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pamelatransuk

Hello everyone

Now many times we have discussed sexual orientation and I and most of us here believe Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation are two separate subjects.

However it appears to me both from reading so many threads on Susans and in my experience here in UK that there could be a small statistical pattern but I could be wrong in my assumption.

It appears to me that a significant proportion of young transitioners are heterosexual meaning attracted to the opposite sex of their gender (or to the same sex as assigned at birth) with some bisexual whereas an equally significant proportion of older transitioners are lesbian/homosexual meaning attracted to the same sex as their gender (or to the opposite sex as assigned at birth) with some bisexual and also a significant proportion asexual.

I do not know at what approximate age point the former category changes to the latter category but I feel my assumption is based on some limited evidence. Of course I know asexuality is more prevalent as we age (for some not all) and the asexual figure would include "retired".

I appreciate that transition and indeed the transgender subject as a whole has only really been in the public domain since around 2000 and that many late transitioners may have deferred transition either for this reason or because before 2000 surgeons would often only perform surgeries on potential straight transpeople.

Has anyone else made this statistical assumption please and also for those of us transitioned or transitioning later (say 40 or over), do you think you may have transitioned earlier if you were potential straight transperson please?

Just for the record I am asexual with minor lesbian tendencies.

Thanking you and Hugs to all.

Pamela

   


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KathyLauren

I have no statistics to back up your suggestion, but I don't think you are wrong.  It seems to be an accurate generalization of the stories I have read here.

I wonder if the sexual orientation causes (or at least influences) the age of transition.  A homosexual trans person pre-transition appears to be a heterosexual.  It is much easier, therefore, to play the "nornal" game and therefore to postpone transition until dysphoria eventually bites their butt in later years. 

For a heterosexual trans person, the misfit would become more apparent earlier, giving them a greater motivation to transition sooner.

Like you, I am asexual with lesbian tendencies.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Kirsteneklund7

Fantastic topic Pamela. You are right on the money and there is much reiteration of what you suggest out there in the literature. A very good book you may have come across by Dr Anne Vitale- "The Gendered Self." It covers this in an evidence based manner. The difference between the early onset and late onset transsexuals can be considered distinct. Madeline Wyndzen's website discussed it. The concept does come up time and again.
By the way I love your posts on the whole. I would love to correspond more.
Kirsten.


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MaryT

I agree with all of you but I suspect that the percentage of older heterosexual trans people would be recognised as much higher except that they have been absorbed by the community of homosexual cis people.  Safe opportunities for transition were much rarer in the past and if HRT began after puberty, many had no real chance of passing as women.

Before SRS permitted sexual sensitivity, even AMAB people who were attracted to other AMAB people were rarely approved for SRS, as they were regarded as deluded catamites who just presented as women to attract men.  Asexual people were more likely to be approved, perhaps because they were perceived as having less to lose.
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pamelatransuk

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on July 31, 2018, 07:15:47 AM
Fantastic topic Pamela. You are right on the money and there is much reiteration of what you suggest out there in the literature. A very good book you may have come across by Dr Anne Vitale- "The Gendered Self." It covers this in an evidence based manner. The difference between the early onset and late onset transsexuals can be considered distinct. Madeline Wyndzen's website discussed it. The concept does come up time and again.
By the way I love your posts on the whole. I would love to correspond more.
Kirsten.

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Thank you Kirsten for such kind words. I really appreciate your posts too and I am sure we shall interact often.

I know from previous posts that you just like me "knew" at an early age but we both deferred transition (or even seeking professional advice) till shall I say "middle age". So perhaps "early onset" and "late onset" should be increased to 3 categories:

1. Early onset and taking positive action early
2. Early onset I terms of knowledge but suppressing and hence deferring positive action.
3. Late onset in terms of fully accepting and obviously taking positive action late. Many in this group would "know with hindsight" and that is understandable.

Pamela


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pamelatransuk

Quote from: MaryT on July 31, 2018, 07:20:20 AM
Before SRS permitted sexual sensitivity, even AMAB people who were attracted to other AMAB people were rarely approved for SRS, as they were regarded as deluded catamites who just presented as women to attract men.  Asexual people were more likely to be approved, perhaps because they were perceived as having less to lose.

