So I've been one year on hormones and the physical changes have been small and slow, very underwhelming. So the other day I remembered that when I was a preteen, like 12 and 13 and I was waiting for puberty to hit and turn me into a big man like the rest of my peers, it never really happened like that. I was a late bloomer and the changes were slow and I still was skinny and with a baby face while a lot of my school mates looked like they were 20 when they actually were 14. It was until I was 22-23 that my body really started to fill up and get more masculine.

So anyways now that I'm transitioning I was thinking, maybe that's just how my body reacts to these things, and it'll take a while for me to develop that super womanly figure. What has been your experience in this regard? Does puberty #1 match puberty #2?

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on September 03, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
So I've been one year on hormones and the physical changes have been small and slow, very underwhelming. So the other day I remembered that when I was a preteen, like 12 and 13 and I was waiting for puberty to hit and turn me into a big man like the rest of my peers, it never really happened like that. I was a late bloomer and the changes were slow and I still was skinny and with a baby face while a lot of my school mates looked like they were 20 when they actually were 14. It was until I was 22-23 that my body really started to fill up and get more masculine.

So anyways now that I'm transitioning I was thinking, maybe that's just how my body reacts to these things, and it'll take a while for me to develop that super womanly figure. What has been your experience in this regard? Does puberty #1 match puberty #2?

This may sound nutty but I think I'm on my 4th or 5th puberty, and this ones a nasty one. Boobs back to aching randomly, hot flashes, skin super smooth, bitchy, emotional mess.  And if you've ever read my threads a whole heck of a lot more going on this time round because I **stayed** on HRT this time instead of running out of money & stopping.  I started the ball rolling on things that may have been best asleep.  Trying to play catchup after 40+ years of not maturing is no fun.

So ya puberty # whatever this is is worse than #1.  #1 kinda wimped out  totally on me lol. I just grew tall, nothing else really.

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on September 03, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
So I've been one year on hormones and the physical changes have been small and slow, very underwhelming. So the other day I remembered that when I was a preteen, like 12 and 13 and I was waiting for puberty to hit and turn me into a big man like the rest of my peers, it never really happened like that. I was a late bloomer and the changes were slow and I still was skinny and with a baby face while a lot of my school mates looked like they were 20 when they actually were 14. It was until I was 22-23 that my body really started to fill up and get more masculine.

So anyways now that I'm transitioning I was thinking, maybe that's just how my body reacts to these things, and it'll take a while for me to develop that super womanly figure. What has been your experience in this regard? Does puberty #1 match puberty #2?

Yeah, that was my experience as well, but this time around your bones are already fused, and estrogen will not be able to reverse the changes from testosterone. I've been on HRT for 12 years, and if I was not able to have feminizing surgeries, I wouldn't have had enough feminization from HRT alone; however, I was older than you are when I started, so hopefully HRT will feminize you more.

My first puberty was anticlimactic to say the least. By the time I had started HRT (at the age of 25), the only masculine features I had were an adam's apple and light facial hair. Male puberty began at age 17.

The second puberty brought about much more femininity than I ever had in masculinity. That was also slow in coming, taking 2 years before I began having any level of satisfaction with it.

It seems common for late bloomers to be slow with both their first and second puberties. It certainly was in my case.

My initial physical puberty was late, I think there might have been something up with me physiologically for it to be so late. But when it did occur, I'd already gone through the mental stuff a couple of years before thinking "it's going to happen any day now" until I wore that out, and when it did happen I just kind of ignored it all as much as possible. I also kept it hidden from my family as much as I could until one incident when it couldn't be kept under the table, and I remember thinking "oh God, they know" and then shortly after just forgetting all about the fact they knew since I was so good at forgetting about the thing in general. I think the changes were fairly slow.

Puberty 2.0 was like the Marge's Makeup Shotgun of puberties. Everything all at once, most of it done with by month 3 or 4. Not possible to hide or cleverly explain. I guess it's all come through pretty good by the 1.5 year mark, considering. But testosterone is known to get to work practically immediately in a lot of people. Hasn't had the same effect on my mind - I wanted this one, and not the air-headed youth I was before going off the rails.

