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Athenajacob

Hello, (sorry for typos—writing in iPhone; tried to clean up based on reading rules)

My name is Athena Jacob and I am new to Susan's place and to being fully out to my wife (she has known I have a cross dressing "fetish" for 2 years, but due to a whirlwind of family issues, I have resisted confirming her persistent inquiry as to if it's an identity or "just a fetish"—it is not just a fetish.

I grew up moving all around LA with a single mother—who is likely bi-polar; I always crushed on girls, and I distinctly remember watching a mud-wrestling competition around age 5 and seeing a bum of bikini-clad beautiful women grinding and writhing all over each other; that night and for many years I re-enacted that activity and mentally fantasized about being one of the girls.

I have an astute memory of my childhood, and don't remember any early abuse, but around age 12 that all changed—a peer, more of a bully than a friend, cornered me in a little used bathroom in the eherehouse where his father had a skimobiles business. J as I will call him asked me to perform a sex act on him out of fear of reprisal given his menacing over me I agreed, he also attempted to do additional things to me as well. I became aroused by this encounter and very confused—was I gay? I hated myself after and began to fantasize about the abuse; my previously female oreintated sexual preference was severely disturbed. Later, around the same time a heavy set female babysitter aged 17 offered to make out with me while watching me; I agreed eager to prove my heterosexuality—after hours of French kissing and heavy petting she decided I was too young to make love to—she later ignored me in school, further lowering my self esteem. Another encounter I had at this same age was with a friends father—I expressed discomfort with the idea of public showers at school; he offered to "show me something", I naively went up to his office and he proceed to show me his  photos of boys with erections, smirking and gauging my reaction with each passing picture; I quietly managed to remove myself from the disruption without further incident..

Around this time my mother and step father (my mother married around the time I was 7) moved us to Ventura county  where my parents in their infinite wisdom bought a fixer with a bad slab; I though the house with the ok slab was better but what did I know? And so we lived in a 5th wheel trailer for around a year, and for a time had to use a Porto potty for a toilet when the toilet was broken; this devolved and my stepfather sought to physically abuse me, but duck it I had legs and wasn't going to let him catch me (back in A mountain town where the second abuse happened he tried to throw me out of a second story window, but I just picked him up since he was short. During my time living in the 5th wheel One of our neighboors, a cop, made a joke about trans women I had never heard of this and became intrigued by what he told me—"ya know, men that pretend to be women" and I filed the information away.

After leaving the trailer circus and living with my wealthy grandparents for a few months, my step father and mother divorced and my mom asked me to move back to a mountain town with her—I felt guilty and did not any to go, but wanted to help my half brothers; I had thought about emancipating myself and now with I did, but c est la vie.

I first began dressing around this time, about age 14, and started fantasizing that I could be trans—but it was a very small town where the one or two homosexual teeenagers were a big ducking deal, so trans? Fuggedaboutit—nonetheless I found trans erotica and began dressing more and more; realization became depression and so began to drink and engage in delinquent behavior; luckily Insmappwd out of it and ran away to Mexico (yes sounds like this is bad, but...) and after a harrowing trip through TJ and the border crossing in Tecate (in a 84 Tercel, with my half Mexican neighbor, and talkingy way across the border with an expired learners permit and a school I'd) I realized, " I better go find my grandparents house on an island and unmuck my life—and so somehow I figured it out with no map, and no GPS and showed up at their door. My grandmother welcomed me, my grandfather didn't; but with hard work in school I won him over.

I lived with my grandparents and worked my way up from JC to UNi to Law School, and then passed the CA BAR ok my first try—all the while I had low self esteem; particularly with women; and went through a few buy and purge cycles and several therapists. I always found myself ugly and would say I looked feminine—to the point where I feel wearing flip flops was unacceptably risqué—

I got a green light from one therapists, I told him I had trans issues and he said well if you don't have an active homosexual or transgender sexual life then you're ok; I took it way too much to heart and met my lovely wife online; I wrote her copious poetry and tried to push the relationship as hard as I could, breaking up with her at least 3 times—but she stayed.