Thank you Mary. I know GCS was previously "primitive" not permitting sexual activity. Do you agree that the surgery changed to providing such around 1985 please? This is what I recall.

Thank you Kathy. Interesting that Mary's last sentence implies we as primarily asexuals were always better treated!

Pamela


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MaryT

Quote from: pamelatransuk on July 31, 2018, 08:26:34 AM
Thank you Mary. I know GCS was previously "primitive" not permitting sexual activity. Do you agree that the surgery changed to providing such around 1985 please? This is what I recall.

Thank you Kathy. Interesting that Mary's last sentence implies we as primarily asexuals were always better treated!

Pamela

I don't know the dates but the period you mention sounds reasonable.  Much of what I read on the subject, which described the then attitude of psychiatrists that transsexuals were mostly asexual, dated from the 1970s, when I read (sometimes lurid) articles on the subject, mostly in popular magazines.  Dr Georges Burou of Casablanca published his technique, which included the possibility of post-operative orgasms, in 1974 and it must have taken a while for his and other techniques that allowed orgasm to be become commonplace.  Even now, according to Wikipedia, only 85% of SRS patients orgasm after surgery.

I didn't mean to imply that asexual trans people were ever better treated, just that the diagnosis of transsexuals approved for SRS was different in the past.
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MaryT

Quote from: MaryT on July 31, 2018, 07:20:20 AM
I agree with all of you but I suspect that the percentage of older heterosexual trans people would be recognised as much higher except that they have been absorbed by the community of homosexual cis people.  ...

I'd like to emphasize that it is only a personal suspicion, not based on any data.  I just think that sexual orientation permitting, a trans woman in the role of "wife" to a gay cis man might find more fulfillment than a trans woman in the role of husband to a cis woman.  I suspect that some such "wives"  would have preferred to transition at an early age if possible but even when older, may feel that their true nature is less repressed than trans woman "husbands" may feel.

I must point out that although I would not describe myself as asexual, as I have sexual fantasies about men, and attempts at sex with women all failed, I have never had a real boyfriend or girlfriend so I have no expertise or personal experience on which to base my suspicions.

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Ryuichi13

This is a very interesting line of thinking. 

Quote from: pamelatransuk on July 31, 2018, 06:32:34 AM
Hello everyone

Now many times we have discussed sexual orientation and I and most of us here believe Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation are two separate subjects.

However it appears to me both from reading so many threads on Susans and in my experience here in UK that there could be a small statistical pattern but I could be wrong in my assumption.

It appears to me that a significant proportion of young transitioners are heterosexual meaning attracted to the opposite sex of their gender (or to the same sex as assigned at birth) with some bisexual whereas an equally significant proportion of older transitioners are lesbian/homosexual meaning attracted to the same sex as their gender (or to the opposite sex as assigned at birth) with some bisexual and also a significant proportion asexual.

I do not know at what approximate age point the former category changes to the latter category but I feel my assumption is based on some limited evidence. Of course I know asexuality is more prevalent as we age (for some not all) and the asexual figure would include "retired".

I appreciate that transition and indeed the transgender subject as a whole has only really been in the public domain since around 2000 and that many late transitioners may have deferred transition either for this reason or because before 2000 surgeons would often only perform surgeries on potential straight transpeople.

Has anyone else made this statistical assumption please and also for those of us transitioned or transitioning later (say 40 or over), do you think you may have transitioned earlier if you were potential straight transperson please?

Just for the record I am asexual with minor lesbian tendencies.

Thanking you and Hugs to all.

Pamela

This is a very interesting line of thinking. 

If I'm reading this correctly, you are asking "how many of us older people that are transitioning/have transitioned are hetero or asexual." am I correct?

I can say that as a FTM, I have always been attracted to males, so since transitioning to male, I suppose am now considered gay.  That blew my mind more to make that realization than it did realizing that I was trans, since being trans is something I've basically known my entire life.

If I am wrong in trying to figure out your line of thinking, please let me know, so that I may answer your question/s properly.

