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How to change your core beleifs (self esteem, acceptance, religion, ect)

Started by SailorMars1994, April 27, 2018, 10:34:18 AM

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SailorMars1994

Hey all. So recently I been talking to someone, a therapist about my life and yada yada. Anyways the subject of core beleifs came up, and she said much of my issues are those things. I was suprised, ashamed but kinda eye opened.  I came out to the world as a woman nearly 4 years ago, and truth be told I wish I came out sooner! However, the last 4 years have been both the most rewarding and also hardest to a degree. My biggest issue is core beleifs that I had no idea I had. The beleif I am a lervert, fake, fraud, going to hell, etc. Let's break them down:

- (deflecting denial)as a kid I used to deep down long for girl stuff. I recall wishing I could wake up as a girl going to bed, I recall strongly preferring female super heros over male super heros (powerpuff girls/sailor moon,etc over say batman or superman) the one expection is Mario Bros, but even then I recall enjoying playing as Peach in the few times it was possible on the older platforms. However I did it in secret. Even as a child I was so deeply ashamed of enjoying girl things because yes it made me feel great but the shame was there, so much so I would try to make myself even more of a "boy" ( there was a lot of misogyny in my upbringing) ... so the euphoria came, then the shame then this compulsive you must be more boy came.. and that happened on many occasions. It should be noted I don't recall hating being a boy as a young child, but I did really wish to be a girl. Other times I kinda wish I could change gender at will back and forth in early elementary school, tho as a kid I did acknowledge that if I could I would spend nearly all of my time as a girl. Either or as said, as soon as I was about to experience free happiness as anything girl, I would push myself to make sure I stay a "boy" and force myself kinda to push the good feelings away. Kind of what happens a couple years ago but it was more intense, I would dress myself up girly then feel good but then the fight o flight fear took over and I would feel compulsed to be "male"... and to cope would drink myself stupid to calm dysphoira  until the beer ran off and then to feel good would have to
dress as my true self and feel connected to not feel high strung disgust. It was a viscous cycle and would seem like an obvious : be male and hate life and have to be done intoxicated to feel somewhat ok, or be your true female self get off your butt and stop making excuses and as the tough questions and be truthful and free.. seems obvious but it's amazing what our brains can do during fightnor flight (i also have ptsd)
- (pervert) after the age of 12 or 13 when the dysphoira stopped its hiatus and came back (this time being really hard) and such, I noticed the questionings I had at say grade 2 was a bit more intense in grade 7/8. In Halloween 2007 I used that day as an excuse to dress oublcially as female to give it a shot haha.InActually was sad and would lay in bed at night wishing I could be female and getting rid of the male body. I even recall crying a couple times. However, in early 2009 (15 or so) the shame and guilt was so strong that I guess the mild internalized transphobia became stronger and I felt more conflicted, then a few days before my 15 birthday I had a wet dream involving me as the woman. This was odd for me as it wasn't "right, but it felt right at the same time. I tried to be like the "boys" and get off how they did but it never worked , I felt nothing in the thought of being male and being sexual that way so this felt kinda nice.. and i sexualized my own self, for 3 years or so. Then one day in January 2013 Indexided to make a "deal with god" that is he helped me with life issues back then I would give up anything femme... this last a couple months, but the. My dysphoira returned without sexual excitement, basically I was where I was back in 2008. So as time went on I decided to make a plan to come out. Then one day in April that year I came out to a couple friends and went to see my dr for hrt referrals. It was a exciting time. Then April 9th came, I was walking home from my counsellors feeling like a million dollars the out of the blue I froze and had a panic attack, the thought "would I be transitioning or planning to do so if I didn't sexually get off on idea of being female as a teen" crossed my mind... " sure you had these feelings as a kid but maybe wires  were crossed during sexual excitement  that is making dysphoira more stronger now" , added with your family saying that if you were a true trans person you would have came out as a young child and show "noticeable signs" I was crushed. So much so that within that same night I went from feeling good at lunch with hope tonthinking about suicide beciase I was afriad this means I can't be a woman and would be stuck "him" forever. Inwas so depressed . But that whole feeling in a pervert still lurks years later, when I know it shouldn't but does.

- (religion) At this time I was still a Catholic, and I was fearful. In February 2014 I became so upset by the idea I could go to hell just for transition. I recall having anxiety attacks over it and just hating the male assigned body even more. Truth be told, that same month I became watching Bill Maher and looking at Christopher Hitchens to prove that my old faith must of been wrong. I did find some point they made to be helpful and I became a non believer either in February or March that year, but I still think a part of me is hunted by that idea I'm damned.

Tie this in with family trying to insist you're a fake (and actually telling you so) and that you're just running away from "manhood" beciase I was "abused by men" or you felt so weak someone took your "manhood" away or that it's beciase of my autism or it's beciase I am a pervert, etc. I can push those thoughts away but they still have a massive impact.

