I always look for the good, and how to turn sticky situations into blessings.

Say you don't pass as a female, but are stuck with boobs, and have to go outside as a male with boobs.

Me, whenever I read about school shootings in the news, I panick, and feel unsafe. Deep down, I want to walk around with body armour, to keep me feeling safe.

But I have always been afraid to wear body armour, because it is not cool with what society wants. Society wants to make me an expendable, vunerable male, who obeys social norms.

But if I had boobs, and did not pass as a female and had to go out as male, I would now have a valid excuse for wearing body armour. When the fascist police pulled me over for wearing armour, I could simply take off my armour, and then it would be obvious, no questions asked, why I was wearing the armour. Seeing my boobs, the cops would just silently walk away, giving me a nod of reverence. My motto is, turn your lemons into lemonade.

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on September 05, 2018, 06:34:36 AM
I trialled HRT under medical supervision and a psychologist. I suspected it might help. I was suffering mentally. First I tried testosterone supplement to cure my desire to be a woman along with anxiety, unease and depression. It made my situation even worse .
  In therapy I dug deep and unearthed the drivers behind wanting to be a woman. MTF HRT brought rapid relief to the point of being happy just being me . That trial gave me the answers!

  Kirsten x [emoji126]

PS I love my b-cup boobs even though I hide them for work.

It's weird in a way. Having these full C-cups gives me a type of comfort throughout the day when I am also hiding my breasts. My life (as a man outside home) is seriously dysfunctional (family, career, etc.) so being a woman at home gives me great relief. I can relax in ways that I could not before HRT (and before breasts). It just works for me...

Quote from: Angelic on September 05, 2018, 09:50:09 AM

My motto is, turn your lemons into lemonade.

I think that's turning lemons into hand grenades! XD

Quote from: Shellie Hart on September 05, 2018, 10:13:18 AM
It's weird in a way. Having these full C-cups gives me a type of comfort throughout the day when I am also hiding my breasts. My life (as a man outside home) is seriously dysfunctional (family, career, etc.) so being a woman at home gives me great relief. I can relax in ways that I could not before HRT (and before breasts). It just works for me...

I can relate to the comfort and relaxation. In a nutshell tits are great! Do you ever get tempted to present female in public Shellie?
             Kind regards, Kirsten.

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Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on September 05, 2018, 01:52:48 PM
I can relate to the comfort and relaxation. In a nutshell tits are great! Do you ever get tempted to present female in public Shellie?
             Kind regards, Kirsten.

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No, I am never tempted to do that simply because I have a masculine face. I couldn't do it even if I wanted to. But I do very occasionally dress somewhat girly (tight pants, shirt, etc.). I get too many looks, though. So I keep it "real" when outside home. But these breasts are fun at all times -- during the day when they bounce constantly behind bulky shirts and at home when I live my true self and let them be free...

I'm jealous - I would kill for c- cups. I'm praying for more development. You are lucky!
          Kirsten[emoji3317]


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Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on September 05, 2018, 01:52:48 PM
I can relate to the comfort and relaxation. In a nutshell tits are great! Do you ever get tempted to present female in public Shellie?
             Kind regards, Kirsten.

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Thanks for being so open.   

For those of you that are not "out" to the world, but on full HRT and have had breast growth, how do you hide "it" during the day?   

This is my next fear...at home and work...would love the emotional and physical changes of estrogen, but don't want to be out (at least at this point).

Karen

Quote from: Karen on September 05, 2018, 03:51:15 PM
Thanks for being so open.   

For those of you that are not "out" to the world, but on full HRT and have had breast growth, how do you hide "it" during the day?   

This is my next fear...at home and work...would love the emotional and physical changes of estrogen, but don't want to be out (at least at this point).

Karen

I have answered this question in some older posts. Basically I just try to ignore what others are doing. They look and I am sure some want to ask questions. But I mostly wear bulky shirts when outside home. I just otherwise bounce along!