When my grandfather had a stroke in'12 my fiture wife acted childish, calling me a tasteless insult because I gave her advice she didn't quite want and had to attend to a dying man in the other room; we stopped talking. I made the choice to "pull the plug" for my grandfather and oversaw his care, handing out wars of cash to a near dozen 24 hour caregivers and was there for him during his final hours until he took his last breath.

My wife and I planned our wedding and my grandmother couldn't handle letting me go; the family saw dollar signs and I was cat out and villanized—threatened with prosecution and left homeless. I moved in with my wife and we resolved to marry—after a desperate road trip and admission to her that I had an interest in transgender porn (with a proceeding proposal on San Francisco's Lombard street; yes ironic I guess?) we pushed forward.

The dressing was in full force at that point and I bought and purged for years without her knowledge. I still thought it was a habit I could kick if I was only strong enough over  time. My wife wanted a baby with me and got one (I was unemployed and depressed and hopeless; wish I came out to her fully at that time, a big regret 😟)

All was chaotic but well enough and good until my wife's Aunt ( a dental student my age) came over and discussed her new boyfriend; a transgender neural surgeon resident at Loma Linda; talked about his painting his nails and growing his hat and going out in public. The idea of this still mortified me st the time and I quietly listened and gave some wrongheaded advice that she should prepare that h e may be bisexual—I did not know her and yet I judged her.

Still, my wife had post-partum in depression and I kept my dressing to myself; I went in person to a 24 hour Walmart when my family was all asleep and for the first time bought women's clothes in person at the self checkout. A move and around 6 months later I told my wife about the cross dressing and she was shocked but supportive, with the caveat that "it's just a fetish right?" I assured her up and down yes, and tried to mean it, but it just kept getting stronger and stronger.

Around this time my wealthy grandmother came back in my life and began to demand visits and phone calls; I tried to get my wife to go to therapy to no avail; after several years my grandmother reinherited me and passed; still no sign of therapy.

Around 3 months ago we saw a therapy for the windfall issues (very stressful illiquid estate) and the psychologist (possibly) May be trans; nonetheless I never trusted him with my truest issues; only two weeks ago with the estate finally resolving I finally told my wife yes, I have a trans identity and it is likely not just a fetish—but that I stilll need to figure it out and that we need therapy; after a lot of anger, marathon talks and depression she finally agreed to go to thereapy and I have my own therapist.

But it is not going smooth, it's up and down and depressing and anxiety inducing and terrifying. We really need help—I have never met a trans person, (confirmed) other than a phone conversation and a glance near the OC LGBT center; I don't know what to do, where to live (we have a 4 year old son) so that I get good schools and tolerant neighboors. I really think Palm Springs but my wife doesn't like it and is worried I am going to mess up our son by transitioning. She doesn't want me to go but wants me to remain a man, and is unsure if she would be sexually attracted to me as a woman (given our sexual history I think she will be fine, but respect her concern).

Really need help and guidance; probably only trans person in the whole neighboorhood if we stay...
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V M

Hi Athena  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's Place  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

Here are some links to the site rules and stuff that we offer to all new members to help them along


Things that you should read



Hugs

V M
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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RabbitSpectre

Hi Athena!!!! YAY! Welcome to the LGBTQI+,and especially, the trans community!!!!  ^-^ It's super freaking awesome when someone comes out, and we welcome you!!! Despite all that's happening your life right now, let's take a moment to celebrate that first!

Thank you for posting your story and having the courage to share it. :) I was excited to be the first to welcome you, but looks like our female Clint Eastwood beat me to the draw ;) (ha! I made a funny. see what I did there? see it? ah, nevermind. ;) )

While we definitely encourage you to share your life and stories with us, do be careful of your privacy so you can remain safe as well during this process. :)

As for soldiarity, you will find PLENTY of that here. Thankfully, you landed on one of the most diverse and equal-rights minded forums on the web for us, that range from the very normal people in our community to the very unique and eccentric, like myself. lol

I'm sure I speak for everyone in ths community here when I say that we are more than happy to offer our advice and assisstance as we can, and that many of us, including myself, faced several hardships if not many when beginning our transition!