I am going for surgery hopefully end of this year, I am happy with the progress I made and truth be told I would probably off myself instead of reversing this transition. But there is a lot of garbage in the head that I wish to address. Anyone know how to address the pst conscious mind??
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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KathyLauren

I don't know how one deals with that stuff.  Hopefully your therapist will be able to help.  But you are ahead of the game in that at least you are aware of some bad programming.

I wonder if, perhaps, you were more impressionable than most kids growing up.  The things you talk about are not things that you are born believing.  They are things that someone has taught you.  No one is born believing that anything to do with the genitals (other than a man boinking a woman) is perverted.  Someone has to teach us that.  And if you are taught when you are especially impressionable, you will believe it.  Once that belief is in there, it can be difficult to get rid of.  Same thing about going to hell, or even the existence of hell.

Kids are especially impressionable.  We are programmed from birth to believe what our parents or other adults in authority tell us, even if it is total BS.  Brainwashing is when you believe stuff that you know isn't true.  (Mark Twain said that that was the definition of faith.)

I was lucky in that I developed skepticism early.  I remember in grade 2, my teacher telling me in Bible class (not a religious school, but there was no separation of church and state in Britain) that people who had never heard of Jesus would go to hell.  That just struck me as morally wrong, and I knew deep down that my teacher was wrong.  I remember thinking at the time that it couldn't be true.  And knowing that made me less impressionable.  But that was an unusual realization for a 6 year old kid.  Maybe my mother had gotten to me first with a teaching on compassion.  If so, thanks, Mom!

The point is that kids are easily brainwashed at an early age, and that that programming is hard to shake later.  I think you might have to become aware of the brainwashing in order to shake it off.

How to do it as an adult?  Beats me!  That's where the pros come in, I think.  I know how hard this hits you, and I wish you success in getting past it.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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SailorMars1994

You're very much right. There is a complex thing to it. But I just don't want them to be dormant then come back later, I want them to go away for good
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Deborah

Religion was my biggest source of guilt and mental anguish and the only way I ever got past that was to totally discredit Christianity as any true source of connection to God.  This was not easy and while I've been wrestling with it for over ten years maybe isn't totally yet complete.  But it's most of the way there.

I was raised Episcopalians back when it was still a rather conservative denomination and then over the years transitioned into ever more conservative denominations with the sole intention to find where God would finally remove this particular sin from my mind.  So over time I was a Mormon, Fundamentalist Christian, Seventh Day Adventist, Ultra Conservative Anglican, and finally Roman Catholic.  While Anglican I became a postulant for priesthood and attended a conservative evangelical seminary. 

I really believed and I really tried to rid myself of being trans but because I failed every week and no matter what I did God did not help I came close to suicide once and near the end of that journey spent every night hoping to die in my sleep.

Finally, in early 2015 I had given up and combined with Christian nastiness over the suicide of Leelah Alcorn I physically raised my fist into the air and told God to "F**k Off".  I told him I would rather burn in hell than spend eternity surrounded by his demented followers.

That was my break and while I immediately felt better, mentally disconnecting from Christianity took longer.  Several times I have even attempted to reconnect but just as before God remains silent, invisible, and hidden as if he were just a figment of man's imagination.

Several things have helped me make this break and I'll list them here.  Maybe one or more might help you.
- Christianity in America has completely discredited itself with its wild embrace of stupidity from belief in a 6000 year old earth to denial of evolution.  If their God is real then he must encompass reality.  But their God is in opposition to reality.  Even the Catholic Church requires a belief in the entire human race descending from Adam and Eve.
- Ultra rich evangelists and fake faith healers are so abundant as to reveal it all as a giant con to fleece vulnerable and poor people of their money.
- My time in the seminary and over ten years of studying theology and Christian history including reading the Bible from cover to cover twice left me with a very good understanding of the truth of the faith.  The fact is that over the past 2000 years there has been zero evidence of a God in the Christian conception other than what's written in the Bible.  I came to see that much of what's written in the Bible can only be seen as mythology and fantastic stories.  In the Old Testament it describes a God who delights in blood, war, duplicity, murder, and genocide and then claims that Jesus is that same God of love.  It says that God loves you unconditionally as long as you adhere to conditions, such as not being trans.  The Son of God came to save the world, except for the people born in parts of the world where they were not exposed to the Bible. There is so much mythology,duplicity, and contradiction in that book that I could no longer believe it to be inspired by God or useful for discerning truth.  With that evidence of God removed there is absolutely nothing left.
- There are Christian denominations that are nothing like what I described above.  They do show love and acceptance.  I considered that and personally reject that they are Christian in anything other than name.  What they believe and how they behave is a modern invention of the past generation that has nothing in common with historical Christianity other than a name I no longer want to be associated with.

My mental health is considerably improved by abandoning these beliefs as they no longer hold me in a constant state of cognitive dissonance; trying to believe that God loves me while the book he allegedly inspired says the opposite.

For someone raised from birth in the faith this is not an easy thing to do; mentally abandoning that faith's God.  It took me unending hours of study and prayer and many years of anguish to make the break.

All of that said, I have not become an atheist.  For reasons I won't belabor this post with I do still believe in a higher spiritual reality.  But I have come to see that Christianity, and its twins in the Abrahamic tradition, do nothing to connect with that reality and do much to hinder it.


