Quote from: Lady Sarah on October 24, 2018, 09:30:48 PM
Trump has described himself as a Nationalist. Add the word White, and you got yourself one hateful SOB. Not only is he coming after us and immigrants, but he will go after any portion of the population that does fit his agenda.

And its not just illegal immigrants... when he wanted to stop refugees from coming in awhile back that showed he has no heart... just political calculation...

My mother came here as WWII displaced person-a refugee... (she was in German forced labor camp... and she was pretty young woman at the time... she never ever talked to anyone about her time there - not even my father...)

He is fanning xenophobia and racial hatred to gin up his base... Evil extremely dangerous man- in some way reminiscent of Joe McCarthy - he definitely has no sense of decency...

And this time the whole republican party has sold it's soul to him to try to remain in power...

I fear for future of this country greatly, and would even if I was not TS ... I am shocked and amazed that so much of the US population is OK with all of this...

- Karen

I am going to go back to the original topic for a moment.

Quote from: gingerViktorKay on October 21, 2018, 12:53:03 PM
"The sex listed on a person's birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person's sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence."

Anyone who has genetic markers for an intersex condition is not included in his ban? Apparently, if someone does not have genetic markers according to this administration that person is a cross dresser.

Right, wrong, or indifferent it is the way it sounds to me. And this sounds complicated. I would like more information regarding their position regarding intersex individuals rights under the proposed plan. From what I understand I am not the only person on this site with an confirmed intersex condition.

I wonder if this is worded this way to create divisions between the transgendered community?

Do not misinterpret my interest for intersex person exclusion in this ban. I support everyone who feels they need to transition to do so.

Quote from: Karen_A on October 24, 2018, 09:55:07 PM


My mother came here as WWII displaced person-a refugee... (she was in German forced labor camp... and she was pretty young woman at the time... she never ever talked to anyone about her time there - not even my father...)

- Karen

We seems to have a similar history.  My mother was also interned in one of the "Arbeit macht frei" camps.  She never talked about it either.  I did not even know until she had died, and my father told me about it!
It must have been a horrible experience for these young women, and that is the reason that I get angry  when I see what is going on here in this country.  I do not want anybody in the world to experience what our mothers had to endure!

And they were the lucky ones, they came out alive!

Quote from: Dietlind on October 24, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
We seems to have a similar history.  My mother was also interned in one of the "Arbeit macht frei" camps.  She never talked about it either.  I did not even know until she had died, and my father told me about it!
It must have been a horrible experience for these young women, and that is the reason that I get angry  when I see what is going on here in this country.  I do not want anybody in the world to experience what our mothers had to endure!

And they were the lucky ones, they came out alive!

It helped she was not Jewish!

What many people don't realize is that while the germans specifically targeted the Jews for extinction, there were a lot of non Aryans  in the the forced labor camps (germans consider teh slavic people non Aryan) ... including my mother and her brother, my uncle...

In any case as it touched my immediate family,  all of that history could not help but influence my politics...

History has show that nationalism and racism are VERY dangerous forces ... particularly when combined.

- karen

This has gone way beyond the intent has become vitriolic.

There is a common cause and that is transgender rights. I am locking this thread and will only allow discussion relevant to transgender rights in other threads.