Puberty #1 was underwhelming and came in two parts.  Part one hit when I was 14 1/2.  My voice got deep, I grew from 4 foot 10 to 5 foot 4, my hands and feet got big.  And that was it.  I started college 5 foot 6, 120 lbs, and girls treating me like I was this friendly, genderless alien being.

Part two hit when I was twenty one.  I grew to 5 foot 8, put on 25 pounds of upper body muscle, and that was it.

My second puberty, which started at 53, by contrast has been awe inspiring.  My whole body has changed, gotten a lot curvier, my center of gravity is lower, I walk differently.  My face is far more feminine.  The changes have come slowly over a two year period, and sometimes it is hard to see them— until I notice that my clothes fit differently, for example.

To answer your question, this one has been far more fun than the last one.  The only real downer is the late night muscle aches in my arms, back and legs as the estrogen strips out male muscle.

But other than that little thing, it has all been steady progress in the right direction.

I don't remember much about puberty number one except I really didn't enjoy it. Puberty number two? I don't mind it to be honest. The breast pain I could live without... The impulsiveness at 43 is an issue but its manageable. Bringing back the crazy libido I can live without!

I hated it, I knew exactly what was happening and what was going to happen. What I wasn't prepared for and finally realised at about 15 was that no matter how much my body may have changed and I now looked, sounded, acted all boy my mind remained as it always was...that of a young girl...I didn't know that's what the issue was but I was sure that once puberty started all the "Girl feelings" would line up to be "Boy feelings" and everything would be right with the world...that didn't happen of course and the more masculine I became the more desperate I became as the realisation grew that this was never going to change. That is a simplification of a very complex issue for me...at puberty I just expected everything would align but to my absolute despair I still had this awful need to disassociate...but while I was disassociating I  was getting relief from my GD...so between the ages of sometime under 3 till about 14-15 years old. I did it a lot more when I was younger and I guess because I got no other relief and as I grew older I began to find ways to alleviate these feelings

This puberty has changed me and every now and then I will be filled with a great sense of contentment, (the first time it happened about a year ago I was stunned as I had not experienced anything like it since I was about 7) and it usually strikes at the weirdest times. But the longer this puberty goes on the more I experience that contentment. I like this one far better than I liked my first one...I will never get what I should have had but then you can't have everything you want in life either.


Liz

Hi

The major difference for me is that puberty #1 came with terribly horrendous identity confusion - boy, girl, straight, gay - and puberty #2 came with utter serenity.

As for the changes from HRT, yes, they were distinctly underwhelming in their physical manifestation.  But my sense of smell became very acute, especially in noting how men smell, and I also became much more in touch with my emotions.

I've been on HRT for 4 years now, and the only thing to report is that, despite being physically active, it's much easier to accumulate fat, in the wrong places of course.

xxx
Julia

Quote from: julia-madrid on September 04, 2018, 03:41:15 AM
Hi

The major difference for me is that puberty #1 came with terribly horrendous identity confusion - boy, girl, straight, gay - and puberty #2 came with utter serenity.

As for the changes from HRT, yes, they were distinctly underwhelming in their physical manifestation.  But my sense of smell became very acute, especially in noting how men smell, and I also became much more in touch with my emotions.

I've been on HRT for 4 years now, and the only thing to report is that, despite being physically active, it's much easier to accumulate fat, in the wrong places of course.

xxx
Julia

I feel you girl. I've only been a year but I honestly think HRT is a big joke. I'll probably stick to my current dose for another year and then will cut back to the lowest one, I really don't see the point of having a bigger dose if it still does nothing besides making me super sensitive and a crier.

I remember you chiming in on a thread about the similarity of men and women with ectomorphic bodies. Have you considered gaining  a healthy amount of weight?

First puberty, I sadly accepted what happened to my body.  I had already come to the realization that I couldn't stop it, so I dealt with it as best I could.  I wasn't happy, but it was a fascinating thing to "watch."

Second puberty, I'm chronicling what's happening to my body, and loving every moment of it, from the deepening of my voice to the growing of my first beard.  All of it is making me extremely happy!  I'm having a "Its about freakin' time!" kind of attitude about it all.

This time around is most definitely better than the first time around!

