I'm NOT going down without a fight!!!  I haven't read anyone else's responses to th  original post, but on November 6th, my partner and I are going out to VOTE!!!

If you live in the US, VOTE! 
VOTE for the right to exist! 
VOTE to make sure good people get into office! 
VOTE for those that are too young to do so! 
VOTE for those that are sick and can't get to the polls, and hope they mailed in their absentee ballots!
VOTE for those that are still questioning their gender!
VOTE for those that finally decided to go out in public as their true selves for the first time!
VOTE for those quietly living their authentic lives!
VOTE for those willing to show the world their authentic selves!
VOTE for those brave souls who have come before and fought for what we currently have!
VOTE for those that will come behind us and continue the fight!
VOTE for the future of us all as living, breathing human beings that exist!
VOTE to show that we #wontbeerased !!!

Ryuichi



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Quote from: Ryuichi13 on October 22, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
I'm NOT going down without a fight!!!  I haven't read anyone else's responses to th  original post, but on November 6th, my partner and I are going out to VOTE!!!

If you live in the US, VOTE! 
VOTE for the right to exist! 
VOTE to make sure good people get into office! 
VOTE for those that are too young to do so! 
VOTE for those that are sick and can't get to the polls, and hope they mailed in their absentee ballots!
VOTE for those that are still questioning their gender!
VOTE for those that finally decided to go out in public as their true selves for the first time!
VOTE for those quietly living their authentic lives!
VOTE for those willing to show the world their authentic selves!
VOTE for those brave souls who have come before and fought for what we currently have!
VOTE for those that will come behind us and continue the fight!
VOTE for the future of us all as living, breathing human beings that exist!
VOTE to show that we #wontbeerased !!!

Ryuichi



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Yes!!! #wontbeerased

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on October 22, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
I'm NOT going down without a fight!!!  I haven't read anyone else's responses to th  original post, but on November 6th, my partner and I are going out to VOTE!!!

If you live in the US, VOTE! 
VOTE for the right to exist! 
VOTE to make sure good people get into office! 
VOTE for those that are too young to do so! 
VOTE for those that are sick and can't get to the polls, and hope they mailed in their absentee ballots!
VOTE for those that are still questioning their gender!
VOTE for those that finally decided to go out in public as their true selves for the first time!
VOTE for those quietly living their authentic lives!
VOTE for those willing to show the world their authentic selves!
VOTE for those brave souls who have come before and fought for what we currently have!
VOTE for those that will come behind us and continue the fight!
VOTE for the future of us all as living, breathing human beings that exist!
VOTE to show that we #wontbeerased !!!

Ryuichi



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eloquent . . .

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on October 22, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
I'm NOT going down without a fight!!!  I haven't read anyone else's responses to th  original post, but on November 6th, my partner and I are going out to VOTE!!!

If you live in the US, VOTE! 
VOTE for the right to exist! 
VOTE to make sure good people get into office! 
VOTE for those that are too young to do so! 
VOTE for those that are sick and can't get to the polls, and hope they mailed in their absentee ballots!
VOTE for those that are still questioning their gender!
VOTE for those that finally decided to go out in public as their true selves for the first time!
VOTE for those quietly living their authentic lives!
VOTE for those willing to show the world their authentic selves!
VOTE for those brave souls who have come before and fought for what we currently have!
VOTE for those that will come behind us and continue the fight!
VOTE for the future of us all as living, breathing human beings that exist!
VOTE to show that we #wontbeerased !!!

Ryuichi



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I have a vote already in the mail which hopefully will help flip a house seat blue.  I can only hope we succeed!
#wontbeerased

As a 42yo outsider, I've followed the political landscape in the USA from the outside looking in for the last 20 years.

I really feel like many of these polarizing events could be negated if there were more than just 2 political establishments. I realize there are more and many lobby groups etc but it just doesn't seem to function in a healthy way.

When your only real options are either black or white it really doesn't allow for a spectrum does it?

These days it seems the USA is IMO one of the least 'free' countries in the western world. 

I hope this new incentive to win votes doesn't keep going in the same direction, at the very least many people who are against Transgender people will be emboldened by this new energy, be vigilant.

Take care everyone,

Sonja.

The problem is that since we have a simple "first past the post" voting system, third parties can't gain a foothold because voting for third party means voting against your best interest since they can't win.

Hey, people.
Looks things becoming grim for you in US. Wish you best. We can't bring our emperor down without bloodbath, for you, I hope, there's some chances.

Quote from: Lucca on October 22, 2018, 04:34:04 PM
The problem is that since we have a simple "first past the post" voting system, third parties can't gain a foothold because voting for third party means voting against your best interest since they can't win.

This is the problem we have in the US: only the Democrats and the Republicans stand a chance in winning. I don't care much for the Republicans and I cannot bring myself to vote Democrat.  Unfortunately, those are the only two parties we have to choose from.  Sure, I could vote for a third party, but that party has no chance in winning whatsoever.  So as it stands now, whether we have a Democrat or a Republican in power, we're screwed.

