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Started by Paige, October 01, 2018, 01:47:48 PM

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Paige

Hi All,

With the best selling book, "How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence" by Michael Pollan and all the research that has started, I'm very curious if this might help with my dysphoria.  I'm wondering if it might ease the anxiety and depression and or give me some clarity on a course of action.  I'm stuck on low dose E and unable to commit to transitioning with all the family and social implications.

Has anyone had any experience with this?  Did it help? Is it a crazy idea?

Thanks so much,
Paige :)

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Jessica

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This is an interesting thought and as long as the conversation stays within the clinical aspect of it, it should be okay. 
We don't want to be advocating the use of illegal substances here on Susan's Place.

Hugs, Jessica

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Paige

Thanks Jessica.  No I don't want to advocate that either.  I'm just curious with all the new research being done in this area.

Paige :)
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ErinAscending

My wife is friends with another therapist who is certified in the use of such tools in the implementation of therapy for PTSD.  We were talking about it once not too long ago as it may have some benefit for me in that regard.  I had kind of the same question for her about whether it would be beneficial for my GD and she said that it was unlikely.
The idea is that it can help break down mental blocks which get in the way of dealing with repressed emotions.  Once you do that you can then deal with the emotions.  The psychedelics are NOT used to deal with the feelings just to break them open in the first place. 

I was told that, from what she knew and she admits she is NOT a specialist, since I have obviously already connected to my feelings regarding gender identity, it probably wouldn't do much for the GD at all.

Edit:  Let me add I was counseled not to "Try This At Home" and only consider it as an option under the care of a trained therapist.  You get into the wrong mind frame when doing this kind of thing and you CAUSE damage instead of helping heal it.
Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes. - Oscar Wilde
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Alice (nym)

Quote from: Paige on October 01, 2018, 01:47:48 PM
I'm stuck on low dose E and unable to commit to transitioning with all the family and social implications.

Hi Paige,

I was wondering how is that working? (the low dose E).  I am assuming not so well by the nature of your post but because I am currently exploring my options while waiting for my first therapist appointment, I was curious as to how you are finding it.

Thanks

nym
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Stevie

They didn't work for me in the 70's. 
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Virginia

I have a close personal friend who made an amazing turn around with their 15+ year drug addiction after traveling to South America to partake in an Ayahuasca ceremony. I have heard good things about it for the treatment for PTSD on several forums, but would never risk it for my DID because of the danger of quick fix therapies like EMDR and hypnotherapy for extreme dissociative disorders.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Paige

Quote from: ErinAscending on October 01, 2018, 04:29:30 PM
My wife is friends with another therapist who is certified in the use of such tools in the implementation of therapy for PTSD.  We were talking about it once not too long ago as it may have some benefit for me in that regard.  I had kind of the same question for her about whether it would be beneficial for my GD and she said that it was unlikely.
The idea is that it can help break down mental blocks which get in the way of dealing with repressed emotions.  Once you do that you can then deal with the emotions.  The psychedelics are NOT used to deal with the feelings just to break them open in the first place. 

I was told that, from what she knew and she admits she is NOT a specialist, since I have obviously already connected to my feelings regarding gender identity, it probably wouldn't do much for the GD at all.

Edit:  Let me add I was counseled not to "Try This At Home" and only consider it as an option under the care of a trained therapist.  You get into the wrong mind frame when doing this kind of thing and you CAUSE damage instead of helping heal it.

It's not really for gender dysphoria that I'm considering this.  It's more about getting over the social aspects of transitioning.  With over 50 years of battling GD, I have no doubt I'm trans and will be for the rest of my life.  My concern is to get rid of the depression and social anxiety that stops me from dealing with it.

I agree with your counsel, everything I've read suggest doing this only with an experienced therapist.

Thanks for the reply ErinAscending.
Paige :)
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Paige

Quote from: Nym on October 01, 2018, 05:24:00 PM
Hi Paige,

I was wondering how is that working? (the low dose E).  I am assuming not so well by the nature of your post but because I am currently exploring my options while waiting for my first therapist appointment, I was curious as to how you are finding it.

Thanks

nym

Hi Nym,

I've been on low dose E for 3 years now.  It has help me considerably, it moderated some of my gender dysphoria for a while.  Some of this was the result of psychological changes, (calmer, less angry)  and some the mild body changes,( breast size A , slightly larger, rounder bottom and thinner waist and face).  My wife says some of my hair has grown back.  I've tried to stop a few times and it just about drove me mad.   

