Quote from: alex82 on March 21, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
As a social worker I work alongside a lot of serious disadvantage. I would normally resent being told I was a liberal elitist in a gated community, but that's been Brexiters stock slur from two years now.
Slur?
QuoteThe Visegrad countries signed up to the same common standards that we all did. They cannot expect to leave it all for Italy and Greece to handle the overcrowded boats of Africans either sinking or landing in those (the first countries they reach within the EU). The UK pulled out of funding for Frontex so we've no moral high ground to take.
Yes they did, and if they pull out they will have to manage on their own. But if they want to pull out because they don't want a "quota" of migrants foisted on them that should be their choice.
QuoteFree movement works both ways. I've used it myself and hope to again. There is a serious knock on here for British higher education - currently one of the best.
Yes it does. Too bad with so many people getting that higher education the competition being so high as it is for the "decent paid" job afterwards most successive generations will find themselves being required to leave this country to find work.
QuoteIf people who grew up in rich and stable social democracies, in a peaceful Union, with free health and education, cannot compete with a recently arrived migrant who can hardly speak English then they should probably look to themselves as to why they aren't succeeding at those interviews.
Really. What kind of social worker are you? Let me guess. One who believes in the fabled all-conquering white privilege or something like that? Poor people in "rich" countries don't exist?
You should have been around in 70s and 80s Liverpool. Oh we had a blast pretending to be poor, jobless and disadvantaged in this rich country. Childhood poverty - what a laugh! As for me, I've obviously spent quite a few years pretending to be down and out, eh?
Where's your logic? That's a crass generalization on your part and not one I'd expect from someone who deals impartially with the disadvantaged.
A lot of smaller employers in this country favor the migrants over the natives because they know they can get "more" work out of them, as many don't know their lawful entitlements as well as we do, or they choose to waiver them to work more days and hours and so on. I've been there and seen it myself, I've worked alongside Eastern Europeans, and they do indeed get priority quite often over natives. I live in a village of 2000 people in the middle of nowhere. When I applied for a job across the street in a bar a few years back, guess who was being employed from halfway across the continent in advance despite it being a walk-in position? Yep, Polish and Bulgarians. These employers whine the moment anything threatens their supply of cheap, precarious labour. Now I worked with these economic migrants at the bar and I like them a lot, I like them more than the English bosses because they're personable and hard-working people instead of snobs. If I were them I'd do the same thing, get over here and make money while the going is good. But at the end of the day the village is full of native kids fresh out of school who need jobs too and they're all on the dole when they could be doing these jobs. Not ideal. It's happening all over. As a social worker I'm sure you must be aware of the modern day slavery problem we have in the UK as well; a farm nearby just got busted recently for housing a few hundred illegal workers in terrible conditions. Yes, I think we have a problem here as to why many native employers seem to be "favoring" foreigners, and it's nothing to do with healthy competition.
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Ukraine is in crisis because of Russia and we are already having serious problems with Russia. Third world immigrants have run our hospitals and transport systems for decades, while sending the second generation to higher education. This country would be immeasurably poorer without the largest Indian population outside India, the largest urban Carribean population outside the Caribbean - they are fully British and have added wonderful things to this country.
Can you explain why refugees from Ukraine are apparently less welcome in the EU than ones from Africa or the Middle East, then? Why they get refused?
QuoteThe abysmal job market in some regions has been caused by neoliberal policies pursued at a national level, notably in the north of England and the midlands, and Wales, along with Spain. Those were national policies not EU ones, and they will be continuing in earnest after Brexit.
The migration into this country has been practically open door for the last few decades. This creates a surplus of labour and devalues it. Simple economics. Oh I know, this government and the other one has no intention of applying Brexit to the effect of restricting migration. Nobody up in the corridors of power wants an employee's market. It's the incorrect assumption of the masses that Brexit would a) not be sabotaged politically b) was anything much to do with immigration anyway.
QuoteFishing industries - no, the EU didn't do that. It asked for quotas to prevent overfishing and the U.K. agreed. It could've refused. It as a sovereign state was allowed to handle this agreement in practice in its own way. The British fisherman chose to sell their quotas to trawlers registered in other EU countries so they could lay off the staff, sell the boat, and take a profit for doing bugger all - neoliberal capitalism (as practiced by the UK) is the culprit there - not the EU.
Hmm, tell that to the Cornish people around here.
