Quote from: CarlyMcx on February 25, 2018, 07:37:42 PM
Why do some MTF's transition without HRT?

If you're old, heart disease; if you're young, sex.

Erectile function has more to do with mental stimulus than with hormones, so still having it after HRT is pretty common.  But the part of the male orgasm caused by the passage of seminal fluid through the urethra is pretty much over within days or weeks after starting HRT.  And desire diminishes for a lot of people.

You can go from being horny all the time to wanting it only once every two or three weeks.

Some folks would rather combine male sexuality with female beauty.

And some have spouses/SO that prefer the penis.


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Quote from: Transfused on February 25, 2018, 08:00:15 AM
Arisce Wanzer is a MtF who transitioned without HRT.
She passes as long as she doesn't open her mouth. Looks more like a " femboy " than like a cis girl though. She still has the testosterone in her which will also masculinize her over time.
She also still secretes male pheromones.
I wonder how her boyfriend, Laith De La Cruz, who is FtM and cis passing, deals with it.
I guess he is bisexual because how could a straight male be attracted to a male body odor and a deep masculine voice?

She also is as thin as a stick with boobs. That " skinny boy look ".

As long as she is happy I guess.

I personally couldn't have transitioned without HRT.
The mental effects were as important as the physical effects.
Especially halting further masculinization and facial hair development.

I looked very child-like when I transitioned and if I had waited longer I could have had the misfortune of a late puberty setting in.

Estradiol also helped my bone plates fuse.
I will forever be only 5 feet 5 which is a great height for a girl.

My height, my voice and my small posture all were helpful in my transition to female.
The lack of facial hair also helped.

Was almost 20 when I started. Had I waited 5 years more the damage would have been way worse I suspect.

T can do a lot of irreversible damage on MtFs.
FtMs have the luxury of the ability to pass at any age.

I got curious and went to YouTube and watched a video of her and her boyfriend. She's very pretty and certainly passable. I don't think her voice is that bad. It's a little deep but her speech patterns are female. I wouldn't think she's trans seeing her even if she talked. Some CIS women have deeper voices. My grandma gets Sir-ed over the phone a lot. In her case years of smoking have added to that. As far as her boyfriend goes, if they are happy with each other his orientation isn't really important but he could be straight. He is FtM and because of that he knows the struggles of being trans and for him her possible smell and deep voice probably aren't issues for him. As long as she's pretty and feminine in her behavior that's probably all he cares about.

I'm pre-T and I, apparently, smell like a dude - my husband didn't have a crisis of identity about it back when we thought I was a woman. I don't really see how smell is a dealbreaker here for somebody's straightness. In fact, that's pretty silly to think it would.

Quote from: Julia1996 on February 26, 2018, 07:48:38 AM
I got curious and went to YouTube and watched a video of her and her boyfriend. She's very pretty and certainly passable. I don't think her voice is that bad. It's a little deep but her speech patterns are female. I wouldn't think she's trans seeing her even if she talked. Some CIS women have deeper voices. My grandma gets Sir-ed over the phone a lot. In her case years of smoking have added to that. As far as her boyfriend goes, if they are happy with each other his orientation isn't really important but he could be straight. He is FtM and because of that he knows the struggles of being trans and for him her possible smell and deep voice probably aren't issues for him. As long as she's pretty and feminine in her behavior that's probably all he cares about.

I googled some pics as well and she looks absolutely gorgeous. If all that is without HRT then she's one lucky girl.

And to Transfused, I don't really have an answer but this topic reminded me of a Mexican youtuber called Mickey. She's absolutely gorgeous and passable (even her voice) and went from defining herself as an androgynous boy to defining herself as a trans girl but she doesn't take hormones. She made a video about it and said that she feels good like she is now, so she sees no need to take medication. I think she also found it kind of scary. I completely understand where she's coming from, but she's young (23 years old) so I always wonder how long will her feminine looks last, what if with age her body will start masculinizing more. Anyway here's a video of her so you can check her out, and of course is in Spanish:

Both of them are extremely lucky to be so pretty without hrt. But I also wonder what the future will do to them testosterone wise. Personally I would be too scared to risk it.

Maybe they just like a good challenge?

"Yeah, I transitioned 10 years ago.  Without HRT.  No biggie" <breathes on fingernails, polishes them on their shirt>

Quote from: Julia1996 on February 26, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
Both of them are extremely lucky to be so pretty without hrt. But I also wonder what the future will do to them testosterone wise. Personally I would be too scared to risk it.

T drops as you age anyway so long term I suspect it would get easier.