At home I am naked a lot and let them be free as I have said. I just love the feelings and sensations of growing (heavy) breasts. Altogether I have a feminine look (from the neck down) and enjoy that part of my life when I am alone at home. Pretty simple really....

I wear a t-shirt bra day to day under my workshirt. This was not revealing initially but now things are starting to show. Plan b involves a sports bra that keeps everything a bit flatter. The last thing I want to do- though- is create a binding effect that hurts and might upset the shape of my growing breasts.
      I suspect someone will see down my top in the end anyway. Just playing by ear (and loving it!)
                        Yours truly, Kirsten[emoji126]

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I knew I was transgender since I was a 5 year old, but never understood it, took blackmarket hormones in my mid 20's, after my military contract was up, then quit due to finances and family. Started again at age 44(mental health/MD authorized), certain I would never go back, I"m going for male fail(live in a rough environment). How I hide my development, I use a widowmaker tshirt with a crewneck/vneck tshirt and a jacket at work, even when its blazing hot outside(feel I have to protect my girls) and my clothes drape over me very different now(curvy somewhat).
Did I doubt I was a tg/ts?, nope, its a gnawing feeling from way deep inside, since I was little boy that testosterone is doing its work and its just destroying my inner fabric of identity, I just denied it, it was just tearing me up, this testosterone.
The litmus test if your tg/ts is hrt, is what mental health professionals use, if your sex drive is killed, on estrogen and you fall off the hrt wagon, more than likely you may not be ts/tg.
I myself have been on hrt since late 2012(spironolactone since 2004/estrogen since 2012)and  and have inner serenity now, apparent secondary development or not, I have great inner peace with myself, even against rough and tumble turmoil of my environment, but still eyeing and craving more feminization(ffs/body mods), just feel way more vulnerable now.
Will I get grs/srs/ffs? Probably will, since my body is so female wired now since being on hrt on and off since 1995.

I don't know if this answers the question, but its been my experience and readings. Sorry if I went off a tangent.

Hello again Karen

You will know from my previous reply 8, that I am going public in 2019 and therefore I am now "private" with the occasional trip out en femme.

I am taking a couple of holidays/vacation in 2018 and I know I must hide my growing breasts. I usually go braless in the house for the same reason as Kirsten - to prevent any detrimental effect - but wear sports bra outside. I know I will need a larger jacket for my holidays to hide them. I have received "the long stare" but never any comments.

Hugs to all

Pamela

Quote from: Karen on September 05, 2018, 03:51:15 PM
For those of you that are not "out" to the world, but on full HRT and have had breast growth, how do you hide "it" during the day?   

I understand the potential for self consciousness, but you concerns likely have more to do with the SpotLight/Transparency Effect than being any sort of giveaway if the rest of your presentation is solidly masculine. I have been on a typical transition level HRT regimen for 9 years. The only comment I get from anyone about my 34B breasts when I go without a shirt is that I have "great pecs." That said, my female alter turns alot of heads when she wears a bikini at the beach.  With as common an additive as estrogen has become, and the general tendency of people to be overweight, more and more guys have Gynecomastia and manboobs.  The only person who would likely notice, or for that matter care about, your nipples is you.

I don't think you need to worry quite as much as you'd think.  Most of the development you get from HRT is much more gradual than that.  The emotional changes were honestly one of the first things I noticed.  After that, I noticed my skin getting softer.  Those aren't things that would be a big issue to the rest of the world.  I noticed my libido drop pretty quick and "morning wood" disappeared.  Again, nobody else is really going to notice that, but I remember being absolutely delighted.  If you have a wife/girlfriend/partner they might notice this change, but that's about as far as other people noticing is going to stretch.

If you're worried about general body shape or breasts or other changes that would make it impossible to pass as a dude, those all take more time.  I think my chest was still small enough to hide things for, say, a year or so on HRT.  There wasn't even enough boobage to be worth mentioning until, say, 3 years in.  Again, this is something a romantic partner might notice more than the general public or people might notice more if you go shirtless very often (do you go to the beach much?) but you still have time. 

