Hiya..

Trying to achieve my Healthy BMI weight is very hard.. At the moment I am 88kg and 177 Tall.. I wonder if my boobs are making me heaver..! LOL.. I did read that the older you get the BMI scale tends to be a bit iffy..

I clicked between Female and Male at this link below but it makes no difference to the values.. I am just under OverWeight. eeeks..!!..  https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/your-heart/know-your-risks/healthy-weight/bmi-calculator

I do not feel fat, but I want to loose some weight anyway.. Easy to put on very hard to take off. One thing is certain, the slimmer I get, the more pronounced my boobs are.. Quite perky really

Apparently, natural females store their fat in their thighs and buttocks where as a natural male stores their fat in their tummy. My tummy is a little pronounced but.. not so sure its 10kgs worth of fat, since it seems I need to be no heavier than 78kg, but between 58 and 78kg.. Oh man..!.. If I was 58kg I would be like a twig.. So even if I lost 10kg, I would be at the top healthy scale of 78kg.. So going by this BMI scale I really need to loose 20kg to be slap bang in the middle of my Healthy BMI... 20KG!!!

So, are we all doing OK with our BMI's.. Many surgeons will not operate if you are way over your BMI.. When I came back from Thailand last year after GRS, I was very sick and spent nearly 2 weeks in hospital with a very yuck infection caused by a hematoma.. I lost heaps of weight, down to 76kg.. I felt skinny and weak, but that only puts me just above mid range BMI..

I keep wondering if being on HRT over time, changes the fat distribution.. I was hoping that my Buttocks and Thighs would fill out a bit more.. Not sure if it will ever happen... Bing on HRT, there are some things we know visually occurs, like skin texture and boobs.. Some hair loss on the body but not around the face, and in my case no further head hair loss.. Its what we do not see I am very curious about.. I guess the younger you are when starting HRT, the more changes might occur..

TR...

T will move body fat around but don't expect it to do anything with your bones. Some of the problem can be offset by building upper body strength but if your over the maximum BMI, it's likely you will end up with fat where you don't want it. Your belly and spare tire are places that the excessive fat could end up.

The reverse is true for MTFs on estrogen. We see fat gain in the rear, hips and bust as long as we maintain a proper BMI but if we gain excessive weight, it can end up other areas.

I suspect the reason you felt weak after the weight loss is because you lost weight far to fast. A proper weight loss program would be no more than 2 or 3 pounds a week however a slower rate of loss might be better.

Yes, I did loose weight very fast. I had no energy for anything..  I was amazed actually.. My goal is to get to about 75kg by just eating all the right things.. I feel for me that would be a healthy weight for my hight. Years gone by, I used to be 60kg when I was around 23 yr old. Lots of running. My issues was my shape was straight, no form. I really want to put some weight on my thighs and booty.. Top area is going OK... I am about a size 12 but want to be 16 ... Not sure if thats even possible..

TR..

BMI is bs. Their formula doesn't work well on some. My BMI is 34, but my body fat percentage is 29-30%. The tables they use represent some mythical average. It's like as height increases, things like density and bone structure don't matter. We're all the same width, just taller. I call bs on it. Body fat percentage is the better indicator.


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Quote from: Dena on February 12, 2018, 07:15:00 PM
T will move body fat around but don't expect it to do anything with your bones. Some of the problem can be offset by building upper body strength but if your over the maximum BMI, it's likely you will end up with fat where you don't want it. Your belly and spare tire are places that the excessive fat could end up.

The reverse is true for MTFs on estrogen. We see fat gain in the rear, hips and bust as long as we maintain a proper BMI but if we gain excessive weight, it can end up other areas.

I suspect the reason you felt weak after the weight loss is because you lost weight far to fast. A proper weight loss program would be no more than 2 or 3 pounds a week however a slower rate of loss might be better.

Too rapid weight loss usually takes muscle with it. It's possible to not change body fat percentage much with rapid loss. Some call it fat skinny. Adequate protein intake will mitigate it to so extent.


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Quote from: Gertrude on February 14, 2018, 08:55:40 AM
BMI is bs. Their formula doesn't work well on some. My BMI is 34, but my body fat percentage is 29-30%. The tables they use represent some mythical average. It's like as height increases, things like density and bone structure don't matter. We're all the same width, just taller. I call bs on it. Body fat percentage is the better indicator.

I completely agree. However, BMI continues to be used in clinical settings to determine things like weight-based dosing of medications, evaluation of obesity, etc.  At least in the medical education programs related to my job.

Well, to be in the middle of my BMI range I will have to be about 67kg.. Not so sure that would be my ideal weight.. I do not have a hip, so I will be very straight from the chest down.. I really do not want to loose the weight around my thighs.. In fact I want to put more weight on my thighs and butt.. I might have been 67kg or less when I was 18 but I really do not feel it would be OK now. According to my BMI scale, I am over weight. By about 10kg. Thats fair enough.. I will get down to 78kg, which I like but my goal will be 75kg.. Anything less I feel will be far too much but still high mid range according to the BMI scale..

When I was in the RAAF, the BMI scale was very important. Every one had to meet their correct BMI and other tests.. Otherwise you would be put on diminished performance.. But body sizes have changed since the years they came up with  the BMI scale. People are getting bigger and taller..

TR...

Quote from: Amy Marie on February 14, 2018, 09:13:04 AM
I completely agree. However, BMI continues to be used in clinical settings to determine things like weight-based dosing of medications, evaluation of obesity, etc.  At least in the medical education programs related to my job.