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SailorMars1994

Yup. I even said I would "sell my soul" to be female, and I feel guilty of that even though it's just a saying. It's amazing what fear can do. Even your sound and mature out look on dogma religion practices it makes sense but I still feel down fear being wrong and a failure and something bad will come around the corner
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Deborah

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on April 27, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
Yup. I even said I would "sell my soul" to be female, and I feel guilty of that even though it's just a saying.
Yes, I did that too.  Even the Devil wouldn't make his presence known to someone willing to give up everything to follow him.  That greatly decreased my fear of the devil.



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Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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SailorMars1994

Quote from: Deborah on April 27, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
Yes, I did that too.  Even the Devil wouldn't make his presence known to someone willing to give up everything to follow him.  That greatly decreased my fear of the devil.



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Bahahaha so true, I guess that's the thing my mind lacks. My mind is very fear based and my fears, baseless as they can be can over power my knowledge. Granted I did "sell my soul" in the spring of 2002 for a taco so if I am going to be damned after all I guess I was screwed longer then I thought haha
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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SailorMars1994

AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Allison S

I think it starts with exactly what you did. Outlining what these things are for you because we all have things that hold us back. Since transitioning and I believe getting older/just not caring, I've moved past a lot of what holds me back.

Now I'm onto things that I can change like thinking about correcting my broken nose, what kind of guy I would see myself with, my body... I know the second one is a bit weird and it's not really a priority but who's to say what I should and shouldn't care about?

Even with transitioning and being trans things or insecurities hold us back sometimes. I just jumped back into seeing what guys I'd be interested in. It just helps me to know what's out there on a dating site...

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Shy

I fell into religion because of the guilt and shame I was feeling. The church was Pentecostal so very fundamentalist and happy clappy.
I told the pastor in private about the troubles I was having with my gender identity and the next Sunday he outed me in front of the whole congregation saying that I had a feminine demon inside me that needed to be cast out. Needless to say I was distraught, confused at the break in confidence and more ashamed than ever. It wasn't long after I turned to drink and drugs to blot out the fear of God instilled in me by them.
Eventually I had a breakdown, lost my job, my wife and became homeless for a while. From that point I began to rationalise my place in the universe, the teachings of men, the wars and division caused by them. It was tough, but eventually I saw past hellfire and brimstone and started to accept my own truth. I wasn't being tested by God I was being subjected to a hate crime by those who spoke in his or her or their name.
My goal now is to live an authentic, simple life. It's taken me years to get to a point where I can actually speak openly about this stuff without fear.
I'm a pacifist, my nature is to mother and nurture, I struggle with injustice and help spiders out of the bath tub. I try to be a good person but screw up and say the wrong things all the time. I'm an autistic woman, this is my truth and that's o.k. :)

Peace and love and all that good stuff,

Sadie
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Chloe

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on April 27, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
Yup. I even said I would "sell my soul" to be female . .

lol I suppose we all would! Mars it really doesn't matter what you "believe" or don't - it's the Actions you take based on whatever you decide to "believe" that truly defines what kind of person you are. Living in The South I like the 'ole joke, which carries some truth, "heck NO I'm not Christian I'm Catholic!" Any educated person or denomination that practices bigotry or non-tolerance, based solely on what some book says, rather than love and acceptance of human diversity is just plain WRONG and should be rejected outright. Life & Nature has thrived on genetic diversity so why can't we incorporate THAT into our religious belief systems as well?

After all this IS the 21 century for Pete's sake , , , and living conditions have certainly CHANGED! Time always tells and, in the end, "mistakes" will of course be WEEDED OUT!

lol Just be careful what you 'wish for' 'cause I believe in MAGIC too!

My mom was "Irish Catholic", dad Protestant and she told me the only thing she insisted on is 'us kids' be raised that way as well. Of course, dad didn't really care which, I suppose, is the whole point! I went to Catholic schools my entire youth, including University, and if they BULLIED & SCARED us into being decent human beings, which I suspect you are, then I say Mission Accomplished! We are now FREE, as adults in faith, to do whatever we deem best!

Still a bone to pick with my school - their "diversity statement", which changes every few years, still does not include "gender identity"!

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Quote from: Shy on April 29, 2018, 05:25:08 AM. . . he outed me in front of the whole congregation saying that I had a feminine demon inside me that needed to be cast out.

Sadie WOW! So, by that logic, all females are demons? Amazing lol . . .
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SailorMars1994

Thanks everyone. Idk I just have total shame and insecurities. However going "back" is not an option, no would I have  desire to do so. I love what I have and who I am but I still have profound guilt over it all
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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VaxSpyder

I'm Catholic and transgender and I like being Catholic and I like being transgender!
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pamelatransuk

I am also Catholic and transgender and fortunately have no guilt and intend to remain in that position.

However I understand and appreciate the suffering and guilt religion can instill into some people especially young children.

Pamela


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SailorMars1994

Well good for you both! I'm still trying to figure out what my own beleifs are. But the fear of hell was very real for me.
AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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