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Started by sd, March 16, 2008, 03:28:46 PM

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RebeccaFog


I get 75% to 78% for feeling every time.


I never achieve Thinking which is funny because in some of my posts I try to explain to people that I understand what they are saying but I don't understand it like a regular person would.
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sd

Quote from: Rebis on March 19, 2008, 07:43:22 AM

I get 75% to 78% for feeling every time.


I never achieve Thinking which is funny because in some of my posts I try to explain to people that I understand what they are saying but I don't understand it like a regular person would.
You don't think the same way as they do more than likely. Considering that stat, it does not surprise me. Your emotions get in your way, and after reading some of your posts that does not surprise me at all that you score that. You seem like a walking bag of emotion  :laugh:. Some of the ways you feeling types write simply amazes me, I wish I could express 1/10 of what you can.
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RebeccaFog


Thank you. 

Sometimes when I read someone else's post, I notice that I take away something completely different than others do.

One of the traits of people like me is that we can write but cannot verbalize our ideas.  If you ask me how I feel in person, I'll stammer and change what I'm saying as I say it.


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Jaimey

All right, so I'm a loser and I'm just now replying to this thread... :P.

According to this test, I am INTP.  I think I used to be something different, but some of the questions were iffy for me. 

Strength of the preferences %
Introverted   Intuitive   Thinking   Perceiving
    78                  25          38              11

QuoteThe Portait of the Architect (INTP)

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition, it is the structural engineering role -- architechtonics -- that reaches the highest development in these Rationals, and it is for this reason they are aptly called the "Architects." Their major interest is in figuring out structure, build, configuration -- the spatiality of things.

As the engineering capabilities the Architects increase so does their desire to let others know about whatever has come of their engineering efforts. So they tend to take up an accomodating role in their social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if they ever had any, to direct the activities of others. Only when forced to by circumstance do they allow themselves to take charge of activities, and they exit the role as soon as they can without injuring the enterprise.

The Architects' distant goal is always to rearrange the environment somehow, to shape, to construct, to devise, whether it be buildings, institutions, enterprises, or theories. They look upon the world -- natural and civil -- as little more than raw material to be reshaped according to their design, as a formless stone for their hammer and chisel. Ayn Rand, master of the Rational character, describes this characteristic in the architect Howard Roark, her protagonist in The Fountainhead:

He was looking at the granite. He did not laugh as his eyes stopped in awareness of the earth around him. His face was like a law of nature-a thing one could not question, alter or implore. It had high cheekbones over gaunt, hollow cheeks; gray eyes, cold and steady; a contemptuous mouth, shut tight, the mouth of an executioner or a saint. He looked at the granite. To be cut, he thought, and made into walls. He looked at a tree. To be split and made into rafters. He looked at a streak of rust on the stone and thought of iron ore under the ground. To be melted and to emerge as girders against the sky. These rocks, he thought, are here for me; waiting for the drill, the dynamite and my voice; waiting to be split, ripped, pounded, reborn, waiting for the shape my hands will give to them. [The Fountainhead, pp 15-16]

Many regard this attitude as arrogant, and Architects are likely, especially in their later years, after finding out that most others are faking an understanding of the laws of nature, to think of themselves as the prime movers who must pit themselves against nature and society in an endless struggle to define ends clearly and adopt whatever means that promise success. If this is arrogance, then at least it is not vanity, and without question it has driven the design engineers to take the lead in molding the structure of civilization.

Albert Einstein as the iconic Rational is an Architect

Dr. David Keirsey, Robert Rosen, George Soros, Gregory Peck, James Madison, Ludwig Boltzman, Charles Darwin, Adam Smith, and Thomas Jefferson" /> are examples of the Architect Rationals

That's pretty accurate.  Hmm...let's try another analysis...(like you all really want to read all this now...heheh! I am evil, hear me roar  :icon_evil_laugh:)

QuoteINTPs are pensive, analytical folks. They may venture so deeply into thought as to seem detached, and often actually are oblivious to the world around them.

Precise about their descriptions, INTPs will often correct others (or be sorely tempted to) if the shade of meaning is a bit off. While annoying to the less concise, this fine discrimination ability gives INTPs so inclined a natural advantage as, for example, grammarians and linguists.

INTPs are relatively easy-going and amenable to almost anything until their principles are violated, about which they may become outspoken and inflexible. They prefer to return, however, to a reserved albeit benign ambiance, not wishing to make spectacles of themselves.

Um.  Yes.  That is me.

QuoteA major concern for INTPs is the haunting sense of impending failure. They spend considerable time second-guessing themselves. The open-endedness (from Perceiving) conjoined with the need for competence (NT) is expressed in a sense that one's conclusion may well be met by an equally plausible alternative solution, and that, after all, one may very well have overlooked some critical bit of data. An INTP arguing a point may very well be trying to convince himself as much as his opposition. In this way INTPs are markedly different from INTJs, who are much more confident in their competence and willing to act on their convictions.

