California bishops support bill that would undo SB 777



""SB 777 was signed into law by Governor Schwarzenegger last year," said a news release from Huff's office. "It added a new definition to sexuality in the Education Code to include heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual and transgender lifestyles. SB 777 also disallows school instruction to promote any bias against such newly articulated alternative lifestyle choices. Opponents of SB 777 believe that by expanding the definition of sexuality and increasing prohibitions against bias, a reverse-bias in favor of alternative lifestyles is actually created. "

"Many citizens were shocked and surprised when SB 777 passed the legislature last year," said Karen England, executive director of Capitol Resource Institute, a pro-family lobbying group in Sacramento. "The bill passed because not enough citizens were informed or involved in the process. Every citizen outraged by SB 777 now has an opportunity to express their opinion directly to lawmakers during the committee hearing next Wednesday." "

I really hope they post my comment, 'cause I would love to start a debate on this thing.

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I am puzzled how legislation that protects people from discrimination, hateful speech and violence qualifies as reverse discrimination. Free expression without the fear of retribution is a founding principle of the US. Teaching children to respect each other's differences while being safe and secure in their own beliefs and expressions is surely a good thing?

Teaching children to respect each other's differences while being safe and secure in their own beliefs and expressions is surely a good thing?

Um, honey?  We're talking religion here.  When has a religion (in particular Christianity, and the Roman Catholic Church in specific) been happy to let others "safe and secure in their own beliefs and expressions."  Why if my upbringing in Catholic Schools serves me in history - which was largely a history of the Catholic Church and the Time of Jesus - the Catholics invented both the Inquisition (and everyone knows the Spanish Inquisition, there were three other ones) and the Crusades precisely to keep people from being "safe and secure in their own beliefs and expressions."  And for the record: I'm not just saying its Christianity, though they have a pretty packed history of it, I would not want to be opening the Jesus Loves Me Bookstore in downtown Riyadh either.

Quote from: tekla on March 31, 2008, 09:22:48 AM
Um, honey?  We're talking religion here.

Yeah I know, but it's not like they can come out and say that. I'm trying to catch them out... 

~Simone,
         Master of Puppets. Dance puppets, dance!

Quotedisallows school instruction to promote any bias against such newly articulated alternative lifestyle choices...

Here we go again...

I love how these people slip their misleading propaganda to the public by cloaking it within a broader issue. Very clever. No one ever thinks to question the ridiculous and demeaning assumptions everything rests upon.

~Kate~

Quote from: Kate on March 31, 2008, 12:34:45 PM

Quotedisallows school instruction to promote any bias against such newly articulated alternative lifestyle choices...

Here we go again...

I love how these people slip their misleading propaganda to the public by cloaking it within a broader issue. Very clever. No one ever thinks to question the ridiculous and demeaning assumptions everything rests upon.

~Kate~

Yeah but isn't if funny that they call heterosexuality a "lifestyle" too?

Quotedisallows school instruction to promote any bias against such newly articulated alternative lifestyle choices...

Well, here's my lifestyle:  I get up in the morning at 4:45, go to the bathroom, shave, eat breakfast, shower, get dressed, take the bus to work, work all day, take the bus home (or to class or martial arts practice), eat supper, do my homework, go to bed.  I'm glad they are so worried about my lifestyle choices.

Quote from: Lisbeth on March 31, 2008, 03:09:22 PM
Well, here's my lifestyle:  I get up in the morning at 4:45, go to the bathroom, shave, eat breakfast, shower, get dressed, take the bus to work, work all day, take the bus home (or to class or martial arts practice), eat supper, do my homework, go to bed.  I'm glad they are so worried about my lifestyle choices.

Oy, Lisbeth, you forgot to include the trans agenda of destroying the family and Christianity... I usually squeeze that in after supper  >

And Lady A, your comments are great!

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on March 31, 2008, 03:17:11 PM

Quote from: Lisbeth on March 31, 2008, 03:09:22 PM
Well, here's my lifestyle:  I get up in the morning at 4:45, go to the bathroom, shave, eat breakfast, shower, get dressed, take the bus to work, work all day, take the bus home (or to class or martial arts practice), eat supper, do my homework, go to bed.  I'm glad they are so worried about my lifestyle choices.

Oy, Lisbeth, you forgot to include the trans agenda of destroying the family and Christianity... I usually squeeze that in after supper  >

Right! That's why it's all especially SO insidious and corrupting... because you do all these normal things, but while "pretending to be a woman!" If normal people see you doing normal things... they might get the idea that our "crossdressing" is normal too! And kids see it, and think it's OK... and they tell two freinds... and they tell two friends...

I mean it IS sad to see that people willingly lose themselves in such self-righteous paranoia. In a bizarre way, I DO think they mean well - at least in THEIR heads. If they truly believe "alternative lifestyles" are learned and spread through exposure, and that they're sinful, then it DOES make sense in a sad kinda way.

~Kate~

Quote from: tekla on March 31, 2008, 09:22:48 AM
Teaching children to respect each other's differences while being safe and secure in their own beliefs and expressions is surely a good thing?

Um, honey?  We're talking religion here.  When has a religion (in particular Christianity, and the Roman Catholic Church in specific) been happy to let others "safe and secure in their own beliefs and expressions."  Why if my upbringing in Catholic Schools serves me in history - which was largely a history of the Catholic Church and the Time of Jesus - the Catholics invented both the Inquisition (and everyone knows the Spanish Inquisition, there were three other ones) and the Crusades precisely to keep people from being "safe and secure in their own beliefs and expressions."  And for the record: I'm not just saying its Christianity, though they have a pretty packed history of it, I would not want to be opening the Jesus Loves Me Bookstore in downtown Riyadh either.

Oops, did they leave out the early-Church heretic hunts that truly picked-up steam after Constantine stated the Church? And I suppose they also forgot the misogyny that took hold with Irenaeus of Lyon and the rising power of the bishops in the early second century?  

I'm afraid tekla has the high-ground on this. Absolutely spot on. And the 'Reformed' Christians took those aspects of Catholicism when they smashed images and altars and put them to exuberant use. Many miss those days. I suppose the wonder is that fires don't burn still for the auto-de-fes.

N~

Reverse bias in favor of alternative lifestyles

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03/31/2008

"A bill that would excise the phrase "sexual orientation" from an anti-discrimination provision of the state Education Code has won the backing of the California Catholic Conference, the public policy arm of the state's bishops."

Quote from: Zythyra on March 31, 2008, 03:17:11 PM

Quote from: Lisbeth on March 31, 2008, 03:09:22 PM
Well, here's my lifestyle:  I get up in the morning at 4:45, go to the bathroom, shave, eat breakfast, shower, get dressed, take the bus to work, work all day, take the bus home (or to class or martial arts practice), eat supper, do my homework, go to bed.  I'm glad they are so worried about my lifestyle choices.

Oy, Lisbeth, you forgot to include the trans agenda of destroying the family and Christianity... I usually squeeze that in after supper  >

And Lady A, your comments are great!

Z

Oh, I squeezed that in last night.  I went to a Town Hall Meeting with Mara Kiesling.