Quote from: Danielle Kristina on October 22, 2018, 07:11:43 PM
This is the problem we have in the US: only the Democrats and the Republicans stand a chance in winning. I don't care much for the Republicans and I cannot bring myself to vote Democrat.  Unfortunately, those are the only two parties we have to choose from.  Sure, I could vote for a third party, but that party has no chance in winning whatsoever.  So as it stands now, whether we have a Democrat or a Republican in power, we're screwed.

Define screwed!
We know that we re very screwed and more if the republicans win,  We, as a group of humans, who do not fit into a gender corset, have never been screwed by democrats.  Are they ideal?  Of course not, this stupid system with the winner takes all allows only crooks or semi crooks to reach the top.  So far for anybody not fitting the norm of the society, the democrats have been the lesser evil, partially, because they are not under control of religious zealots.  If I consider Pence when he says that he is a practicing Calvinists , I know everything I need to know never to vote for a party where people like he can get to the top (I recommend that everybody who is not aware about Calvinism, read up on it)

Yes, the democrats are not the holy grale either, but with them at the helm, we have a slight chance that the stupid electoral college system goes by the wayside, and a popular voting system will be established!

Think it over and than think about screwed again!

The US political system is chaotic to say the least. The separation of church and state has failed, science is not taken as fact, and money controls everything.

Quote from: DustKitten on October 22, 2018, 09:36:13 AM
I grew up in Europe; my political attitudes are fairly typical for the region. That doesn't mean I can't try to compromise and discuss social issues in a civil manner when necessary.

I am a dual citizen of the US and the European Union.  If this gets really sour here, I will pack my bags and leave.  I would be hard for me, because I live way over 45 years in the US, but I wan to live and not become a haunted criminal, just because I do not fit the gender and/or sexual standard somebody decided to be the law!

Quote from: Dietlind on October 22, 2018, 07:28:25 PM
Define screwed!
We know that we re very screwed and more if the republicans win,  We, as a group of humans, who do not fit into a gender corset, have never been screwed by democrats.  Are they ideal?  Of course not, this stupid system with the winner takes all allows only crooks or semi crooks to reach the top.  So far for anybody not fitting the norm of the society, the democrats have been the lesser evil, partially, because they are not under control of religious zealots.  If I consider Pence when he says that he is a practicing Calvinists , I know everything I need to know never to vote for a party where people like he can get to the top (I recommend that everybody who is not aware about Calvinism, read up on it)

Yes, the democrats are not the holy grale either, but with them at the helm, we have a slight chance that the stupid electoral college system goes by the wayside, and a popular voting system will be established!

Think it over and than think about screwed again!

"Screwed" is the subjection of the American public to the oppression of political powers.  The Republicans are no saints, but neither are the Democrats!  Ok, the Dems are LGBT-friendly while the Reps are not.  But aren't there other issues on the table?  The Dems push for outlawing firearms.  In a nation either the highest prison population in the world, do we really need to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens too?  In a country where drugs are so illegal that by getting high lands a person in prison yet drugs are everywhere, am I to believe that by making guns illegal that they will go away?  Of course not!  So why should I believe that the Dems are the better choice?

Sure, I care a lot a lot LGBT rights.  I don't like anti-LGBT legislature, and I'm all for fighting the good fight.  I'm just saying that neither party gives a crap about us.  What they do care about is their own political and personal agendas.

Quote from: Danielle Kristina on October 22, 2018, 07:43:02 PM
  The Dems push for outlawing firearms.  In a nation either the highest prison population in the world, do we really need to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens too? 

I beg to differ,  I am a live long democratic activist (and a little bit of a tree huger, but that is part of my profession in the medical field), and I am a big time gun owner!  I have a few long barrel guns, and a few hand guns.  I have yet to see any serious danger for loosing those guns!  You should not listen to the NRA propaganda!  I knew the last owner of Remington personally, and he told me that they the gun manufacturers, keep the NRA going because it is a dream marketing tool!
No democrat in his right mind wants to get our guns.  There is way to many democrats who love their guns as much as you and I love ours!

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Sure, I care a lot a lot LGBT rights.  I don't like anti-LGBT legislature, and I'm all for fighting the good fight.  I'm just saying that neither party gives a crap about us.  What they do care about is their own political and personal agendas.