Ryuichi


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Sonja

@pamelatransuk

Hi Pamela,

I'm 41 mtf, married to a women, for this analysis, late transitioning, ...lesbian (never thought I'd be calling myself that...lol)

I honestly don't know if I would be properly attracted to men if I had started young.

Maybe make a POLL for this.

Sonja.
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Kirsteneklund7

 A second distinction is age of onset, the categories are 'primary' and 'secondary' transsexuals. The defining difference is the age when a transsexual requests a sex change: 'primary' transsexuals usually request a sex change in their early to mid twenties and 'secondary' transsexuals request surgery from forty years old and onward. As groups, they differ in sexual orientation (more 'primary' transsexuals are straight in their target sex) and their gender expression (MtF primary transsexuals tend to be more feminine). However, please be aware that these differences are statistical like sex differences in height. Men are taller than woman but that doesn't mean any particular man is taller than any particular woman. Is the brain difference only a difference for primary or only for secondary transsexuals? No. If you look at the table below, you will see that three transsexuals in the study are primary and two are secondary transsexuals (there is no datat reported for one brain).

transsexual brain number (arbitrarily assigned)    1    2    3    4    5    6
age of onset    secondary ts - late onset    primary ts - early onset    secondary ts - late onset    unknown    primary ts - early onset    primary ts - early onset
sexual orientation    attracted to men    attracted to women    attracted to women    attracted to both    attracted to women    attracted to men

A third distinction is sexual orientation, the categories are "attracted to men", "attracted to woman", "attracted to both", or "attracted to neither." Though this is related to age of onset, it is not the same thing. Earlier we saw that BSTc size does not differ between gay and straight men so there is no particular reason to expect the BSTc findings to apply to transsexuals with a particular sexual orientation. In addition, you can see from the table above that two of the transsexual woman were straight, three were lesbian woman, and one was bisexual. I mention that sexual orientation does not account for these findings because of a dissappointing trend I've noticed among transsexuals. A transsexual medical doctor (not a psychology researcher) has recently promoted one researcher's theory of transsexuality that explains transsexuality through sexual orientation. Since her essay, I have see a growing amount of hostility among transseuxals based on sexual orientation. These findings show there is at least one commonality among transsexuals of different sexual orientations. And I hope these findings can help us focus on our similarities rather than our differences.

In summary, a brain difference has been found between transsexual woman, non-transsexual woman, non-transsexual heterosexual men, and non-transsexual homosexual men. It is unlikely that these differences are a fluke. And these findings are generalizable to all transsexual woman, not just a single 'type'. The following essay by Marc Breedlove discusses the issue of causality. But I hope no person will place his or her legitimacy as a man or woman on the causes of transsexuality.
Quote from: pamelatransuk on July 31, 2018, 08:19:24 AM
Thank you Kirsten for such kind words. I really appreciate your posts too and I am sure we shall interact often.

I know from previous posts that you just like me "knew" at an early age but we both deferred transition (or even seeking professional advice) till shall I say "middle age". So perhaps "early onset" and "late onset" should be increased to 3 categories:

1. Early onset and taking positive action early
2. Early onset I terms of knowledge but suppressing and hence deferring positive action.
3. Late onset in terms of fully accepting and obviously taking positive action late. Many in this group would "know with hindsight" and that is understandable.

Pamela
Hi again Pamela,
I don't know how clear this copied but Madelines Wyndzen's site is full of interesting snippets. She brings up the the topic you started. The website makes very worthwhile reading!
Regards, Kirsten.
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Kirsteneklund7

 I came across this a few years ago during a bout of gender angst. It made me think G3 is me ! It is from Dr Anne Vitales "  The Gendered Self " It was a eureka moment for me. I discovered that although I wanted to be a girl since kindergarten - I was a secondary or late onset transsexual. This helped me to start dealing with the issue. Fortunately in the present day a late onset or secondary transsexual can access treatment. In the 1980's for instance only early onset or primary transsexuals could access treatment to transition ( in many cases).