Ryuichi

 

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on September 04, 2018, 04:27:50 AM
I feel you girl. I've only been a year but I honestly think HRT is a big joke. I'll probably stick to my current dose for another year and then will cut back to the lowest one, I really don't see the point of having a bigger dose if it still does nothing besides making me super sensitive and a crier.

I was on a high dose of shots and pills for several years, and it didn't seem to cause more feminization, so I requested to go on the patch a couple of years ago, and I also stopped taking spironolactone; my estrogen level is ~150, and my t level is ~3.

It's pretty much kinda the same for me in that with both male AND now "female" (lol) puberty I just get fat!!
I guess I have the fat genes... And I also have the stubborn fatty pouch and arms to show for it lol oh I feel so lucky...[emoji45]
It's rough I never imagined I'd go through puberty again... I made this decision I guess.
Yes, the emotional changes are very intense. But our expectations have to be realistic... I doubt people who've stuck with hrt and saw dramatic changes overtime on it are on this thread commenting ...

How I kinda like to see it is that transitioning is a scary thing until it's not

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Quote from: Virginia on September 04, 2018, 06:28:32 AM
I remember you chiming in on a thread about the similarity of men and women with ectomorphic bodies. Have you considered gaining  a healthy amount of weight?

I've considered it but I'm scared it'll go to the wrong places.

My first puberty brought on dysphoria around 11. I literally thought multiple times about cutting the things out myself. Eventually I convinced myself that I was just stuck being what I was. My voice dropped in Jr High but that was about it. I never developed much muscle until 17. I could barely do 1 pull up all through high school despite being fairly active and decently fit. Oh how I hated that physical fitness test week! I didn't get really strong muscled until 19-21. I grew facial hair but did not start to have body hair until nearly 30. Since I avoided people after high school I guess I never knew what was "normal". Until that age I had what I understand now was a female pubic hair pattern.
What I remember about 1st puberty was mostly hating my body. Acne, oh yeh that for a couple of years. But mainly haing my body. To myself I hated how I was a boy but then also how much I was not manly like the other boys were.

Second puberty is right nice! I feel whole for the first time that I can remember. I can let my guard down and let my emotions flow naturally. I just "feel" right inside. Now I wish I could remove all the markings that testosterone left on me. I'm working toward that best I can.  I'd say my body took to estrogen where it disliked testosterone.

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on September 03, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
So I've been one year on hormones and the physical changes have been small and slow, very underwhelming. So the other day I remembered that when I was a preteen, like 12 and 13 and I was waiting for puberty to hit and turn me into a big man like the rest of my peers, it never really happened like that. I was a late bloomer and the changes were slow and I still was skinny and with a baby face while a lot of my school mates looked like they were 20 when they actually were 14. It was until I was 22-23 that my body really started to fill up and get more masculine.

So anyways now that I'm transitioning I was thinking, maybe that's just how my body reacts to these things, and it'll take a while for me to develop that super womanly figure. What has been your experience in this regard? Does puberty #1 match puberty #2?

Thank you Charlie Nicki for such an interesting topic.

I dreaded the arrival of my first puberty and then pretended to ignore it. I was also a late bloomer as my voice only broke at 17 and I did not have to shave my face till 18. I was (like many teenagers) overweight and thankfully developed moobs but the body hair I hated; it was mainly arms and legs and a little on my chest. I immediately took action to fight it by regular bodyshaving and if anyone noticed scratches, I said I did it gardening. I saw first puberty as something we had to undergo and suffer. I wished primarily to be a woman but as that was not possible, at least to defer puberty and remain a child.

I have been on HRT 7 months which is 50 years late for puberty but in the therapy beforehand, I was really looking forward to it. Having started, I am enjoying it very much as I am able to feel both a sense of peace and contentment and experience emotions more. It was wonderful to feel the breast buds and now to see small breasts and minor fat redistribution and minor facial change. I will not build my hopes up as I think that ultimately (2020 or 2021), I may need BA and I will not get female hips . However at this early stage of my second puberty, I can truly say I am reveling in it.

So first horrible but alleviated by moobs by being overweight. Second delightful and moobs becoming boobs!

Hugs to all

Pamela