As you say, neither party is a dream, but I definitely prefer the lesser evil over the larger.  I am a Berny Sanders guy, and I disliked Clinton as much as anybody, but I liked her way better than I liked Trump.  And I was right with my decission!
And I don't want us to face an even greater danger, now that he thinks we coronated him to king Donald, and he can treat us like the last piece of sh*****

Quote from: Dietlind on October 22, 2018, 08:15:42 PM
I beg to differ,  I am a live long democratic activist (and a little bit of a tree huger, but that is part of my profession in the medical field), and I am a big time gun owner!  I have a few long barrel guns, and a few hand guns.  I have yet to see any serious danger for loosing those guns!  You should not listen to the NRA propaganda!  I knew the last owner of Remington personally, and he told me that they the gun manufacturers, keep the NRA going because it is a dream marketing tool!
No democrat in his right mind wants to get our guns.  There is way to many democrats who love their guns as much as you and I love ours!
As you say, neither party is a dream, but I definitely prefer the lesser evil over the larger.  I am a Berny Sanders guy, and I disliked Clinton as much as anybody, but I liked her way better than I liked Trump.  And I was right with my decission!
And I don't want us to face an even greater danger, now that he thinks we coronated him to king Donald, and he can treat us like the last piece of sh*****

Every time a politician targets guns it is a Democrat.  And I am by no means a gun nut, but in a nation with armed criminals everywhere, why should I feel safe by disarming myself?  Am
I supposed to believe that criminals will obey the ban on guns?  Of course not.

Of course, guns are not the only issue.  Democrats push for socialism.  Socialism does not work.  The only people who benefit from communist/socialist systems are those in power - the rest suffer.  What about illegal immigration?  There are legal ways of entering and staying in the U.S.  Besides, I know people around the globe are suffering, but we cannot take care of the entire world.  We need to focus on Americans first!

As I said, I don't like either party.  Politically speaking, I'm too liberal to be a Republican and I'm too conservative to be a Democrat.  Which is why my first post on the thread was pro-third party and not so much pro or anti Rep or Dem, because frankly I don't like either party.

Quote from: Danielle Kristina on October 22, 2018, 07:11:43 PM
This is the problem we have in the US: only the Democrats and the Republicans stand a chance in winning. I don't care much for the Republicans and I cannot bring myself to vote Democrat.  Unfortunately, those are the only two parties we have to choose from.  Sure, I could vote for a third party, but that party has no chance in winning whatsoever.  So as it stands now, whether we have a Democrat or a Republican in power, we're screwed.

So... we may have difficulties if either party wins, but we need to look @ the lesser of 2 evils. If Dems get elected we may be screwed, but we may enjoy the screwing a little at least. If Red continues to reign screwing would not be the right word, rather <not allowed>. Its the difference between a bruised knee and an amputaed one.

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Quote from: gracefulhat on October 22, 2018, 08:42:59 PM
So... we may have difficulties if either party wins, but we need to look @ the lesser of 2 evils. If Dems get elected we may be screwed, but we may enjoy the screwing a little at least. If Red continues to reign screwing would not be the right word, rather <not allowed>. Its the difference between a bruised knee and an amputaed one.

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I never enjoy being screwed over by anyone.  From my perspective we have the lesser of two evils.  I don't love everything about the Trump administration or the Republicans, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for the alternative.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemoller

I do want to give some hope to people who hate the fact that there are only two choices on the ballot in the United States (I am one of those people). There is a small but growing movement to get states to adopt Ranked Choice Voting (or RCV for short), which would effectively eliminate the "wasted vote" aspect of voting for an independent or a member of a minor political party.

Many cities have adopted RCV, and Maine is the first state to use RCV for the first time this election cycle for certain races. There is strong donor interest in promoting this idea in other states.

I think many more states are going to adopt RCV over the next decade, especially in states where RCV can be put on a ballot initiative. It will take a lot of voter education and overcoming stalling tactics by both incumbent major parties, and diehards in both parties are going to hate it. But for the majority of people who want more real choice in the ballot box, RCV will be welcome.

For more information, see http://www.fairvote.org, which is emerging as the lead organization promoting this idea. (Disclosure: I am a supporter of FairVote.)

Like it or not, my country, the US of A is a country of laws. There are lawful means to effect change. Ever since the current lawfully elected president of the US , (POTUS)won the election to the total consternation of the ruling class,  "resistance" BY ANY MEANS  has been the norm. This chaos is a recipe for disaster.
What most here are railing about is the reversal of an executive order by the previous president. Had he done it right by the will of the people, there would be not problem. Instead he planted these seeds of disorder by going around the will of the people causing a predictable backlash which is what you are experiencing now.
Sadly, what was once a scientific,  objective conversation has been hi-jacked by political activists who are motivated by identity politics.
What many of you are not seeing is that your cause is NOT being exploited not by the Right who could not possibly care less,  but by the Left who has little else to use against a winning policy of economic growth and National Security.
Sure hope l don't get blasted into oblivion for just stating the obvious. 😲😲😲😲😲😲😞😞😞😞😥

QuoteSocialism does not work.  The only people who benefit from communist/socialist systems are those in power - the rest suffer.

Socialism and communism are two entirely different things.  There are also variations in socialism.  Is it wrong to help those who need help?  Or would you prefer to have Trump cutting millions off health care so he can give tax cuts to the wealth?  When do we end all this "socialism" for the wealthy and corporations?