Are there any other girls out there who also suffer with lack of breast growth as I have despite long term hormone therapy?

I would also like to know if there are any alternatives apart from surgery to gain a reasonable amount of breast growth?

Hmm... I wonder if it's genetics instead. Some women just aren't well-endowed. Are the other ladies in your family small on top?

If your family history is A cup, then you can expect to only reach close A cup if you start on hormones before 20-30ish.  I started hormones at 20, but my family is A, so that's all I expect.  Though I am already happy with my breast development because... I love my boobs.  After 30 you can expect to receive less to much less development then family members, and the changes will take quite a bit longer.

Breasts have some growth reaction to stimulation, but that's all I know.

Personally, I am not opting for surgery.  I'm proud to be me - even if I have small breasts.

What are the effects of the hormones besides breast development?  If those aren't substantial then I see no reason for breast development to be either, prolly time to bitch at your endo and demand a higher dose.

massage and hypnosis...

Quote from: Nero on March 17, 2008, 12:55:16 PM
Hmm... I wonder if it's genetics instead. Some women just aren't well-endowed. Are the other ladies in your family small on top?

Well my mum is quite big in the breast department and endomorhic so I thought I would end up the same..

Posted on: March 17, 2008, 03:18:47 PM

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Quote from: Annwyn on March 17, 2008, 01:08:53 PM
What are the effects of the hormones besides breast development?  If those aren't substantial then I see no reason for breast development to be either, prolly time to bitch at your endo and demand a higher dose.

The effects of hormones have been quite limited even after 10 years.....The benefits of long term HRT have been that I don't have any body hair, I have soft skin, better fat distribution on the top of my legs....but my breasts are quite small and mimmick more the breast size of a male who drinks too much...by the way I don't drink..

Higher dose you say? I have sometimes over done my HRT dose and ended up with excessive prolactin levels and severe headaches.... I have tried most medications and I suppose I was expecting more from hormones than I got. I am however aware that some T girls get less development than I do..

Don't get me wrong, I'm no doctor or anything, but asking your endo to highten your dosage or change the method of dosage would most likely be a wise move to make as far as getting the most you can out of hormones, and if it's done intelligently, like with patches, then you probably wouldn't have to be too worried about excessive side effects.

Either way, if you're on here talking to us about it then it's time to talk to the endo about it.

Quote from: Annwyn on March 17, 2008, 08:25:00 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm no doctor or anything, but asking your endo to highten your dosage or change the method of dosage would most likely be a wise move to make as far as getting the most you can out of hormones, and if it's done intelligently, like with patches, then you probably wouldn't have to be too worried about excessive side effects.

Either way, if you're on here talking to us about it then it's time to talk to the endo about it.

I've seen quite a few endo's in my time and they are all exhsusted with idea's. I now try and come up with someting and say 'let's try this one' to see if it will works. The last one at Charing Cross was fed up with me because he had tried everything. Most of the endo's are honest and know that nothing will improve it. I've tried patches (I'm on them now) and just about everything else over the last 10 years and taken high doses which usually gives me a high prolactin reading and higher blood pressure.

Hi Berleigh I don't really understand why you are having problems with breast growth. It took mine almost five years to get to where I like them now. I don't know what the answer is except to see your doctor who doesn't have any connections to Charing Cross to find out if possibly you could get different kind of hormones that might help encourage the breast area to grow.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on March 19, 2008, 04:08:46 AM
Hi Berleigh I don't really understand why you are having problems with breast growth. It took mine almost five years to get to where I like them now. I don't know what the answer is except to see your doctor who doesn't have any connections to Charing Cross to find out if possibly you could get different kind of hormones that might help encourage the breast area to grow.

Cindy

Hi Cindy hon....

As I mentioned in my earlier post I have tried almost everything HRT wise. HRT is limited and I have seen other more experienced endo's since leaving Charing Cross. It's still trial and error but they don't hold out much hope as to any improvement with breast development. I've been on HRT since 1998 and during that time have tried many different forms of HRT. I'm not keen on breast augmentation but if I want boobs it seems to be the only option I have......unless someone comes up with a miracle cure..

There's no proof of "less breast devellopment" at 30 or over or even after that,
there's only the possibility that it will be significantly slower as HGH levels go down
say 10 years instead of 6, but that again is highly variable.

Some families have high variability in breast sizes, some don't.
So, if in your family its A to D, well its possible that you'll get A or D.

Some people have a high sensitivity to estrogen and even low levels
will give good devellopment while others need to pump themselves
to unsustainable pregnancy type levels to get a decent size.

Also, fat levels are important.
More athletic, fit women have less breasts in general.
I went from 36 almost C to 34B as a lost more than 20 pounds.

If your suffering from metabolic syndrome, too much weight in the middle,
this is a combination of too low E levels and too much fat and
processed sugar like glucose and not enough exercise.
This impacts where fats are stored, more are stored away from the breasts
and buttocks in this case.

