funny.


I was just checking that you weren't messing with your own self esteem.   I understand that kind of self motivation.

Quote from: Rebis on March 06, 2008, 08:02:10 PM

fatass is funny.


I was just checking that you weren't messing with your own self esteem.   I understand that kind of self motivation.

don't take me seriously.   I don't really think much about my body at all.    Is that weird?  I think I just ignore it.  Meh. 

Fatass is a great word...it just rolls of the tongue in such a pretty way...fatass.  I love it.

Quote from: Jaimey on March 06, 2008, 08:09:26 PM

Quote from: Rebis on March 06, 2008, 08:02:10 PM

fatass is funny.


I was just checking that you weren't messing with your own self esteem.   I understand that kind of self motivation.

don't take me seriously.   I don't really think much about my body at all.    Is that weird?  I think I just ignore it.  Meh. 

Fatass is a great word...it just rolls of the tongue in such a pretty way...fatass.  I love it.

fatass looks funny when you read it too 

Quote from: Simone Louise on March 04, 2008, 09:16:37 AM

Quote from: Max on March 03, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.

Too bad there are no breast transplants. We could match up those who want to get rid of theirs with those who want them.

Simone

lol So true! I'd gladly donate for a good cause. ^.~

This topic brings up many interesting thoughts on how we view our bodies.  I am a MtF, and I am more concerned about looking beautiful "in my eyes", than looking totally feminine.  Yes, there are definitely overlaps, but I do not mind if someone pegs me for being "born male", but I would mind if their first response was to think I looked unattractive.
Even though these judgements can be relative and subjective, I have found that the untimate judge of beauty is the way I look in the mirror.  So, if I grow dissatified with a body part, I try to change it first in non-invasive ways.  If that is not possible then I look to some surgery to improve or fix it.

I have been relatively successful on parts below the neck, basically using diet and exercise to get a good look.  But as I grow older, the face is an inescapable problem for mirror watching.  So I find myself looking at cosmetic surgeries to look as I feel I should, when I look in the mirror.

Quote from: Nero on February 08, 2008, 06:17:07 AM

As an androgynee, do you feel any somatic dysphoria? If so, what sort? Are you dysphoric of particular body parts or features? Primary sex characteristics and/or secondary sex characteristics? Or is your dysphoria caused more by the fact that you look like a certain binary gender?

Oh goodness me, yes.  Great green steaming, heaving, ugly lumps of dysphoria.

Most of mine has to do with being big on top.  I'm not so worried by the presence or absence of anything south of the border, although my monthly visitor makes me want to lock myself in a shed for a week.  In my head I don't have a phantom male unit so much as a phantom convolution which is something like both units.

On a good day I can tolerate just about everything except the top and as long as I'm wearing something that flattens me a bit I feel more or less functional.  On a bad day I just want the earth to swallow me up, double-Ds, soft flabby arms, round face, squeaky voice, poor muscle tone and all.  Some nights I can't get to sleep because of the way my body feels.  Some days I can't bear to leave the house; I'll spend all day piling on sports bras, swimsuits, control tops, baggy shirts, and eventually I'll just give up and stay home lifting weights.

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Second question:

If you answered yes, that you do feel some somatic dysphoria - have you any notions or theories on why that may be seeing as you are non-binary?

I honestly don't know.  I keep trying to talk myself out of the dysphoria by telling myself that it doesn't matter: I know I'm not a guy, I'm as much female as I am male, so so what if I look more like one than the other?  Somehow it doesn't help.  Everything just feel wrong, alien, disgusting; it gets more so the older I get.

Well as for me I am 62 and I feel that I was very lucky getting what results I got from HRT. I certainly know that I am not a beauty queen, or even a credible drag queen, but what I have I am satisfied with. I have grown to realy love and admire the little lady with the long Hippy hair that I have evolved to be in the past 8 years.

Cindy

Quote from: NickSister on February 12, 2008, 03:57:56 PM
My own yearning is very undefined. I have this concept that I should be this sensual feminine creature but I don't want to be a woman. I'm happy with the boy bits, don't even mind being a bit hairy (apart from facial hair that is), but would love the curves of a woman to move as they do. Perhaps all we really want is to be angels.

Same here. Well said.

I defiantly have Dysphoria about my chest and bum
would like to have a voice that covered the whole range not just low bass
I do Like my beard though