Quote from: krobinson103 on February 26, 2018, 03:08:52 PM
T drops as you age anyway so long term I suspect it would get easier.

Isn't there peak in your late 20s and early 30s? I remember reading something about males getting manlier after their 27th birthday.

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Quote from: Colleen_definitely on February 26, 2018, 02:15:58 PM
Maybe they just like a good challenge?

"Yeah, I transitioned 10 years ago.  Without HRT.  No biggie" <breathes on fingernails, polishes them on their shirt>

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on February 26, 2018, 04:52:08 PM
Isn't there peak in your late 20s and early 30s? I remember reading something about males getting manlier after their 27th birthday.

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Don't know about that. My T started to crash in my 30's and has been on the way down (with or without HRT) ever since. I didn't see any particular problem with that so I encouraged it.

T doesn't drop for everyone with age.  For some it stays high whether for genetic reasons or something else related to diet and health.


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Quote from: Deborah on February 26, 2018, 06:55:43 PM
T doesn't drop for everyone with age.  For some it stays high whether for genetic reasons or something else related to diet and health.


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Mine dropped after I had a bad flu and never came back well. It was down to 134.


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I thought long and hard about HRT, but I'll be starting in March.

Possible health complications were a factor, but on one level my hesitancy was about whether I was a complete woman the way I was, or whether I needed hormones to be a complete woman.

In the end I decided that I was as entitled to run on estrogen as I am entitled to wear contact lenses as a short sighted person.

Also, I am most dysphoric about not having breasts, and the idea of looking down and not seeing a seven inch penis is so appealing.

Hi Freya - I'm at the same point you are, except I don't yet have a start date for HRT. I've decided to start gradually by going herbal at first and growing my breasts as organically as possible. I have the same life issues to work through as most every other older trans woman. I'm preparing myself mentally and emotionally for the losses that I know may come so that, once the dust settles and whatever pieces fall into place do so, I'll start the pharma HRT. I'm so thankful to have found this community. It's so nice to know there are a lot of us girls out there, including the other ladies who are in their middle age and starting late (although I've known my true gender since I was about four years old). I hope for sweetness on the journey for you and for all of us.
XO
Sarah


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What exactly are the health concerns for hrt in ladies who are older?

Quote from: Julia1996 on February 27, 2018, 08:06:21 AM
What exactly are the health concerns for hrt in ladies who are older?

Mainly blood clots which can quickly kill you.  However, one can reduce or eliminate this risk by staying healthy in all the other ways; not smoking, normal bodyfat, good diet, and lots of exercise.  Those who are older that do those four things probably are healthier with a lower risk of negative HRT effects than the vast majority of people at any age.


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An aspirin a day wouldn't hurt. A vena cava filter could be used in cases where clots have happened.


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Quote from: CarlyMcx on February 25, 2018, 07:37:42 PM
Why do some MTF's transition without HRT?

If you're old, heart disease; if you're young, sex.

Erectile function has more to do with mental stimulus than with hormones, so still having it after HRT is pretty common.  But the part of the male orgasm caused by the passage of seminal fluid through the urethra is pretty much over within days or weeks after starting HRT.  And desire diminishes for a lot of people.

You can go from being horny all the time to wanting it only once every two or three weeks.

Some folks would rather combine male sexuality with female beauty.

Or just not care if you don't get it. Thats the way I feel, and in all honesty its better.

Quote from: Transfused on February 24, 2018, 08:23:29 AM
So I know an older trans woman who is in her 40s and she transitioned a year ago.
She underwent breast augmentation, had electrolysis on body and face, had hair transplants and asked people to call her by her new name but she decided to not go on HRT.
I asked her why and she replied : " because I have never been vocal for HRT treatments . "

She also seams rather antagonistic against HRT and SRS.

I myself am a binary trans woman who has been on HRT for two years. One year very low dose, another year low dose and now low-average dose.
I like how I feel on it, my body orgasms are super feminine, I feel energetic and calm.

Why would a trans person not want to go on HRT and enjoy all these mental and physical changes?

Wasn't it difficult for doctors to insert implants in her armpits while she didn't have any previous tissue to work with?

They make you feel normal and change your looks so much but in subtle ways that unless you had 100 different surgeries you couldn't replicate. I can't imagine not taking e. For me it's an anti depressant and makes e feel so natural. I ave no idea what I would do if I wanted to look/be a guy and then have to go off a drug that just "fits" my brain.

E is addictive lol but those that transition without it seem to need a bit more makeup? Or maybe that's just their style.

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