Hmmm...actually, in this area, I think I'm a mix of INTP and INTJ...I'm confident, but then again, I have trouble honing in...career wise, for example.  There are lots of things I'd like to do, but I don't know which one I'd be best at or which one has the most promise.  Right now I'm trying to decide between a master's in gender studies (I'm leaning towards this one now) and education, while also thinking about a degree in creative writing or maybe Japanese or some other language...yes...now that I think about it, this applies to me too.  You know, I am often trying to convince myself as much as those around me (particularly about my future).

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Mathematics is a system where many INTPs love to play, similarly languages, computer systems--potentially any complex system. INTPs thrive on systems. Understanding, exploring, mastering, and manipulating systems can overtake the INTP's conscious thought. This fascination for logical wholes and their inner workings is often expressed in a detachment from the environment, a concentration where time is forgotten and extraneous stimuli are held at bay. Accomplishing a task or goal with this knowledge is secondary.

INTPs and Logic -- One of the tipoffs that a person is an INTP is her obsession with logical correctness. Errors are not often due to poor logic -- apparent faux pas in reasoning are usually a result of overlooking details or of incorrect context.

Games NTs seem to especially enjoy include Risk, Bridge, Stratego, Chess, Go, and word games of all sorts. (I have an ENTP friend that loves Boggle and its variations. We've been known to sit in public places and pick a word off a menu or mayonnaise jar to see who can make the most words from its letters on a napkin in two minutes.) The INTP mailing list has enjoyed a round of Metaphore, virtual volleyball, and a few 'finish the series' brain teasers.

Yes, again, except that I HATE Risk/Stratego.  I like the other games though.  My pod neighbor and I do word jumbles everyday.  I tried sudoku, but it makes my head hurt.  I'm a language geek too.  And I can be really bad about making careless mistakes.  That one is me to a 'T'.  Everything but the confidence thing.



Now I'm going to go back and read the rests of these posts and catch up to you all.

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Introverted Thinking

Introverted Thinking strives to extract the essence of the Idea from various externals that express it. In the extreme, this conceptual essence wants no form or substance to verify its reality. Knowing the Truth is enough for INTPs; the knowledge that this truth can (or could) be demonstrated is sufficient to satisfy the knower. "Cogito, ergo sum" expresses this prime directive quite succinctly.

In seasons of low energy level, or moments of single-minded concentration, the INTP is aloof and detached in a way that might even offend more relational or extraverted individuals.

Extraverted Feeling

Feeling tends to be all or none. When present, the INTP's concern for others is intense, albeit naive. In a crisis, this feeling judgement is often silenced by the emergence of Thinking, who rushes in to avert chaos and destruction. In the absence of a clear principle, however, INTPs have been known to defer judgement and to allow decisions about interpersonal matters to be left hanging lest someone be offended or somehow injured. INTPs are at risk of being swept away by the shadow in the form of their own strong emotional impulses.

This is the general explanation below the other one in the J. Butt and M. M. Heis explanation.  It's extremely me.  The second one eerily so. 

Alright...I'll stop adding to this post...it's long enough already.

You started something bad, sd.  I love this stuff!!!!!!!! 

Posted on: March 19, 2008, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 17, 2008, 06:40:15 AM
The 'introverted intuitive' designation seems to be common for all who have answered so far. I guess we really are the IN crowd.

Nfr

You made a pun...:icon_love:
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: Jaimey on March 19, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
You made a pun...:icon_love:

It was on topic, though, so I don't think it helps me get back my androgyne licence.  :'(

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Jaimey on March 19, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 17, 2008, 06:40:15 AM
The 'introverted intuitive' designation seems to be common for all who have answered so far. I guess we really are the IN crowd.

Nfr

You made a pun...:icon_love:
I thought puns were a punishable offense?  Didn't someone say that in another thread?
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Shana A

Quote from: Rebis on March 20, 2008, 09:28:43 AM
I thought puns were a punishable offense?  Didn't someone say that in another thread?

Only if they were on topic  ;)

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Lutin

QuoteI thought puns were a punishable offense?  Didn't someone say that in another thread?

Ah, and did you mean that one? Puns being a *pun*ishable offense? ;)

Which leads me to ask, do accidental puns count as well as blatantly 'cringe-intentioned' ones? ("Cringe-intentioned" being the technical term...).

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Kir

Quote from: Lutin on March 20, 2008, 09:51:02 AM
QuoteI thought puns were a punishable offense?  Didn't someone say that in another thread?

Ah, and did you mean that one? Puns being a *pun*ishable offense? ;)

Which leads me to ask, do accidental puns count as well as blatantly 'cringe-intentioned' ones? ("Cringe-intentioned" being the technical term...).