My wife is not accepting and doesn't want me to transition.  This is why I chose low dose E as a compromise.  Unfortunately it seems like I need to up my dose because my GD has returned with a bit of a vengeance.   I'm under a lot of stress right now so that could be part of the problem.

It seems from reading other peoples stories about low dose E, that experiences are very individual.  There are people here who've done it much longer than me and seem to be okay with that.  Others have slowly increased and transitioned.  I guess like many transgender issues, your mileage may vary.

Take care,
Paige :)
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Paige

Quote from: Virginia on October 01, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
I have a close personal friend who made an amazing turn around with their 15+ year drug addiction after traveling to South America to partake in an Ayahuasca ceremony. I have heard good things about it for the treatment for PTSD on several forums, but would never risk it for my DID because of the danger of quick fix therapies like EMDR and hypnotherapy for extreme dissociative disorders.

It does seem to be a bit of a last grasp for help.  I actually asked my therapist by email and she didn't think it was such a crazy idea.  I'm still debating what to do and how. 

Thanks for the input Virginia,
Paige :)
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Steffi

Hi

I'm almost retirement age and nearing a decade post-op.  I've known that I had a gender problem since I was an infant.

In the decade beginning 1969/70 I took LSD, mushrooms and other mind expanding substances many times.
I am sure that the experiences taught me a lot about myself, were overall very beneficial and had no negative effects - other than confirming my disdain and despair at the general direction humanity is going in.

All research into the potential use of such substances was completely shut down for many decades by authorities outraged at a generation which valued feelings and personal contentment above the mere accumulation of excessive amounts of material possessions.
I noted with great interest the recently begun research into the use of such substances in therapies and various constructive ways.  I applaud these efforts and am sure that if not obstructed and if evaluated fairly they will ultimately give rise to some very successful treatments for a variety of illnesses and problems.

It seems likely to me however that the interests of big pharma will stamp these out as soon as positive benefits are shown to occur.  It is not in their financial interest to have you take a couple of trips and be rid of your anxiety, depression etc when they could be selling you in perpetuity a continuous supply of chemicals of marginal benefit and unknown long-term negative effects - these are after all the same people who have flooded the USA with highly addictive opioid derivatives or substitutes.  The same people who in the 1950's when serious questions arose about Thalidomide causing birth deformities led to it's ban in some European countries, they merely increased their marketing drive in the countries which hadn't banned it yet.
Do  not look to "the authorities" for unbiased, factual reporting of the efficacy of psychedelics.
- nor unbiased, factual reporting of much else either, for that matter.

But to focus on the specific point of the OP -
As an experienced user of such substances and also a transsexual, I cannot report that the drugs were of any help in specifically decreasing my gender dysphoria.
My experiences did result in me adopting a fatalistic attitude to a great many things in the world that were clearly wrong but there was zero hope of changing - it is possible that a similar effect occurred upon my GD, but I am not specifically aware of it if so.
Indeed, my first crisis with GD occurred when I was 24, not long before I ceased using psychedelics and at that time I reached a desperate enough state to Out myself to family, visit a psych and join the Beaumont Society.
After that, I settled down to trying to accept myself as and live as a part-time ->-bleeped-<-.  That was not particularly comfortable and I did eventually transition anyway, 30 years later.
- at which point my major thought was "I should have done this long ago."

I am sure that I did not have any "bad trips" specifically about GD - but that doesn't mean that others wouldn't.

Every person is different and their experiences with psychedelics would be different, but from my own personal experience, I do not think that they are likely to help in the specific regard of decreasing feelings of GD.

I am a lead guitarist.  I only found out recently that another guitarist and good friend who I used to jam with and trip with back then also transitioned!  I am sure that we will meet sometime soon, after 40 years.
It is tragic that back then we were close friends and yet both guarded our guilty secret so deeply that we neither knew about the other.
To those who understand, I extend my hand
To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am
Not under your command, I know where I stand
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Paige

Quote from: Steffi on October 03, 2018, 04:37:52 PM
Hi

I'm almost retirement age and nearing a decade post-op.  I've known that I had a gender problem since I was an infant.

In the decade beginning 1969/70 I took LSD, mushrooms and other mind expanding substances many times.
I am sure that the experiences taught me a lot about myself, were overall very beneficial and had no negative effects - other than confirming my disdain and despair at the general direction humanity is going in.

