Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on October 22, 2018, 01:36:56 AM
That sounds like ignorance to me. You don't get to be a minority and not care about you and your kind. You don't get to risk our lives because they have not come for you. I refuse to be victimized by one of my own kind's ignorance.


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Quote from: Susan on October 21, 2018, 03:15:17 PM
We have been politically neutral on this site, that changes now. You are free to openly condemn political parties and politicians and their policies that have a history of targeting the transgender and LGBTQIA community for hate, bigotry, discrimination. Doing so is hereby exempted from TOS 10 until further notice.

If you wish to express your support for those policies, parties and politicians take it to another web site. It is not welcome here. (TOS 9)

If this makes anyone feel unwelcome I am sorry but the Republican Party has declared open war on the transgender community, and this is the start of our response.

Members of this site are still fully prohibited from attacking other members no matter their political affiliations.

I'm playing by the rules, won't you? 

Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:40:19 AM
I'm playing by the rules, won't you? 

I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your politics. Transitioning has opened my eyes and I refuse to not acknowledge who I am because I don't have to deal with something when it will affect others like me which in turn will affect me. I don't have the time for politics that will strip that away from me because "it's good for the economy." I am human, I have rights, and I refuse to be victimized because a party doesn't acknowledge me as a such.

Ignorance of such is why things are happening and the "war" isn't just about us. Look around, I mean REALLY look around.


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Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on October 22, 2018, 01:50:07 AM
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your politics. Transitioning has opened my eyes and I refuse to not acknowledge who I am because I don't have to deal with something when it will affect others like me which in turn will affect me. I don't have the time for politics that will strip that away from me because "it's good for the economy." I am human, I have rights, and I refuse to be victimized because a party doesn't acknowledge me as a such.

Ignorance of such is why things are happening and the "war" isn't just about us. Look around, I mean REALLY look around.

I have. I see the world on my side. I am looking at the big picture, I'm not restricting my view to this one moment.

As I presume most people will know by now that I am an Australian and hence neutral in my opinion as Forum Administrator as far as USA politics. Or at least I do not discuss my opinion here.

Yes I do not want my friends, colleagues and people that I admire and love victimised or denigrated by any government sanction or circumstance but I do stand for free speech as far as the Terms of Service of this Forum will allow.

People are able to present their discussion as long as it is civil, does not denigrate, contain foul language or insult other members.

I am very aware that emotions are running hot and that is never a good platform for discussion so I will give some latitude but please do not take advantage of that to insult or fight each other. I think our USA members have enough to worry about than to fight amongst each other.

I will give people a 24-48 hour time out if they get over-heated.

So please maintain civility and discuss without personal attack.

Cindy

Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:56:50 AM


I have. I see the world on my side. I am looking at the big picture, I'm not restricting my view to this one moment.

So the bigger picture is the damnation of people like you and me, of cis women's medical treatment, of family being kept apart, of the damaging of this climate, of relationship with corrupted officials, inspiring hate filled groups, leaving natural disaster residents without aid, etc, etc, etc and all for what the economy? I am sorry no. My rights and the rights of those people don't surpass that. This route is not the only one the government could take, but it is the most damaging and I will not be a footnote. I will not be ignorant of where we are in history right now.


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I have always valued this site for the position it took in taking the higher ground, even in regard of those that might not always deserve it. I do hope this change does not bring it down to the level of many others, I have no desire to partake in mud-slinging contests.

The reality is that despite the ebbs and flows of politics and social agendas, the theme of society over the last 1000 years has been one of an inexorable move towards liberalism and personal freedom; as levels of personal education,  knowledge and awareness have eroded the power of the elite.

I personally work to raise understanding and build relationships among the cisgender community (aka society) rather than form any self-enforced ghetto.

I will look forward to a time when hopefully this site policy change may be reversed.

Megan.

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The trend towards progress has not been consistent over the course of history. The Romans were a step backwards from the Greeks; the monarchs, nobility, and theocratic tendencies of the medieval periods were a step back from the Romans. The world in 1938 was panicked and unenlightened, far from the progress that had been made by 1928.

Sometimes, a move backwards may only be a little bump in the road, a temporary slide into more primitive modes of thinking, but those "little bumps" can be dangerous for people like us. A temporary shift in site policies to reflect that danger is appropriate.

Megan, in general, I agree with your view as stated, with the exception of the claim that knowledge and awareness will continue to erode the power of those who seek to harm us. It depends somewhat on where we live, and on the social class we're born into, but as a society the US is less educated than most other developed nations. Misinformation is common in this era. We live in a society where many see science, educators, and newspapers as political and fraudulent, while accepting unsupported claims by politicians, celebrities, and internet personalities. In these times, even knowledge itself has come under attack.

The only way to reverse that new trend is for people like us to stand against it. If society continues to improve after this, it will be because we did our part to change it. Change does not happen on its own, it is not our immutable destiny. Change only happens when people make it happen, and right now, we are those people.

Quote from: Susan on October 21, 2018, 03:15:17 PM
We have been politically neutral on this site, that changes now. You are free to openly condemn political parties and politicians and their policies that have a history of targeting the transgender and LGBTQIA community for hate, bigotry, discrimination. Doing so is hereby exempted from TOS 10 until further notice.