It should be a time of happiness and encouraging acceptance and exploration, but sadly, often can be difficult due to people with an IQ under equality. :P

Rest assured though, you will overcome, girl. Whatever happens with your wife, or in your community, there are always options and ways to be free as yourself, and find your path as well as walk it.

I won't go too into detail with your concerns, just because I know our official staff will want to jump on this once they're awake and welcome you as well provide a number of useful resources. :) 

As for location, I can't say what would be best for you and your situation, but I do know that moving to a new and more trans friendly area can be an extremely rewarding experience for your transition if its a realistic possibility for you, and, especially if your wife would be open to it.
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HappyMoni

Hi Athena,
   Welcome to Susan's. Glad you are here. There are many kind and caring people here who are willing to help. My name is Moni and I'm one of those USDA approved trans women who you've never met. Your story is familiar in many ways. I hope to see you around the boards.
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

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Virginia

Quote from: Athenajacob on October 07, 2018, 02:26:24 AM
I have an astute memory of my childhood, and don't remember any early abuse, but...

This "but" is extremely significant. Gender confusion, sexual fantasies about becoming a woman, the need to dress as a woman, dysphoria about their male body and genitals, extreme guilt related to masturbation and sexual confusion are all common in cigender men who experienced sexual abuse as children. One in Six men are sexually abused before the age of 18; it is a much more likely cause of these symptoms than trangenderism which only affects 0.6% of the entire population. There is an excellent discussion group on the Male Survivor website if you would like to read about other men's experiences: http://www.discussion.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm

My need to express myself as a woman is because of Dissociative Identity Disorder/Multiple Personality Disorder (DID/MPD). My mind created a 13 year old girl to cope with the abuse I experienced as child. DID is also more common than ->-bleeped-<- affecting 1% to 3% of the population (comparable to the majority of major chronic psychological disorders).

It is EXTREMELY difficult to determine the underlying cause of these symptoms. It took three years of therapy for my psychologists to correctly diagnose me with DID. I was completely unawares I had a female alter, let alone remember the horrible things that caused my mind to split into 5 different identities. The mind's ability to protect  a person from things too painful to remember is astounding. It can take YEARS of therapy to unravel the complex life a transgender person who was abused as a child.

Therapy to explore the impact of your sexual and phsycial abuse is a vital first step to understanding your feelings.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Northern Star Girl

@Athenajacob
Dear AthenaJacob: 
Thank you for writing your very interesting and detail introduction posting.
 
I want to also thank you for recently joining Susan's Place earlier today.  Also, please know that you are always welcome here.  Many of our members will now be aware of your arrival to the Forums and will be able to share with you and you with them regarding your questions and comments.

I see that you have already been Officially Welcomed to Susan's Place
by our lovely member  @V M .   
Please also allow me to also give your a warm Welcome to Susan's Place.

I am thinking that you may have lots more questions and concerns, this is the right place for you to be to find out what others have done that may have been in your circumstances.
Be aware that there are a lot of members here that can identify with your concerns and questions.
 
You will find this a safe and friendly place to share with others  and to read about others similar trials, tribulations, and successes.  When frustrated or if you have successes you can share it here on the Forums if you wish and receive support from others and offer support to others. ....

***It's a very good chance that you might find that you will make some new friends here. 
Please come in and continue to be involved at your own pace. 

In her Welcome Message  V M  included Important LINKS that will tell you about Susan's Place.  Included there is information about the site that will help you navigate around and best utilize the features here.   
Please look closely at the LINKS in RED, answers are there to many questions that new members ask.   

Please don't be a stranger, we want to share postings and thoughts with you.

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Alice (nym)

Welcome Athena,

That was a harrowing story. You will find supportive people here who will not judge you. Sometimes it is just a relief to be able to say what you want and have people believe you. To have a safe space where you can be yourself.

