Reading some of the posts here, I *think* I might fall under this category. I've always thought my mind has been sorta both genders at the same time - I can see both the views of a boy and girl (quite useful in life actually). When I'm around guys I'm more serious and I talk in a deeper voice... vice versa with I'm around girls. Then it's a lighter voice and a happy-go-lucky attitude. I've done some exploring before and I've found myself to be stuck at 50/50.

What you describe seems similar to my own experiences thus far. At this point, I think of myself as androgyne, maybe borderline TG.

I don't really think of myself as a woman in a man's body. But, I'm not fully comfortable in this body. At the same time, I feel that getting SRS would be just as limiting as keeping the body I have.

It is possible you do fall into this category, but only you can figure it out. It does sound like it, but that could be how you communicate it, or just how you feel at this time in your life. Stick around, see how things work, try it on for size. If it works, then you probably are.

I would say read through as many of the old threads as well, lots of good information in them.

Quote from: lostandconfused on March 15, 2008, 11:26:50 AM
Reading some of the posts here, I *think* I might fall under this category. I've always thought my mind has been sorta both genders at the same time - I can see both the views of a boy and girl (quite useful in life actually). When I'm around guys I'm more serious and I talk in a deeper voice... vice versa with I'm around girls. Then it's a lighter voice and a happy-go-lucky attitude. I've done some exploring before and I've found myself to be stuck at 50/50.

Hi lostandconfused! 

Let's try to help you find yourself... 

'Androgyne' is a gender identity.
Gender identity is a psychological state, the internal sense of being male or female, masculine or feminine, beyond one's biological sex. Androgynes do not feel they are male or female beyond their body's sex. 'Androgyne' is the psychological self-identification of possessing neither masculine gender, nor feminine gender.

Androgyne:
An androgynous person; An androgyne is a person who does not fit cleanly into the typical masculine and feminine gender roles of their society. Many androgynes identify as being mentally "between" male and female, or as entirely genderless or the Third Gender.
Androgynous:
Being neither distinguishably masculine nor feminine, as in dress, appearance, or behavior.
https://www.susans.org/wiki/Terms_and_definitions

Androgyne does not mean "transgender lite or transsexual lite".
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=22474

Androgyne does not mean Bigender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

What you describe about yourself, lostandconfused, sounds similar to Bigender, or perhaps Genderfluid.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gender+fluid

Consider Genderqueer also:
"Genderqueer is a recent attempt to signify gendered experiences that do not fit into binary concepts, and refers to a combination of gender identities and sexual orientations. One example could be a person whose gendered presentation is sometimes perceived as male, sometimes female, but whose gender identity is female, gendered expression is butch, and sexual orientation is lesbian. It suggests nonconformity or mixing of gendered stereotypes, conjoining both gender and gayness, and challenges existing constructions and identities."

-Emerald 

we are a wide and varied group, and you are certainly welcome into the bosom of our weird disjointed family until you find somewhere better - or until you realise you were meant to be in our weird little family.

Yes, we are disjointed, which explains why our clothing appears so ungainly.

Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 10:04:14 PM

Yes, we are disjointed, which explains why our clothing appears so ungainly.

Wait, we are supposed to be wearing clothing?

Quote from: Kir on March 17, 2008, 03:01:19 PM

Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 10:04:14 PM

Yes, we are disjointed, which explains why our clothing appears so ungainly.

Wait, we are supposed to be wearing clothing?

It depends on whether or not you are standing in a grocery store.

Always thinking about nude shopping Rebis... 

Well Lostand confused, I think this is as good a place as any to explore. I'm always a big fan of trying things on so feel free to stay and try on an androgyne identity for size. Even if you find it is not right for you, you are still welcome to hang out.

We forgot to tell you that in order to receive the answer to your question

QuoteAm I "androgyne"?

you must send us all of the money you've ever saved.  If you haven't saved any, you must get a job that pays well, and send everything except your gas money.



The management

Quote from: Rebis on March 17, 2008, 07:13:27 PM

We forgot to tell you that in order to receive the answer to your question

QuoteAm I "androgyne"?

you must send us all of the money you've ever saved.  If you haven't saved any, you must get a job that pays well, and send everything except your gas money.



