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Started by Jay, April 02, 2008, 03:23:39 AM

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Jay

Following on from the topic about Progress and phallo. From Chris's link for The Reed Centers Surgery. I was reading the top surgery consent form and came across this..

QuoteI have abstained from smoking for 2 weeks prior to this procedure and will abstain for 2
months following this procedure.

Why the hell would smoking have anything to do with having surgery? I dont understand?

My doctor said the same thing about taking T that I will have to stop smoking as well...

Yes I smoke its my choice to smoke....... Yes I know its bad.... but there are FAR worse things in life...


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Jamie-o

Regarding surgery, smoking damages the cells that create healing tissue.  The cells are then unable to migrate to the wound, so they wind up collecting along the edges, slowing recovery and increasing scarring.

There have also been some studies that link smoking to a lowering of androgen levels (testosterone and other hormones), although the studies have been inconclusive.  Still, if it turns out there is a link, smoking while taking T could be counterproductive.

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Dennis

The other thing with smoking before surgery is that gungy lungs make anaesthetics more of a risk. I always quit before surgery. I should stay quit afterwards to not hamper healing. It decreases the circulation of blood to the parts that are healing too, so healing is slower.

And, with T, you're increasing your risk of heart disease. Taking T increases the risk, and smoking does as well. That said, I smoke except when I'm quitting for surgery.

Dennis
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Jay

Quote from: Dennis on April 02, 2008, 08:18:34 AM
The other thing with smoking before surgery is that gungy lungs make anaesthetics more of a risk. I always quit before surgery. I should stay quit afterwards to not hamper healing. It decreases the circulation of blood to the parts that are healing too, so healing is slower.

And, with T, you're increasing your risk of heart disease. Taking T increases the risk, and smoking does as well. That said, I smoke except when I'm quitting for surgery.

Dennis

Dennis.. how long did you stop before surgery? Im not having any surgerys as of yet but would just like to know for my curosity.
There is a heighten risk of most things when you smoke..  but does it affect the T with in your body making the changes? Or just high risk of heart disease like Dennis said.

Sorry its wednesday afternoon im half asleep at work.. hence why nothing makes sense..


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Dennis

I stopped a month before surgery. Going to stop a month before my hysto as well.

Hard to tell whether it affects changes from T because I've always smoked on T, so don't know how I would have changed if I didn't smoke.

Dennis
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Jay

Fair enough then.

Thanks Dennis!  ;D


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trannyboy

Ok, you must quit before a phallo, period no ifs, and or buts. The jury is out on top and meta unless you are getting nipple grafts and meta if grafts are used. Now the logic, phalloplasty requires multiple grafts that must heal properly if you want to have more then a stub where your penis died, multiple skin grafts and possible loss of donor site (your arm). Smoking slows that growth of new cells and increases DVTs. The new penis has a limited amount of time to recover and smoking increases that time well past the survival point of the new tissue. I have never heard of a sucessful case where the patient didn't quit. You are also immobile for a very long time and that my dear is how people generally get DVTs. No reputable surgeon will preform flap microsurgery on a patient that still has nicotine in their system because that would promise a poor result for something they are putting upwards of 12 hours of surgery into. Jay you have the right to smoke all you want but the surgeon also has the right to say you are a poor candidate for surgery and refuse you and if they didn't that would be unethical. Frankly it is disturbing that you are considering this surgery without a basic idea of what can and can't be done and that you are demanding your own way of treatment. You can not have your cake and eat it too. I didn't quit for my top or hysto and frankly it took me forever to heal properly. I am in discussion with surgeons about bottom surgery and everything single one has made it quite clear if I have nicotine in my system (they will test me) prior to the surgery then it will be canceled. As soon as I have a date I am quiting however hard it is going to be, it is harder by far to live without a penis and if you can't say the same then their are bigger issues then smoking. If you have doubts type "microsurgery", "smoking" and "healing" into google and you can read probably 100s if not 1000s of articles saying exactly what I have said.