I hope you find it helpful.
Don't hate the hate... Start spreading the love.
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Athenajacob

It hit me the resource I really need is support resources of spouses of transgender spouses—I am in Southern California—any recommendations?
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Alice V

Hey Athene!

Just wow. It seems you endured quite hard life and I'm glad that you're still on run and looking for help. And gender therapist is probably your best call if you didn't found one yet.
I know one girl from California, will tell her about you and she'll probably will take a look.

Anyway, welcome to Susans, hope you'll find it very supportive.


QuoteI was excited to be the first to welcome you, but looks like our female Clint Eastwood beat me to the draw
@RabbitSpectre haha guess she's fastest greeter in the West :D
"Don't try and blame me for your sins,
For the sun has burn me black.
Your hollow lives, this world in which we live -
I hurl it back."©Bruce Dickinson

My place
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RabbitSpectre

Quote from: Alice V on October 08, 2018, 03:50:27 AM
Hey Athene!

Just wow. It seems you endured quite hard life and I'm glad that you're still on run and looking for help. And gender therapist is probably your best call if you didn't found one yet.
I know one girl from California, will tell her about you and she'll probably will take a look.

Anyway, welcome to Susans, hope you'll find it very supportive.

@RabbitSpectre haha guess she's fastest greeter in the West :D

Hahaha.
We're going to have an epic quick-draw showdown Tombstone style if our other official greeters see that. :P lol
I'm just waiting for the next new member now. lol

I hope you're feeling pretty welcomed, Athena! :)
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Athenajacob

Thank you so much RabbitSpectre, ALIce, NYM and all! It is exciting and worth celebrating! I just wish it happened earlier and that I understood what Susansplace was—I tried to get help many times, but few understand my "ness"; that is the essence of my being and that while it is different it is the same; I spent a lot of last night talking to my wife and discovered that she too had a early childhood sexual experience that makes her uneasy (with a female) and that she is mortified of being bisexual, and that even though I do very much excite her en femme, that this also scares and disgusts her because she has a deeply, deeply rooted anxiety about being judged for being LGBTQ so really it's both my wife and I who are in the community; I can am trying to just take it slow so she can face her feelings too—I went over all the things I have done to love her; I was disinherited for her, I "let" her "trick" me into a baby after we married—I'm reality when I decided to love her, I decided if I had children with her, ready or not, they she was the one (O have a deep rooted fear of pregnancy because my mother and father were essentially a tamer version of pretty woman but without a happy ending (she was Denny's waitress and he was a Rob Lowe-looking son of a well-to-do Orthodontist).

She is very very resistant to getting independent therapy, but is finally starting to warm up to it; terrified of judgement and has major cognitive dissonance about me transitioning since her definition of bisexual means sexual attraction to both sexes (assuming mostly cisgender) and actual sex acts with both sexes—if I become a woman then she falls into her definition of bisexual and this is simply unacceptable to her.

I explained to her all the femme things I do all the time and that she really is a bit of a house husband (I work and often handle more traditionally feminine tasks in the home like cooking(cleaning via proxy via a maid) and she is very anxious about appearing non femme because she does not know how to do certain traditionally femme tasks (I of course do not mind, I married her for love, she is just beginning to understand I have never really been a husband more of a husband/wife father/mother—She has never had to work no matter what and never will if she does not want to, even if we are apart; she really has my true love, but is very hung up on losing her "husband"; I love her so much I would be willing to cope until the kids are 18 and come out at that time—I know she needs this sincere offer to investigate her own bisexual feelings and realize they are far, far from "disgusting" and they she is as normal as the rest of humanity).

A little off track, but so many trans-negative experience kept me in the closet and in fear; im laws school a gay professor would regularly clock a transwoman I had a deep friendship (even a desired love connection with, but wow she was dangerous, smoker, spender, always letting things go to the last second)—he would call her "mr" blank despite her very feminine appearance; her name was also a Afghan mans name, but it still never clicked; she beat me over the head with it (we hung out constantly and even held hands a few times, I really wish I knew how to find her to tell her she's beautiful—I'm very taken, but I wish I had known her true self was like me and why we were such fast friends) she's say things like "some guy asked me if I was a (transgender slur) and I was like eff u, her hee her" and "it's so horrible in Iran, they take homosexuals and force them to be women, what do you think about that, isn't it horrible!"—I of course tried to hit in her like a woman would, thus confusing us both and we never became true friends.