Oh yes. Unintentional ones certainly count! Those are the best ones sometimes. Because then the guilty party can dance around saying "I didn't mean it! Don't *pun*ish me!!!"
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RebeccaFog


Anyway, back on topic:

   I have been gaining a better understanding of myself and people around me since this thread was begun.
   I coerced a bunch of people at work to take the test and I've been thinking about the bigger application of it by trying to transpose the types across general society.

  Like how republicans seem to be an actual 'type' general.  Not all of them of course, and democrats are another type.  The person who handles the front desk here at my company is a Guardian Protector and a lot of the characteristics she has fits into how she does her work and, as I explained to her, why people have the need to curse about her.  It's because her trait is to need to see results and she often reminds people of what is expected of them and things like that.  Whereas, if it were me in the job, I would let people do whatever the hell they want which is not only impractical, but likely to prevent anyone here from ever hiring me now that I've childishly blurted it out.

   So, for once, I may be learning something, however, my mind is designed to forget it all tomorrow.
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: Rebis on March 20, 2008, 09:28:43 AM
I thought puns were a punishable offense?

Only offensive ones.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Jaimey

Quote from: Rebis on March 20, 2008, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: Jaimey on March 19, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 17, 2008, 06:40:15 AM
The 'introverted intuitive' designation seems to be common for all who have answered so far. I guess we really are the IN crowd.

Nfr

You made a pun...:icon_love:
I thought puns were a punishable offense?  Didn't someone say that in another thread?

Actually, I think that was me. :icon_blah:   I'm sorry.  I'm a turncoat.  I have come to love the pun!!!  They are pun-tastic!!!  :icon_weee:  hehehe.   

Quote
Anyway, back on topic:

   I have been gaining a better understanding of myself and people around me since this thread was begun.
   I coerced a bunch of people at work to take the test and I've been thinking about the bigger application of it by trying to transpose the types across general society.

  Like how republicans seem to be an actual 'type' general.  Not all of them of course, and democrats are another type.  The person who handles the front desk here at my company is a Guardian Protector and a lot of the characteristics she has fits into how she does her work and, as I explained to her, why people have the need to curse about her.  It's because her trait is to need to see results and she often reminds people of what is expected of them and things like that.  Whereas, if it were me in the job, I would let people do whatever the hell they want which is not only impractical, but likely to prevent anyone here from ever hiring me now that I've childishly blurted it out.

  So, for once, I may be learning something, however, my mind is designed to forget it all tomorrow.

heh.  I agree with you, especially about the parties...I have a hard time getting along with a lot of republicans I've met in general.  I don't even discuss politics or religion with them.  That's very interesting.  I'll have to think about this more.
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Simone Louise

First, here's my score:
    Your Type is
INFP
Introverted   Intuitive   Feeling   Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
78   62   12   11

Like Z and Pica Pica. I'm not terribly surprised, are you? I don't know what to do with the info.

So I lugged the catheter and bag around DisneyWorld with my wife, 4 children, son-in-law, and 3 grandchildren. And I've been to the hospital, been reamed and cleaned, and come home without a catheter.  ;D And now I am recuperating and catching up on all the doings here. It's good to be back.

Warmest regards,
Simone
Choose life.
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RebeccaFog

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Shana A

Quote from: Simone Louise on March 24, 2008, 08:54:01 PM
First, here's my score:
    Your Type is
INFP

Wow, three of us here in one place!

QuoteSo I lugged the catheter and bag around DisneyWorld with my wife, 4 children, son-in-law, and 3 grandchildren. And I've been to the hospital, been reamed and cleaned, and come home without a catheter.  ;D And now I am recuperating and catching up on all the doings here. It's good to be back.

Very glad to hear you're recuperating Simone ;D

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Seshatneferw

Quote from: Simone Louise on March 24, 2008, 08:54:01 PM
So I lugged the catheter and bag around DisneyWorld with my wife, 4 children, son-in-law, and 3 grandchildren.

Doesn't sound quite as much fun with the catheter.  :P

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It's good to be back.

It's good to see you back, and getting better.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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sd

Glad to see you back and that things went well for you Simone.
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Jaimey

Welcome back, Simone!!!  :icon_flower:  ...and ouch.  yikes.
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Simone Louise

Yes, it's easier to smile now. Now I'm supposed to drink lots and walk lots. Maybe I'll stick Jaimey's flower behind my ear. Anyone for a stroll by the river? Most of the snow is gone.

Even better news: my daughter got out of the hospital today! It is my intention and I'm keeping my fingers crossed (and ask that you do the same) that, even with the school she's missed, she will be able to graduate with her high school class on 6/7/08. Her first choice college has accepted her and offered a nice scholarship, if she can get past that hurdle.

Blessed be the unicorns,
Simone
Choose life.
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RebeccaFog


Ohhhhhhh, the poor kid.   I hope she does graduate as expected.


And I hope she never sees a hospital again except to drive by it.
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