That's a contentious issue because some kids are not trans but they are impressionable. There is the risk some of them will go for irreversible operations at an age too young to truly know themselves and if this is really the life path they want to take. I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to suggest this to children without some prior indication a kid is trans, on a case by case basis.

I'd hate to imagine a child go through a full transition surrounded by enthusiastically supportive parents and teachers and whatever else only to later realize this was not the right choice after the child had had irreversible ops and organs removed. It would ruin their life as much as having a trans condition could.

Awareness is increasing but it should be tempered when it comes to kids, in my view. Parents really need to be discerning with it and with their own kid. Some kids know themselves very well at a young age and some don't, some kids are consistent and some aren't.

I agree that some kids are impressionable, especially today when it's such a "big thing" to be trans.  If we all knew about trans from early age... if it wasn't a big deal... if we were all accepted equally, maybe it would be different.   I think that teens who suddenly think they might be trans should find a good gender therapist to explore ALL the avenues... in fact we all should.

But I WAS that boy.  I was a boy that was put in an all-girls class.  And it was like a dementors kiss, robbing my soul of hope. Because of that I got C-PTSD, alexithymia, derealization, etc. If I had known about trans people and been able to say I was a boy, and allowed to socially transition, that wouldn't have happened.

To say they shouldn't allow kids like me to know about trans people, and allow them to socially transition at 5,  is to say I deserve C-PTDS. 

Quote from: LohmanTelshor on February 24, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
I agree that some kids are impressionable, especially today when it's such a "big thing" to be trans.  If we all knew about trans from early age... if it wasn't a big deal... if we were all accepted equally, maybe it would be different.   I think that teens who suddenly think they might be trans should find a good gender therapist to explore ALL the avenues... in fact we all should.

But I WAS that boy.  I was a boy that was put in an all-girls class.  And it was like a dementors kiss, robbing my soul of hope. Because of that I got C-PTSD, alexithymia, derealization, etc. If I had known about trans people and been able to say I was a boy, and allowed to socially transition, that wouldn't have happened.

To say they shouldn't allow kids like me to know about trans people, and allow them to socially transition at 5,  is to say I deserve C-PTDS.

You're right it's so stigmatized to be transgsender.

I will say this. This isn't a general rule but for the most part it is true. By large it's MUCH more socially acceptable to be a tomboy as "girl" than a sissy as a "boy".

Therefore, sadly what happens to mtf young boys is often abuse. The ridicule, the shame for biologically having a penis yet wanting to be seen in a feminine way... it's so twisted how judgemental and cruel society is to us. We're not professing to be victims, we're sharing our experiences.

This is upsetting me as I type and think about.. [emoji17]

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Quote from: FinallyMichelle on February 24, 2018, 02:08:15 AM
Are the people today abusing children by doing what they think is right? Maybe.
I don't think I have an answer and I don't think that we can change it anyway.
I hope tomorrow is better for us all.

Michelle,

I can only imagine how horrible it must have been to go through what you did.
What I do know is that thinking something is right does not make it right.
I also can think of no words to offer. I only hope you can heal.

Quote from: Allison S on February 24, 2018, 07:43:00 PM
I will say this. This isn't a general rule but for the most part it is true. By large it's MUCH more socially acceptable to be a tomboy as "girl" than a sissy as a "boy".

Therefore, sadly what happens to mtf young boys is often abuse. The ridicule, the shame for biologically having a penis yet wanting to be seen in a feminine way... it's so twisted how judgemental and cruel society is to us. We're not professing to be victims, we're sharing our experiences.

I know.  Comparing what happens to trans girls to trans guys is like comparing apples to oranges. 

It wasn't being a tom-boy that scarred me.  It was being deemed a girl and torn away from any hope of finding friends at tender age when everyone naturally gender segregates, finds friends, and learns how to socialize.  I learned that I was alone in life, and 5 years old is not the age at which boys are supposed to learn that. 

Quote from: LohmanTelshor on February 25, 2018, 10:00:13 AM
I know.  Comparing what happens to trans girls to trans guys is like comparing apples to oranges. 

It wasn't being a tom-boy that scarred me.  It was being deemed a girl and torn away from any hope of finding friends at tender age when everyone naturally gender segregates, finds friends, and learns how to socialize.  I learned that I was alone in life, and 5 years old is not the age at which boys are supposed to learn that.

I was responding to what Kylo said more directly.

This is what happened to me too at a young age. I knew I was with the wrong group, the "boys", but I was too much of a wimp to say or do anything at the time...

Now I'm still struggling with that shame to a degree. I think will people see me as a feminine boy? A crossdresser? It's not that either one is good or bad, I don't mind them. I just know I'm neither of those labels- I'm a female.

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Quote from: Kylo on February 24, 2018, 05:07:09 PM
That's a contentious issue because some kids are not trans but they are impressionable. There is the risk some of them will go for irreversible operations at an age too young to truly know themselves and if this is really the life path they want to take. I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to suggest this to children without some prior indication a kid is trans, on a case by case basis.

I'd hate to imagine a child go through a full transition surrounded by enthusiastically supportive parents and teachers and whatever else only to later realize this was not the right choice after the child had had irreversible ops and organs removed. It would ruin their life as much as having a trans condition could.

Awareness is increasing but it should be tempered when it comes to kids, in my view. Parents really need to be discerning with it and with their own kid. Some kids know themselves very well at a young age and some don't, some kids are consistent and some aren't.

As someone who was seriously looking into the feasibility of colpocleisis, due to dissociation at least partly aided by medications as well as being "impressionable" when I was trying to do my due diligence on trans issues, I would heartily second this. The power of suggestion is very real, and therapists are there for a reason. ESPECIALLY where children are concerned.