(Quote),
Group One (G1) is best described as those natal males who have a high degree of cross-sexed gender identity. In these individuals, we can hypothesize that the prenatal androgenization process--if there was any at all--was minimal, leaving the default female identity intact. Furthermore, the expression of female identity of those individuals appears impossible or very difficult for them to conceal.

Group Two (G2) is composed of natal females who almost universally report a life- long history of rejecting female dress conventions along with, girls' toys and activities, and have a strong distaste for their female secondary sex characteristics. These individuals typically take full advantage of the social permissiveness allowed women in many societies to wear their hair short and dress in loose, gender-neutral clothing. These individuals rarely marry, preferring instead to partner with women who may or may not identify as lesbian. Group Two is the mirror image of Group One.

Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient to allow these individuals to appear and act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male.

As a psychotherapist I have found female identified males (G1) to be clinically similar to male-identified females (G2). That is, individuals in both groups have little or no compunction against openly presenting themselves as the other sex. Further, they make little or no effort to engage in what they feel for them would be wrong gendered social practices (i.e., the gender role assigned at birth as the basis of authority). Although I have seen some notable exceptions, especially in male-identified females, these individuals--at the time of presentation for treatment--are rarely married or have children, are rarely involved in the corporate or academic culture and are typically involved in the service industry at a blue- or pink-collar level. With little investment in trying to live as their assigned birth sex and with a lot of practice in living as closely as possible to their desired sex, these individuals report relatively low levels of anxiety about their dilemma. For those who decide transition is in their best interest, they accomplish the change with relatively little difficulty, particularly compared to G3, female-identified males.

The story is very different for Group Three. In the hope of ridding themselves of their dysphoria they tend to invest heavily in typical male activities. Being largely heterosexual, they marry and have children, hold advanced educational degrees and are involved at high levels of corporate and academic cultures. These are the invisible or cloistered gender dysphorics. They develop an aura of deep secrecy based on shame and risk of ridicule and their secret desire to be female is protected at all costs. The risk of being found out adds to the psychological and physiological pressures they experience. Transitioning from this deeply entrenched defensive position is very difficult. The irony here is that gender dysphoric symptoms appear to worsen in direct proportion to their self-enforced entrenchment in the male world. The further an individual gets from believing he can ever live as a female, the more acute and disruptive his dysphoria becomes.
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I hope that helps others. It helped me deal with the whole predicament !
Kind regards, Kirsten.
As a child prayed to be a girl- now the prayer is being answered - 40 years later !
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Janes Groove

I'm 60 and I can tell you that back when I was growing up being Gay was a lot bigger deal than it is today.
Back then you would get beat up if you were even suspected of being a ->-bleeped-<-got.  The thinking then was that the bully was doing you a favor by toughening you up and helping you to not grow up and be a ->-bleeped-<-got which was pretty much the worst thing that could ever happen to a person.   It was kind of the bully's good deed for the day.  This was all commonly accepted logic and done in the full view and support of parents, teachers and preachers.  It was terrorism and was a pretty effective way to drive a person deep into the closet.

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warlockmaker

Scientific validation of feeling, attraction, likes and dislikes etc. can only be determined on a percentage basis based on a large population sample over time. Tgs are such an evolving novelty to to masses and the population size and personal recognition are still in its infancy.

I believe that you need to further define Tgs, especially pre op versus post op. The society and culture they grew up in and their sexual preferences/experiences before they accepted they are tgs. Remember in sexual attraction age is important. CIS woman who look old and not physically attractive have a tough time attracting men. Older men have a better chance to attract younger women. This applies even more so with Tgs.

That being said, I was hetro and continue to be successfully hetro post op. I now like men.
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SadieBlake

Pamela, your observation is well supported in peer reviewed studies of transfeminine people, I think I also holds true for transmasculine, however not having a personal stake / interest in that, ftm statistics don't stick as well in my memory.

Every relevant study I've found confirms this and my hypothesis is as follows:

I think it's important to consider the cohorts that are being studied. Most of this work has been done post 1990. As such what are called late onset trans people have necessarily been baby boomers or maybe genX/y demographic with early onset mainly bridging genY into millennials.

