Which is better estrogen shots patches or pills... I don't know yet. I don't know what to choose from. I don't have an appointment with and endricologist yet. But which form of estrogen seems the most potent?

Each has drawbacks and benefits, it's not really about potency. Pills are easy, but can be hard on internal organs.  Injections aren't everyone's cup of tea. Patches deliver the steadiest levels. You amd your doctor will find the best course of treatment for you.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: ogional on June 30, 2018, 04:22:24 PM
Which is better estrogen shots patches or pills... I don't know yet. I don't know what to choose from. I don't have an appointment with and endricologist yet. But which form of estrogen seems the most potent?

When I first started researching this a couple of years ago, I read that patches and shots significantly reduce the risk of blood clots in comparison to pills, which have additional stages of digestion/absorption before they take effect in the body.

Pick the one that your most comfortable using. They all are able to provide sufficient estrogen levels and that's what's important. I like pills because I just take mine once a day. Some people like injections because they only do it once a week. Other like patches because they stick them on and only worry about them a couple of times a week. If you don't like needles, then pick one of the other two. Last but not least, if implants are available you only need to worry about them once every 6 months or so.

Development comes down to your genetics. My body didn't respond fast but others bloom out in as little as a year. While estradiol levels are some what of a factor, genetics is the most important factor in determining how you will develop. I will never be bigger than a B cup while other on the site have reached DD cup. Just sit back and enjoy the ride where ever it takes you.

Quote from: Dena on June 30, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Pick the one that your most comfortable using. They all are able to provide sufficient estrogen levels and that's what's important. I like pills because I just take mine once a day. Some people like injections because they only do it once a week. Other like patches because they stick them on and only worry about them a couple of times a week. If you don't like needles, then pick one of the other two. Last but not least, if implants are available you only need to worry about them once every 6 months or so.

Development comes down to your genetics. My body didn't respond fast but others bloom out in as little as a year. While estradiol levels are some what of a factor, genetics is the most important factor in determining how you will develop. I will never be bigger than a B cup while other on the site have reached DD cup. Just sit back and enjoy the ride where ever it takes you.

I want at least size c but size b is satisfying to me... My mom's and sisters are a size a not very big so mine may not grow any bigger than that. But once they stop growing is when I'd decide for breast augmentation.

Patch or pill is all that's covered here. Patch is easier on the liver and lower dosing work as the pills have to go thru the liver and lose some effect getting past it. What I've been told.

Your doctor will likely recommend one of the methods based on your general state of health.  Mine prescribed patches just because of my age, although I am in excellent health.  Patches and injections are easy on the liver.  Pills get processed by the liver before the estrogen hits your bloodstream, and they can be hard on it, especially if you have health issues that affect your liver.  Listen to your doctor's advice.

Quote from: KathyLauren on June 30, 2018, 04:59:55 PM
Your doctor will likely recommend one of the methods based on your general state of health.  Mine prescribed patches just because of my age, although I am in excellent health.  Patches and injections are easy on the liver.  Pills get processed by the liver before the estrogen hits your bloodstream, and they can be hard on it, especially if you have health issues that affect your liver.  Listen to your doctor's advice.

I like to binge drink bt been controlling my drinking lately so it's probably better for me to take the injections or the patches.

Wait and see what the drinking does to you. I can't go near alcohol anymore as even one small
Drink makes me feel hung over like it was a week long binge. Make sure you let your doc know about the drinking. That's important

Quote from: Donna on June 30, 2018, 05:20:22 PM
Wait and see what the drinking does to you. I can't go near alcohol anymore as even one small
Drink makes me feel hung over like it was a week long binge. Make sure you let your doc know about the drinking. That's important

I sure will. But can I take the patches and the injections at the same time. Since im castrated I won't need Antiandrogens. I still have some testosterone but it's really low the Dr told me while I was Baker acted. They checked my testosterone levels while I was Baker acted. I'm all so going to have to watch how much protein I consume because protein can raise the testosterone levels without testosterone so maybe I do need Antiandrogens. So I can keep my diet. I need at least 100 grams of protein a day to keep my 160 lbs. What I notice of the effects of low testosterone is body hair loss. I loose alot of hair in the shower while using a wash cloth. That's the only side effect I'm having of low testosterone. I'm not loosing head hair just body hair.

There would be no reason to use patches and injections at the same time.  You will get prescribed one or the other, not both.

Quote from: KathyLauren on June 30, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
There would be no reason to use patches and injections at the same time.  You will get prescribed one or the other, not both.

Ok that makes sense I wasn't sure if that was possible.

Estradiol is very powerful and your body need less that a single grain of salt worth in order to develop. However you get it, most of the product is filler to make it easy to handle and to avoid an accidental over dose. Any method of dosing will provide enough to do the job by it's self.

Quote from: Dena on June 30, 2018, 05:43:42 PM
Estradiol is very powerful and your body need less that a single grain of salt worth in order to develop. However you get it, most of the product is filler to make it easy to handle and to avoid an accidental over dose. Any method of dosing will provide enough to do the job by it's self.

If im taking estrogen ahould i all so take estrogen in other forms such as flax seeds seaseme seeds or spearmint oil? Or would that be to much and cause an accidental overdose. Who else here takes natural supplemenrs while on HRT?

The other sources such as flax seed are relatively ineffective and if taken in large quantities will prevent the estradiol from doing it's job. What you eat in a normal diet is fine but don't go out of your way to eat the other things.

Talk with a doctor. More is not better. To much E can fill all the receptors and if you take plant based which is weaker then you lose any benefit of the prescription. You need so little e with no t you really need to see and listen to a doctor. There are health risks involved

Quote from: Donna on June 30, 2018, 06:44:31 PM
Talk with a doctor. More is not better. To much E can fill all the receptors and if you take plant based which is weaker then you lose any benefit of the prescription. You need so little e with no t you really need to see and listen to a doctor. There are health risks involved

I thought more estrogen the better the results. Geuss im wrong. Ill stick with what the dr ays.

For me I know that once the boys are removed my dosage will be cut in half app and it's not that high now. For sure too much is not good.
Listen to the doctors.
Thank you

Quote from: ogional on June 30, 2018, 07:12:14 PM
I thought more estrogen the better the results. Geuss im wrong. Ill stick with what the dr ays.

Men and women both have normal ranges of estradiol and testosterone. HRT is going to shift you from normal male levels (high T, low E) to normal female levels (high E, low T).

There are specific numbers that the doctor is aiming for, and "as much as possible" isn't the number. 

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: ogional on July 01, 2018, 08:05:08 AM
Well I don't know if this is good or bad. But my roommate is selling me a  thirty day supply of estridiol for $60 along with the antirandrogen. She said only take two for three months then up the dosage after that. Im going to buy her off her until I can see an endrocologist myself. I hope that isn't too bad for me. I'm just desperate.



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IMHO, this is not a good thing.  It can put your health at serious risk.  Please reconsider doing this and using these energies toward seeing an endocrinologist sooner.

Hugs, Jessica