My courtship with my wife was similar, I simply talked to her instead of the more aggressive approach many cismen take, and wrote her poetry; she melted; I held her all night even when my arm fell asleep beyond the point of circulation loss I knew possible and I became very much invested in her future early in the relationship; my family couldn't understand why I didn't want a rich girl (her mother was shacking up with a frankly creepy guy who was raised in a religion many find to be a likely cult (he made very innappropriate sexual comments to me in front of my wife and mother in law as a show of power); but I knew she was like me.

Now as I feel our marriage bending and stressing to the point of a near snap, I am discovering she is much more like me than I thought—she wants to be like what we described as a "top female executive" a confident, powerful and beautiful feminine woman who commands respect.

So I say, go to school and become a PsyD or whatever other professional you want (I have the funds to put her through any schooling she wants) and she says; but what if I don't love you after I get my degree and you become a woman? And I say, then you'd be in good company with a lot of other guys who use their wives to get through school—which made us both laugh with realization that this is true. I don't think she'd Leave, but she does have masculine features which I like (but she is petite and this bothers her since she takes after her father mentally, he is a shorter luxury car salesman who is the epitome of such a thing—and a womanizer (she strongly fears my infidelity, but other than sexual abuse, she was my first and only sexual partner and despite any fantasies to the contrary I want to keep it that way unless we both someday become comfortable swinging (I doubt it; probably just an eternal fantasy, my personal Danielle Steele novel I guess)

She also drops some FTM hints that I am 🤔 if are intended to test me to see if I would be open to it, or if it's just talk; she says "I never could be a man", and you should just leave me and be with a transperson, like a FTM" I am trying to make her feel safe when I respond instead of dismissive; I don't hope she is FTM, but she might be and I need to give her respect and safety so she can figure that out instead of being judge mental.

I guess I just really do have feminine hardware with a male overlay, and that despit my wife's protest, this is likely largely why she fell in love with me on the first place; that and the fact that she loves that I am Caucasian (she is Mexican American, and one of her lighter skinned grandmothers alway used to make fun of her skin color calling her a "dark witch" which caused her great stress and inferiority feelings).

And so if I go from a green eyed, white cismale appearing, professional heir to a white professional transwoman—even though I have other status symbols she associates with being Caucasian, this process also brings up her anxiety about society deeming her a "dark witch".

I hope we are getting somewhere, I don't want her to leave or for me to have to leave, but I have to make sure we don't fight in front of our son (she instigated mess a power play often im this way I'm the car; so so told her next time it happens I am going to pull over and get out and take an Uber home; it's just not acceptable parenting...I  not an angel either, I have temper issues especially around money which I have had to work on over the years, but I am pretty sure being en femme (at least in stealth) and therapy will help this.

I guess we have a more modern love story than either of us realized, so just how it has a happy ending!
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Alice V

Hey what a wonderful couple :D
Nice to see that you overcoming all difficulties. I don't really interested in studying Caucasians but we have a lot of them around and they give impression of very strict society.
I believe in both of you ;) go through all this ->-bleeped-<- together, support each other and you'll be fine ;)

"Don't try and blame me for your sins,
For the sun has burn me black.
Your hollow lives, this world in which we live -
I hurl it back."©Bruce Dickinson

My place
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Athenajacob

@alice V

Thank you for your kind words! We, unfortunately, both have a lot of issues to work through, I still need to take a harder look at what @Virginia indicated as well. That is essentially my wife's hope, that this was all triggered by prior sexual abuse. It does seem to be getting better tomorrow, we have therapy tomorrow and I am going to try and let my wife do all the talking this time.

But regardless, today was actually a pleasant day without crying or depression for either of us, so hopefully that's a good start of things to continue! ;D
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