As others have already posted, the social pressure on those who might have identified as gay in my cohort (peak of baby boomers, born 1956) was huge. Thus I think for another long while it will be hard k have an apples:apples comparison. Also since the likelihood of understanding onesself to be trans at an early age today seems much higher, one wonders if late onset may not become a rare thing. So (I would say happily) there may not be as many of is to study in the future.

Anyway Pamela, I hope you are glad to know #science agrees with your hypothesis ;-).

[Edit] that is #science agrees with you for now, #science has a way of changing her mind, she can be a fickle mistress that way ;-)
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Chloe

Quote from: KathyLauren on July 31, 2018, 06:45:10 AM
For a heterosexual trans person, the misfit would become more apparent earlier . .

          Although the terminology is wackbards, directly reversed (according to transkids.us) I also AGREE and sometimes think my early desire to transition is solely based on male homophobia or, to put another way, an overwhelming desire to just "be normal".
          Having since achieved "family goals" undercover with a woman I never identified with (she's very "tough" & "mannish") find no longer have any real interest in cis women at all!  >:-)
"But it's no use now," thought poor Alice, "to pretend be two people!
"Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make one respectable person!"
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DawnOday

Many of us late transitioners are DES Sons who were poisoned in utero and as we grew up there was no identity besides, tranvestite, pervert, gay. We were all assumed to be gay and today we still are operating under that assumption because of religious beliefs. Transgender was not even a word until the mid eighties. I was born in 1951 at the height of the DES era. There are estimated to be 1.5 million others. If I could have transitioned in my twenties or sooner,  i would have loved to have done it and who knows maybe guys would be my favorite partners. But at this point I have invested 35 years with the woman who is my best friend. I was supposed to die within five years of discovery of congestive heart failure and we stopped having sex because she thought it would hurt me. Actually we are incompatible as I have a micropenis and she has a very large vagina. How we were able to have two children is beyond me. Each time I was high and horny, Twenty five years I am still alive and kicking and we are still together. When you are as blessed as I have been it is very tough no matter how dysphoric you get, to destroy a relationship that long. Luckily the HRT is rebalancing my brain to what it was in utero and I am happy to have finally exposed my secret. I am also happy that my wife is sympathetic and encourages me to go to support groups and such. However I don't think I will ever present to her as a woman. However I do go shopping for outfits with my daughter and daughter in law, get our nails done etc. By the way I just sent that Transgender Variant finding to a friend in Michigan earlier today, who is protesting the result of the Planet Fitness trial declaring transgender women were not women.
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b3ckettn3lson

I wonder how many of us, either ftm or mtf, are asexual though because of our own dysphoria? I always thought I was bi, but anytime a relationship started getting intimate, I was just like "nope!" I am just so dysphoric and uncomfortable in my own body, I don't want anyone near me


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pamelatransuk

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on July 31, 2018, 11:19:33 PM
I came across this a few years ago during a bout of gender angst. It made me think G3 is me ! It is from Dr Anne Vitales "  The Gendered Self " It was a eureka moment for me. I discovered that although I wanted to be a girl since kindergarten - I was a secondary or late onset transsexual. This helped me to start dealing with the issue. Fortunately in the present day a late onset or secondary transsexual can access treatment. In the 1980's for instance only early onset or primary transsexuals could access treatment to transition ( in many cases).

(Quote),
Group One (G1) is best described as those natal males who have a high degree of cross-sexed gender identity. In these individuals, we can hypothesize that the prenatal androgenization process--if there was any at all--was minimal, leaving the default female identity intact. Furthermore, the expression of female identity of those individuals appears impossible or very difficult for them to conceal.

Group Two (G2) is composed of natal females who almost universally report a life- long history of rejecting female dress conventions along with, girls' toys and activities, and have a strong distaste for their female secondary sex characteristics. These individuals typically take full advantage of the social permissiveness allowed women in many societies to wear their hair short and dress in loose, gender-neutral clothing. These individuals rarely marry, preferring instead to partner with women who may or may not identify as lesbian. Group Two is the mirror image of Group One.

Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient to allow these individuals to appear and act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male.