All research into the potential use of such substances was completely shut down for many decades by authorities outraged at a generation which valued feelings and personal contentment above the mere accumulation of excessive amounts of material possessions.
I noted with great interest the recently begun research into the use of such substances in therapies and various constructive ways.  I applaud these efforts and am sure that if not obstructed and if evaluated fairly they will ultimately give rise to some very successful treatments for a variety of illnesses and problems.

It seems likely to me however that the interests of big pharma will stamp these out as soon as positive benefits are shown to occur.  It is not in their financial interest to have you take a couple of trips and be rid of your anxiety, depression etc when they could be selling you in perpetuity a continuous supply of chemicals of marginal benefit and unknown long-term negative effects - these are after all the same people who have flooded the USA with highly addictive opioid derivatives or substitutes.  The same people who in the 1950's when serious questions arose about Thalidomide causing birth deformities led to it's ban in some European countries, they merely increased their marketing drive in the countries which hadn't banned it yet.
Do  not look to "the authorities" for unbiased, factual reporting of the efficacy of psychedelics.
- nor unbiased, factual reporting of much else either, for that matter.

But to focus on the specific point of the OP -
As an experienced user of such substances and also a transsexual, I cannot report that the drugs were of any help in specifically decreasing my gender dysphoria.
My experiences did result in me adopting a fatalistic attitude to a great many things in the world that were clearly wrong but there was zero hope of changing - it is possible that a similar effect occurred upon my GD, but I am not specifically aware of it if so.
Indeed, my first crisis with GD occurred when I was 24, not long before I ceased using psychedelics and at that time I reached a desperate enough state to Out myself to family, visit a psych and join the Beaumont Society.
After that, I settled down to trying to accept myself as and live as a part-time ->-bleeped-<-.  That was not particularly comfortable and I did eventually transition anyway, 30 years later.
- at which point my major thought was "I should have done this long ago."

I am sure that I did not have any "bad trips" specifically about GD - but that doesn't mean that others wouldn't.

Every person is different and their experiences with psychedelics would be different, but from my own personal experience, I do not think that they are likely to help in the specific regard of decreasing feelings of GD.

I am a lead guitarist.  I only found out recently that another guitarist and good friend who I used to jam with and trip with back then also transitioned!  I am sure that we will meet sometime soon, after 40 years.
It is tragic that back then we were close friends and yet both guarded our guilty secret so deeply that we neither knew about the other.

Hi Steffi,

Thank you so much for your incite.  It's exactly the input I need at this time.

It's interesting I was seriously considering psychedelics when I was younger.  I was reading Carlos Castaneda's books, experimenting with certain substances with an eye on psychedelics but I almost overdosed on amphetamines and my experimentation pretty well ended there.  I was also nervous because of what happened to Peter Green and Sid Barrett.  Now it looks like they both probably had underlying mental illness.  I'm still a little nervous about a bad trip.

At this point, something needs to give because my GD is getting considerably worse and at the same time so is my anxiety about doing something about it. 

I've heard that it helps you lose your ego.  I sometimes think ego could be one of my problems.   Basically if I lose ego, wouldn't that mean I'm less concerned about how family and society view me?  This has always been a roadblock for me.

Thanks again for your post,
Take care,
Paige :)




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Stevie

Quote from: Paige on October 04, 2018, 04:15:53 PM
Hi Steffi,

Thank you so much for your incite.  It's exactly the input I need at this time.

It's interesting I was seriously considering psychedelics when I was younger.  I was reading Carlos Castaneda's books, experimenting with certain substances with an eye on psychedelics but I almost overdosed on amphetamines and my experimentation pretty well ended there.  I was also nervous because of what happened to Peter Green and Sid Barrett.  Now it looks like they both probably had underlying mental illness.  I'm still a little nervous about a bad trip.

At this point, something needs to give because my GD is getting considerably worse and at the same time so is my anxiety about doing something about it. 

I've heard that it helps you lose your ego.  I sometimes think ego could be one of my problems.   Basically if I lose ego, wouldn't that mean I'm less concerned about how family and society view me?  This has always been a roadblock for me.

Thanks again for your post,
Take care,
Paige :)

  Peter Green that name takes me back, very sad what happened to him.
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Virginia

Quote from: Paige on October 03, 2018, 01:49:13 PMIt does seem to be a bit of a last grasp for help.

There are many other options before settling for a high risk last grasp for help. I have made amazing progress over the last 9 years through a combination of my daily yoga practice and therapy.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Lady Sarah

There was a time when I thought psychadelics would help me. I learned they didn't do a bit of good. Life still sucked, and only doing something about the problem fixed it.
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