Look up when Andre the giant needed surgery and how they figured out his dosage. It's not an exact science.


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Quote from: TR on February 14, 2018, 04:02:55 PM
Well, to be in the middle of my BMI range I will have to be about 67kg.. Not so sure that would be my ideal weight.. I do not have a hip, so I will be very straight from the chest down.. I really do not want to loose the weight around my thighs.. In fact I want to put more weight on my thighs and butt.. I might have been 67kg or less when I was 18 but I really do not feel it would be OK now. According to my BMI scale, I am over weight. By about 10kg. Thats fair enough.. I will get down to 78kg, which I like but my goal will be 75kg.. Anything less I feel will be far too much but still high mid range according to the BMI scale..

When I was in the RAAF, the BMI scale was very important. Every one had to meet their correct BMI and other tests.. Otherwise you would be put on diminished performance.. But body sizes have changed since the years they came up with  the BMI scale. People are getting bigger and taller..

TR...

If I went by BMI, I'd have be in low single digits body fat if not st my lbm to meet their criteria. The question I would have for the military and police: does that person pass the physical fitness tests? If so, stfu, to the military or police. On the other hand, I've seen cops that would never pass.


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Quote from: Gertrude on February 14, 2018, 08:55:40 AM
BMI is bs. Their formula doesn't work well on some. My BMI is 34, but my body fat percentage is 29-30%. The tables they use represent some mythical average. It's like as height increases, things like density and bone structure don't matter. We're all the same width, just taller. I call bs on it. Body fat percentage is the better indicator.

Completely agree that the BMI doesn't say anything about your physical healthiness.
But for people who are transitioning there is no proper way to measure the body fat percentage as far as I know.
Before HRT I always used a Tanita scale to determine it, but since I started measuring my body with the opposite sex the reading are so different they can't be accurate. I tried it again last week measuring both as male (21% fat) and as female (33% fat).

As for determining my ideal weight, I stopped using the scale and replaced it with the mirror.

Quote from: Gertrude on February 15, 2018, 10:30:36 PM
If I went by BMI, I'd have be in low single digits body fat if not st my lbm to meet their criteria. The question I would have for the military and police: does that person pass the physical fitness tests? If so, stfu, to the military or police. On the other hand, I've seen cops that would never pass.


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I don't know about the police, but in the military if you're over in the weight tables they then check your bodyfat before you're categorized as overweight.  The military doesn't use BMI.

Here are the Army weight and bodyfat standards for males and females http://www.army-fitness.com


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Quote from: Stella92 on February 16, 2018, 01:34:55 AM
Completely agree that the BMI doesn't say anything about your physical healthiness.
But for people who are transitioning there is no proper way to measure the body fat percentage as far as I know.
Before HRT I always used a Tanita scale to determine it, but since I started measuring my body with the opposite sex the reading are so different they can't be accurate. I tried it again last week measuring both as male (21% fat) and as female (33% fat).

As for determining my ideal weight, I stopped using the scale and replaced it with the mirror.

I've been trying to figure out the bodyfat thing with the scale for a long time by comparing the scale percentage to several caliper tests and to what I look like in the mirror.  The female setting is way high.  For me, the closest settings to reality are either the female athlete or male.  Both usually give similar readings and both are usually still higher than what I think is true.  I think that HRT messes with my morning hydration levels causing elevated readings.


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Well.. Here in Australia the military use the BMI scale. I was in the Royal Australian Air Force and it was important to be within our BMI.. I hated it. I felt fit at 85kg, but felt weak after I lost weight to be within my BMI...

I watch on TV the USA Police programs in action.. I wonder how some of them could actually catch a crook. Too many doughnuts..

I am with Gertrude, I will use the Mirror Options .. and floor scales..

I will be happy at 75 to 80 kg. To me thats a healthy scale. Its far too hard to reach my so called healthy BMI.. I will still be within it, but not perfect. Thats good enough for me. My doctor has not made any comment to suggest I am over weight.. He checks my weight each check up..

I think the BMI index is really just a guild..

Prior US army. We never used BMI for anything but something to laugh at as we ate our pizza, drank our beers, and ran 15 miles the next day with a hangover, the drizzle poops and 15% bodyfat. I'm sure it has a use.. but it's not for standardizing the overall fitness of a military force.

Quote from: Deborah on February 16, 2018, 02:49:23 AM
I don't know about the police, but in the military if you're over in the weight tables they then check your bodyfat before you're categorized as overweight.  The military doesn't use BMI.

Here are the Army weight and bodyfat standards for males and females http://www.army-fitness.com


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I don't think they were in the American military


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BMI is a bad metric on its own because it does not account for bone, muscle, and fat proportion.  I am muscular and consistently teeter on the precipice of overweight, but I simply do not have the fat to lose to make it into the 'healthy' range of BMI.

Quote from: Gertrude on February 16, 2018, 10:28:37 AM
I don't think they were in the American military


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You mean the police?  I imagine they have different standards, or maybe no standards, in each place. 


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Quote from: Deborah on February 16, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
You mean the police?  I imagine they have different standards, or maybe no standards, in each place. 


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Decades ago I took a test for county sheriff and they said I should weigh 212lbs based on BMI charts. I was 265lbs at the time. I passed the physical test before the final event and yet I was disqualified for being obese. You should have seen some of the guys on the job. They wouldn't have been able to pass the test I took at all. At that point, I learned that BMI is bs and continued my life long studies in Carlin philosophy of what's bs.


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