As for me, I wanted to hurry up and get on HRT just because I was thinking, it helps people feel calmer and more at peace and I desperately wanted that.  Truth is, I transitioned because it was my bucket list; I was planning to commit suicide and I put it off so I could attempt transition.  So my situation feels a little different from a lot of people because I didn't really feel like I had much to lose.  So I get it.  There can be a lot to lose.  It can be scary.  But it's a fear that can be faced.

If you already have noticeabley large breasts as a male, how fast do they start growing from that point? Mine aren't way out of the ordinary for a man, but they're at the upper limit for "normal" male breast size proportionate to the rest of my body mass. Like, they already bounce around when running or walking down stairs, and I'm pretty sure they're in the B cup range; hard to say since the bras I've tried on don't fit well because I'm wider than most women with my breast size.

If I don't have as far to go to reach female-proportioned breasts, does that mean I would have less time before people would notice?

@Lucca
I am assuming you are not on HRT, but it is not clear if you are talking about actual breast development from gynecomastia or moobs from being overweight. In all cases the side effects of estrogen on the male body are unpredictable. 

Whether or not people might notice breast development has to do with proportion. You do not mention your weight/height, but no one questions the 34B breasts I have developed after 9 years on HRT on my 5'10" 146 pound frame when I go without a shirt. C-D cup breasts might cause awkward stares. On the other hand, I have a friend who is 6'4" 493 pounds with moobs in the DD range. No one questions his gender because of them.

And there is a big difference between someone noticing and actually commenting about what they see...

Quote from: TaraJo on September 07, 2018, 10:19:24 PM
I don't think you need to worry quite as much as you'd think.  Most of the development you get from HRT is much more gradual than that.  The emotional changes were honestly one of the first things I noticed.  After that, I noticed my skin getting softer.  Those aren't things that would be a big issue to the rest of the world.  I noticed my libido drop pretty quick and "morning wood" disappeared.  Again, nobody else is really going to notice that, but I remember being absolutely delighted.  If you have a wife/girlfriend/partner they might notice this change, but that's about as far as other people noticing is going to stretch.

If you're worried about general body shape or breasts or other changes that would make it impossible to pass as a dude, those all take more time.  I think my chest was still small enough to hide things for, say, a year or so on HRT.  There wasn't even enough boobage to be worth mentioning until, say, 3 years in.  Again, this is something a romantic partner might notice more than the general public or people might notice more if you go shirtless very often (do you go to the beach much?) but you still have time. 

As for me, I wanted to hurry up and get on HRT just because I was thinking, it helps people feel calmer and more at peace and I desperately wanted that.  Truth is, I transitioned because it was my bucket list; I was planning to commit suicide and I put it off so I could attempt transition.  So my situation feels a little different from a lot of people because I didn't really feel like I had much to lose.  So I get it.  There can be a lot to lose.  It can be scary.  But it's a fear that can be faced.

Thanks TaraJo

This helps.  My worry is body / breast changes.  I am not ready to transition yet and it can't impact my work.  Thus if I do estrogen, I want to be able to hide breast development for sometime. 

Thanks.

Karen

I did an 8-week low-dose exercise using E patches. This was enough to confirm the mental effects without any physical changes. It wasn't fun stopping after such a low dose though, beware. X

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I'm pre-HRT, and I have no idea if what I have would be classified as gynecomastia or not. While I'm not super skinny, I'm not overweight either, so I don't have the "man-boobs" that normally come with being overweight. I do also have fairly developed nipples that tend to become "erect" when I'm cold, which is something that women experience all the time, but I've never heard a man say they have.

You can look on a few plastic surgery websites to get an idea of how your growth compares to various band/cup sized.  Everyone's nipple get hard when they are cold. A man's penis also gets soft but I do not know know about a woman's clitoris.

Quote from: Megan. on September 08, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
I did an 8-week low-dose exercise using E patches. This was enough to confirm the mental effects without any physical changes. It wasn't fun stopping after such a low dose though, beware. X

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wasn't fun because of loss of perceived positive mental effects from being on low dose, or negative effects from stopping?