Hi Berliegh, Ya as I see, I guess I must have submitted my post right after you posted yours 
Well I do pray that you will find a answer to your problem, I really do hon.

Cindy

First time on HRT I hit a B....  This time around Im a struggling A...  it kinda fluxuates depending on my weight...

First time around my HRT was in a good place and so was I.  My stress levels were at an all time low and I had a loving partner who loved to pay attention to them...  Im guessing that helped quite abit...  Granted I weighed more than I do now, but still, Im sure that the attention helped.  I'd have to sleep hugging onto a stuffed animal <horse shaped> to keep from crushing myself at night because they were painfuly oversensitive...  Id crush them in my sleep...

But nightly they would get allot of attention and they seemed to grow at an enormous pace... soooooo.... yeah....

Quote from: Keira on March 19, 2008, 08:47:46 AM

There's no proof of "less breast devellopment" at 30 or over or even after that,
there's only the possibility that it will be significantly slower as HGH levels go down
say 10 years instead of 6, but that again is highly variable.

Some families have high variability in breast sizes, some don't.
So, if in your family its A to D, well its possible that you'll get A or D.

Some people have a high sensitivity to estrogen and even low levels
will give good devellopment while others need to pump themselves
to unsustainable pregnancy type levels to get a decent size.

Also, fat levels are important.
More athletic, fit women have less breasts in general.
I went from 36 almost C to 34B as a lost more than 20 pounds.

If your suffering from metabolic syndrome, too much weight in the middle,
this is a combination of too low E levels and too much fat and
processed sugar like glucose and not enough exercise.
This impacts where fats are stored, more are stored away from the breasts
and buttocks in this case.

Thanks for the info Keira.....

Strangely the women in my family have large breasts...so I thought I would be the same?

I do have too much weight in the middle but I exercise a lot everyday and go for a 2 mile walk with my dogs twice a day. I have tried changing my diet and my estrogen levels are about as high as they could possibly be...

I still want to go on injectable HRT as I think it will work better but my GP (doctor) insists that I can't go on on them until my blood pressure goes down. All my family have high blood pressure (both the men and the women), so it's not related to the HRT....but it puts me in a catch 22 situation.

I've been on patches and tablets for about 10 years but I've never tried injections..

Well, all I can say to get your fat levels down is to actually start resistance training instead of the classical low intensity cardio that is a fad in America because it's all the effort most people will put into it.  Just twice a week go work out your legs, get a trainer for a little bit to help you out.  Working your chest would make it protrude more and thus make it larger, and since the breasts follow the muscle fascia of the chest muscles then it would give better natural support for them too:-)

I tell ya I workout almost every day, heavy lifting and high intensity cardio, and 3 months in I'm an A, and they're just getting bigger.

Quote from: Annwyn on March 19, 2008, 01:05:20 PM
Well, all I can say to get your fat levels down is to actually start resistance training instead of the classical low intensity cardio that is a fad in America because it's all the effort most people will put into it.  Just twice a week go work out your legs, get a trainer for a little bit to help you out.  Working your chest would make it protrude more and thus make it larger, and since the breasts follow the muscle fascia of the chest muscles then it would give better natural support for them too:-)

I tell ya I workout almost every day, heavy lifting and high intensity cardio, and 3 months in I'm an A, and they're just getting bigger.

I'm an  A as well...

Quote from: Berliegh on March 20, 2008, 03:06:10 AM
I'm an  A as well...

If it is of any consolation Berliegh, I can not even claim that. For 2odd years. *shrug* In my case I expect there just simply isn't enough "food" in my system...

Quote from: Kimberly on March 20, 2008, 06:25:17 AM

Quote from: Berliegh on March 20, 2008, 03:06:10 AM
I'm an  A as well...

If it is of any consolation Berliegh, I can not even claim that. For 2odd years. *shrug* In my case I expect there just simply isn't enough "food" in my system...

I think if more people were honest about it they would admit they hadn't achieved the right breast development in comparison to a genetic female.

^ I think it has to partly with the chest size.

But that's not the case for you as I saw in your pics that your pretty small.

It maybe due to progestorone.  Also 2 years is a very small amount of time tbh.

Have you had SRS?- sometimes the breasts grow a whole cup when you get srs.

Also I told you about massage and hypnosis.

Trying massaging! give it a try. google it in to learn more...

Yes.  Nero made me molest myself every night.  Like, hardcore groping.  I don't do it every night, but the nights I do they're sore all day the next day:-)

Mreow.

And an A cup on someone my height is pretty good, and only after 5 months too, so it's not too shappy, and I'm sure it's because I'm simply highly active and am pushing my body to produce human growth hormones and be in top condition, top circulation, and still eating like a hippo to be at the max of the potential I can be at.