If you wish to express your support for those policies, parties and politicians take it to another web site. It is not welcome here. (TOS 9)

If this makes anyone feel unwelcome I am sorry but the Republican Party has declared open war on the transgender community, and this is the start of our response.

Members of this site are still fully prohibited from attacking other members no matter their political affiliations.

QuoteI'm republican and will continue to be. I vote for the party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. Let's not forget it was republicans who freed the slaves from democratic party beliefs.

As I mentioned in another thread, it's not about Republican vs Democrat.  It's about a disgraceful administration and those that support it.  The Republican party used to be respectable, but it has been hijacked over the past several years, by those who disregard the rights of others.

I have a real problem with those who stand by their party, even when that party is clearly the cause of so many problems, as it is now.

I get that you may not agree with or wish to support the other party but what I dont understand is how someone can support a political party that is attempting to deny your right to exist just to appease a faction of it base. 



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As someone who tries to think critically, I see this new policy as enabling the most vocal on the left to have free license to attack their opponents and those attacked will be punished if they defend themselves because they have effectively been told they are allowed no voice.

Quote from: amandam on October 22, 2018, 09:55:32 AM
As someone who tries to think critically, I see this new policy as enabling the most vocal on the left to have free license to attack their opponents and those attacked will be punished if they defend themselves because they have effectively been told they are allowed no voice.

If that is how you feel you don't understand. My suggestion is if you feel that way simply stay away from political discussions for the time being. You aren't allowed a voice on this web site on political issues if you support the right side of the political spectrum at this time. When they stop attacking the trans and LGBTQIA community that will change. Until then go argue your points on the sites dedicated to those points of view, but make sure you tell them you are trans see how you get treated there.

Someone attacking the actions of political parties or politicians is  not the same as them attacking you though through the cognitive dissonance some of you are operating on it may feel the same, but it's not.

Any politically partisan posts in any of my threads will result in me deleting the ENTIRE thread, I WILL NOT tolerate biggotry in my own threads the like of which I'm already witnessing on this site elsewhere.

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Thank you, Susan, for allowing us to mention political hatred.

As much as I despise the Democrats, I don't think there's any other choice but to implement this policy here. The Republicans are blatantly anti-trans and no one who claims to be for trans-rights should vote for them. We already have numerous other rules against supporting anti-trans ideaology, and they exist for a reason.

Just please remember that the Democrats are still awful and need to be reformed, and they don't actually care about us; they've only started supporting us in the last couple years when they can use support for trans-rights in order to gain favor. If we don't clean our own house, we're doomed.

I would love to see America become a country with at least 4 parties that stand a chance governing the country. I am sick and tired of conservatives telling me to shut up because my opinion means nothing. I am also sick and tired of liberals telling me I should never be allowed to defend myself if assaulted. Yet, neither side recognizes the existence of the middle of the road people, whom make up the majority. It's not that I hate either side. I hate the extremists, and Trump is giving me more than enough reason to hate him.

At least, for now, the conservatives on this site won't be having my political opinion removed, based on the fact that they don't like anyone saying anything against their political ideologies.

Pity it cames to this, but understandable.

For those who disagree I can say that: there wasn't equal rights for everyone from the beginning. That site protect us from racial and national hatred, from gender, age and etc discrimination, and now it just protecting it members from hurting their feelings by supporting those who wan't cut them from existance. Deal with it.

Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:30:37 AM
That sounds a lot like the victim card. They came for Rosa Parks...and racial equality became law.

As long as we can keep it... Laws can be changed... Which party do you think the people behind question 3 belong to?

How any T* can support the party of Trump is beyond me... Gone are the days of principled republican leaders....

- karen

I have been very liberal all my life.  In fact I used to be a political activist and ran for office (and won).  I thought that I was able to retire from my active political life, until now.

We have to doe everything that the blue wave floats the scum out of office this fall!
since this yellow ape is in office, all achievements of years are gone.  Now that the supreme court is stacked with his puppets, we can only help to get them out by getting out the vote.  I volunteered to drive voters to the polls to make sure anybody who wants to, can vote!

Please think about what you can do.  They always need election supervisors to make sure the the repucs do not pull a fast one!

Go volunteer and see what you can do.  They can use all hands and feet to make sure the blue wave comes!

Quote from: Michelle_P on October 21, 2018, 10:46:12 PM
One side seeks our removal from public life as a minimum, pushing towards involuntary commitment and "repartative therapy".  The other side of the debate seeks to let us live.

My life is NOT up for debate.  My EXISTENCE is not up for debate.

Consider the Jewish population at this date exactly 80 years ago.  They had been informed that their papers would no longer be valid several days ago.  Krystallnacht was a few weeks in their future.  Exactly who in the synagogue was debating for the government position?

The side of the debate opposed to our freedoms explicitly states that transgender is not real, that this is a mental illness, and greets any argument we might make that we are real with an infinite chain of 'prove it' demands.  A debate of this form is fundamentally unwinnable, and we are refusing to engage in that.

You are so very right!  My mother was one of the Jews who was in a a camp but my dads father could buy her out because she was married to an "Aryan".  I would not be here if my grandfather would not have had the money to do that "purchase"  how many mothers died because the money was not available?

One always has to remember the poem of Pastor Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.