As a psychotherapist I have found female identified males (G1) to be clinically similar to male-identified females (G2). That is, individuals in both groups have little or no compunction against openly presenting themselves as the other sex. Further, they make little or no effort to engage in what they feel for them would be wrong gendered social practices (i.e., the gender role assigned at birth as the basis of authority). Although I have seen some notable exceptions, especially in male-identified females, these individuals--at the time of presentation for treatment--are rarely married or have children, are rarely involved in the corporate or academic culture and are typically involved in the service industry at a blue- or pink-collar level. With little investment in trying to live as their assigned birth sex and with a lot of practice in living as closely as possible to their desired sex, these individuals report relatively low levels of anxiety about their dilemma. For those who decide transition is in their best interest, they accomplish the change with relatively little difficulty, particularly compared to G3, female-identified males.

The story is very different for Group Three. In the hope of ridding themselves of their dysphoria they tend to invest heavily in typical male activities. Being largely heterosexual, they marry and have children, hold advanced educational degrees and are involved at high levels of corporate and academic cultures. These are the invisible or cloistered gender dysphorics. They develop an aura of deep secrecy based on shame and risk of ridicule and their secret desire to be female is protected at all costs. The risk of being found out adds to the psychological and physiological pressures they experience. Transitioning from this deeply entrenched defensive position is very difficult. The irony here is that gender dysphoric symptoms appear to worsen in direct proportion to their self-enforced entrenchment in the male world. The further an individual gets from believing he can ever live as a female, the more acute and disruptive his dysphoria becomes.
(unquote)
 

I hope that helps others. It helped me deal with the whole predicament !
Kind regards, Kirsten.

Thank you Kirsten for all your comments and the information you kindly supplied.

Just for the record I am a babyboomer born in 1955, knew I was trans at 4 (without knowing the word) as I wished to be a girl, in childhood preferred playing with girls and was occasionally assumed to be a girl by passers by, hated puberty, heard about both gays and ->-bleeped-<-s as SEPARATE groups at this time (I was 13/14), knew about transsexuals a little later (I was 18), had a couple of girlfriends but never married partly due to never meeting the "right one" and partly due to being unhappy with my male body, still occasionally told I had a "girlish face", always preferred office or indoor work dealing with both people and paper and later electronic documents and became "Middle Management" and literally buried my GD in my work, took early retirement and then to my surprise the GD could not be reburied as it was so dominant, I sought help at 62 with therapy and HRT and I fully expect to publicly transition at age 64 next year.

So I think I fall to a small degree in Group One but mainly fall into Group Three.

Once again thank you for your input and hugs to you.

Pamela


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pamelatransuk

Quote from: SadieBlake on August 01, 2018, 02:32:29 AM
Pamela, your observation is well supported in peer reviewed studies of transfeminine people, I think I also holds true for transmasculine, however not having a personal stake / interest in that, ftm statistics don't stick as well in my memory.

Every relevant study I've found confirms this and my hypothesis is as follows:

I think it's important to consider the cohorts that are being studied. Most of this work has been done post 1990. As such what are called late onset trans people have necessarily been baby boomers or maybe genX/y demographic with early onset mainly bridging genY into millennials.

As others have already posted, the social pressure on those who might have identified as gay in my cohort (peak of baby boomers, born 1956) was huge. Thus I think for another long while it will be hard k have an apples:apples comparison. Also since the likelihood of understanding onesself to be trans at an early age today seems much higher, one wonders if late onset may not become a rare thing. So (I would say happily) there may not be as many of is to study in the future.

Anyway Pamela, I hope you are glad to know #science agrees with your hypothesis ;-).

[Edit] that is #science agrees with you for now, #science has a way of changing her mind, she can be a fickle mistress that way ;-)

Thank you Sadie for your kind words and yes it is rewarding to see science at present agrees with my hypothesis.

As I said previously I am one of those who always "knew" but lived with it as long as I could. It is wonderful now that many more of us are not only "knowing" but also actually taking positive action at a young age. However, I expect that a fair number of us will remain in hiding for the foreseeable future but in the natural course of time less numbers will conceal and eventually "Late Onset" will as you predict, be a rare occurrence. Lets hope so!

Hugs

Pamela


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