The management

Where to find a job these days that will have any money left after filling the gas tank of their car to get to and from the job... I know, you could sleep at the job, then you won't need gas money 

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on March 17, 2008, 07:16:49 PM

Where to find a job these days that will have any money left after filling the gas tank of their car to get to and from the job... I know, you could sleep at the job, then you won't need gas money 

Z

Exactly.  I have decided to work 12 extra hours a week (at 7:30 in the morning and on Saturdays) in my windowless pod because I'm a money whore. 

Welcome, lostandconfused!  The best thing to do is hang around.  If you haven't been corrupted yet, we can take care of that. 

Quote from: Jaimey on March 17, 2008, 09:06:03 PMIf you haven't been corrupted yet, we can take care of that. 

SHHHHH. Don't scare the poor thing.

Oh, don't believe them when they start talking initiation. Nothing to worry about.

Quote from: sd on March 17, 2008, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: Jaimey on March 17, 2008, 09:06:03 PMIf you haven't been corrupted yet, we can take care of that. 

SHHHHH. Don't scare the poor thing.

Oh, don't believe them when they start talking initiation. Nothing to worry about.

Yeah. Welcome. And don't mind the talk of initiation. *psst, where's the handcuffs?* Those are just the crazy folks. We are actually a really mild set of folks with a strange sense of humor, all wandering down the path of life, trying to figure out where we belong in this weird world, and trying to have fun while doing it.

Gah, my face and voice, it gets more masculine every day . Would an average androgyne care about this?  Look at me, I'm on a transgender forum and I still seem unable to find a place to fit in  .

Quote from: lostandconfused on March 29, 2008, 03:51:06 PM
Gah, my face and voice, it gets more masculine every day . Would an average androgyne care about this?  Look at me, I'm on a transgender forum and I still seem unable to find a place to fit in  .

I'm not average  but I care that my face (and hair) appear more male as I age.

I also don't always feel that I fit in 

Z

Quote from: lostandconfused on March 29, 2008, 03:51:06 PM
Gah, my face and voice, it gets more masculine every day . Would an average androgyne care about this?  Look at me, I'm on a transgender forum and I still seem unable to find a place to fit in  .

That would depend entirely on the person.
If you are not happy with it, you are not happy with it. That is simply all there is to it. It in itself does not make you and androgyne, nor does it make you not one (though it is likely a sign that you are).

There are things you can do to counter this, some expensive, some cheap. Hair styles, eyebrows, hormones (low dose maybe?), androgen blockers, plastic surgery (there are MANY forms of this, some mild, some extreme), makeup, probably a few others as well. There is even voice surgery to make it higher pitched but it is does not have a great track record for results, a better option would be the same voice therapy mtf's use.

i'd like to meet this average androgyne.

Quote from: Pica Pica on March 29, 2008, 08:57:51 PM
i'd like to meet this average androgyne.

Just as long as there weren't too many of them. That would be boring.

Lost & Confused: you are not alone in feeling that way. Some of us do feel uncomfortable about looking (or starting to look) too masculine (or feminine, as the case may be), and some of us still wonder where we fit in, if ever we do. Some transsexuals and cross-dressers share some of these feelings, but it seems that especially the question of fitting in is more common for androgynes than the rest. This isn't surprising, really, once you think it through.

There are two things that might help here. One is to consider the social aspects of gender as separate from the physical aspects of sex -- whatever way you feel about your body doesn't have to match the way you feel about your social role. Androgyne is a gender, and most of us who identify with it do not have a visible physical intersex condition. The other thing is to consider gender (and sex, too) as a grouping of separate traits, and realise that you don't have to take all the traits (either physical or social) associated with 'male', but are instead free to figure out which ones are important to you.

  Nfr

I thought we weren't using the terms masculine and feminine anymore. Nor were we identifying androgyne traits as we are only psychologically weird. These traits, someone said, are just social constructs or stereotypes (or was it monotypes) and, therefore, not real. And for a sexual man to be concerned about appearance or presentation is only a further indication that real men are disappearing from the scene and will soon be extinct.

Of course, I was away for the weekend, visiting my daughter's chosen college for Admitted Student's Day and submitting deposits for tuition and room and board. I missed so much. Was I supposed to send those checks to Rebis? I am so confused. 

Simone