Oh yes in terms of T, DVTs and smoking. I can't really say whether there is a need. I had 2 DVT before T both caused by trauma. I have had 5 or 6 DVTs since T though because I forgot to aspirate and injected into a vein. For reference T in vein= DVT so always make sure there is no blood in the syringe when you pull out. I have no way of knowing whether smoking helped cause those DVTs but I have smoked for all but 1 of my DVTs. I am high risk for DVT so even though I will quit I still have to be on blood thinners and these legging that keep the blood flowing in my legs. Try to remember that T thickens your blood increasing your risk of DVTs and smoking also can have this effect. Hard to say what the risks are but smoking has a whole lot of other risks too.
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RebeccaFog

Hi Jay,

   Smoking can kill you.   If you don't stop smoking, I will kill you.



Love,


Reebs
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fluffy jorgen

What about Passive smoking?
Where the House always reeks of cigarettes and someone's always smoking.
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trannyboy

Jorgen still bad. They need to go outside to smoke or you need to find a place to recover. You have nicotine in your system if you are around second hand smoke.

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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Jörgen on April 02, 2008, 01:23:09 PM
What about Passive smoking?
Where the House always reeks of cigarettes and someone's always smoking.
In that case, I may be required to kill everyone present.      :P
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J.T.

you want the best results, right?  you gotta quit.  they don't just say you have to quit 'cause they feel like it.  there is a legit reason.  you don't have to quit forever dude.  in the end it'll be worth it.
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fluffy jorgen

Quote from: Rebis on April 02, 2008, 02:23:04 PM
Quote from: Jörgen on April 02, 2008, 01:23:09 PM
What about Passive smoking?
Where the House always reeks of cigarettes and someone's always smoking.
In that case, I may be required to kill everyone present.      :P

Oh dear.
You've got to do what you've got to do though.  >:D
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RebeccaFog


I'm glad you agree.


It's not easy being an angel of death.    >:D
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Purple Pimp

I know how tough it is.  I'm twenty-two now, and I've smoked since I was 16 or so.  I've got SRS scheduled n May, and it's been no fun, but I've been smoke-free for about two/three weeks now!  I would really recommend reading the Allen Carr stuff, it's a pretty good way to stop.  The problem with smoking is that it increases the carbon monoxide to oxygen ratio in the blood, so your "wound" is not getting the oxygen-rich blood it needs to heal itself.  Maybe thinking about it that way will help you in quitting?  I know it did for me; must get rid of that "bad blood!"

Lia
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you would do. -- Epictetus
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trannyboy

Good for you Genovais, it isn't easy and you have so much to be proud of. Great news about your surgery.

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Jay

QuoteFrankly it is disturbing that you are considering this surgery without a basic idea of what can and can't be done and that you are demanding your own way of treatment.

I am not demanding my own way of treatment I think you have got what I was trying to say wrong. I wanted to know WHY I had to stop thats all. Im not even that far yet as to have any type of surgery. However you have explained the risks to me, that was all I wanted to know thank you.


Quote from: Rebis on April 02, 2008, 12:58:32 PM

Hi Jay,

   Smoking can kill you.   If you don't stop smoking, I will kill you.



Love,


Reebs

Reebs you so funny! *scared face*  :o


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Dennis

Quote from: Jay on April 03, 2008, 02:52:03 AM
QuoteFrankly it is disturbing that you are considering this surgery without a basic idea of what can and can't be done and that you are demanding your own way of treatment.

I am not demanding my own way of treatment I think you have got what I was trying to say wrong. I wanted to know WHY I had to stop thats all. Im not even that far yet as to have any type of surgery. However you have explained the risks to me, that was all I wanted to know thank you.


Good point, Jay. I missed that in the block of text. The last thing we want to do is discourage people from asking good questions like you did by jumping all over them. Thank you for responding maturely to that.

Dennis
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trannyboy

Ok Jay, my mistake. I am sorry for jumping on you I should have clarified before responding. I am a little on edge right now and forgot my manners. I am glad you were able to correct my mistake. Hope you don't hold it against me.  :embarrassed: Questions aren't wrong and if I misread anyone post or make the wrong assumption just tell me folks. I am not the smartest one in the bunch and I occasionally totally miss the boat but I am not trying to be mean.

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RebeccaFog

I thought I wasn't the smartest one in the bunch.

You better not be trying to take my place as village idiot.    >:(






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