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Started by MichelleStar, October 31, 2018, 11:11:44 AM

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MichelleStar

I came out last night to my wife and my daughter. It ... wasn't as horrible as I thought? But still, not great, to put it mildly. But at least it's done and out there, to them. And I wanted to tell them before I met with a gender therapist, or with anyone, for that matter.

I told my wife first. She was surprised yet not surprised, if that makes sense. Not surprised, in the sense that she knew *something* was going on with me. I've had bouts with depression for the past couple of years, and the struggle comes and goes. I've seen a psychologist on and off about it, taken various medication, with okay-if-not-great results. So she knew, I think, that our talk was related to that. She wasn't expecting that I was going to tell her that I think a lot of that depression, and the "I'm never comfortable in my own skin" self-loathing feelings I have comes from gender dysphoria – and that I believe I really identify as female, not male.

"For how long?"

Told her probably for a long time, I just never identified it in those terms. But over the past two years I'd thought about it, and the past few months was when I thought it was more than just a possibility.

And then ... a lot. I tried writing it out as a more detailed summary, but it's too much. I told her that I still love her, very much, and our daughter. And that I didn't want to rock the boat, upset our marriage, but .... If things keep going for me the same way, without addressing this, I'm never going to be happy on a personal level. In my relationships, yes. Me, not so much.

She asked a lot of questions. What I'd decided to do. I said besides thinking, talking with her was the first actual thing I'd done. And I didn't want to do anything else until that was done. She asked if I'd thought about counseling. I mentioned that I wanted to see a gender counselor (and explained what that was). She asked if I'd go see my regular psychologist again, or go on medication. I said I was amenable to seeing a regular psychologist, but with the medication, that was something I didn't particularly want to do without serious consideration. Medication in my experience is like a band-aid, it just masks problems and pushes them down.

I asked if she would go to therapy with me and that was when it got bad. She doesn't want to. These are my issues, she didn't ask for this, why am I dragging her into it. All I could offer was because I want to figure this out and do what's best for us, not just me. It didn't go over well. At that point we stopped. She said she needed time to process all of this, which I said I understood totally) and she wanted to talk about it again maybe this weekend. I said sure. I asked if I could talk – very big picture – to our daughter about this. She was hesitant but said yes, mostly after I laid out what I would say to her.

So I talked later with my daughter, who's seven. I didn't quite know how to approach it, but I did my best. Basically, we talked about boys and girls, and then how sometimes girls pretend to be boys, or boys pretend to be girls. And then I told her that sometimes there's boys who don't feel right being boys, and want to be girls – and girls who don't feel right being girls, and want to be boys. That's when I ended with "and I'm think I'm one of those boys".

"Oh. Why?"

Told her I didn't know, and I wish I did. But I would be talking to doctors about that.

"So ... wait, you can really become a girl, if you wanted?"

Told her yes, I could. No, I didn't know if I actually would. I needed to talk with lots more people about this first. (And this was something important that I didn't want her talking about with her friends yet.)

"Oh. Okay. Have you talked to Mommy about this?"

Yes.

"So, if you're a girl, does that mean you'd be my mom? Because I already have Mommy."

No, I'd still be Daddy. Just different.

At this point she immediately changed the subject and started telling me about the game she was playing that day with her friends at recess, so I dropped the discussion. That's her cue for her being uncomfortable and not wanting to talk about something, and I didn't want to push anything.

I think I surprised my wife in that after all this I went down to the basement den and cried for a while. I don't usually cry about anything. (I'm unfortunately very good at repressing feelings.) It was good to let everything out, it was just crushing that it didn't go well, even though it was what I expected. I went for a walk later, after my daughter went to bed. Apparently I went out for about three hours. Don't know where I went – my brain was just in a dull fog the whole time.

And now, the appointment with a gender therapist in two weeks. Hopefully my wife and I will talk about this again (hopefully this weekend) before that appointment.

I feel like there's been a big weight lifted from my shoulders ... and a different big weight handed to me instead.
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KathyLauren

Congratulations, Michelle!  Coming out to one's spouse is always hard, but it has to be done, and you did it.  I like the way you explained it to your daughter.

I hope that your wife will be able to process this in time, and that things work out well for you.  Good luck!
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Arianna Valentine

I think after giving time and realizing that they are not going to lose you that you do love them very much I think things would be okay I have a little concerned about your daughter yes she did ask you questions and that's always good but they're also seem to be some deflection towards the end of the conversation there so I would definitely be careful and watch out for that just make sure that everything's okay and by all means I'm not a therapist or anything just telling you what I think and what I see but congratulations I'm coming out and no changed my world coming out Born to Be and that's it but again just keep an eye on your daughter

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Sarah77

important step and well done.

My advice...if it is worth anything..is GO SLOWLY with your wife and family.
She was probably in shock at first..the questions will soon follow and possibly some anger.

I thought it had gone well after talking about it with my wife..but it actually got harder before it got better.
My mistake 8/9 years ago was trying to race ahead..I then had to retreat massively for years and slowly bring acceptance.
It all depends on how both your family and you feel about it all..but it is a challenge for everyone involved.

Best of luck!
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MichelleStar

Thank you all for your support. I'm trying to do this right, or at least as best I can.

I know the conversations are far, far from over. In particular, I know there's more than need to be had with my daughter. But I want to have those conversations with her at her pace. She's a smart, curious kid. When she's ready to ask questions, I'm sure she will. But she's going to need time to process this, just like her mom, and just like me.

I want to move along in this process far faster than I am (and I'm probably still going too fast). But I know I can't do this for now unless my wife and daughter are with me. My pushing them into anything is not helpful or productive.
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Alice (nym)

I am in a very similar situation. Except I told my wife before we married (I've always known but been to scared to say anything about it). She still didn't take it well when I told her things were getting worse for me on that front. I've got a 7 year old daughter too but my wife has forbidden me telling her and for now, I think that's probably for the best but eventually I am going to have to have the same conversation, so it would be really helpful if you could keep us (or me if you would be willing to pm me) informed on how it goes with your daughter.

My wife is currently trying to ignore it, she still asks me how the trans meets go but that is about it. I think today she was watching me tell her about last night's meet, I wouldn't meet her eye when I was talking to her because I wanted to allow her to study me as I was talking. Today felt like she was trying to understand and I wanted to allow her that freedom. But overall she thinks I am being selfish and she changed her surname on her email and social media accounts back to her maiden name... which really hurt me at the time because she never mentioned it to me.

But it takes a lot of courage to open up to people about this... so well done on being brave.


love and hugs
Alice
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maybesoph

Hi Michelle

I'm going through a very similar situation as yourself and Alice.
My wife was the one who told me to get councelling and she'd help support my desicions, she also had an identical reaction to shared therapy & dragging her into my world.
Please be prepared for a bereavement period as she will mourn the loss of a husband, my wife 6 months on still is in some ways and it's created a lot of anger and resentment from her.
We still love each other and have agreed to work through things as a parenting partnership, and she's slowly bellowing but finds it hard to discuss.

My advice echoes a lot of others, take it slowly and give her time and space to come to terms with it.
They'll be sadness, anger, lots of tears, even bitterness but I've come to realise they're grieving & trying to process it all.
Reverse the situation and think how you'd have felt, this has helped me immensely reversing the idea if it had of been her to help in how I approach things.

Congrats on doing the hardest thing in actually admitting to a close loved one about your true self, that takes courage.
Courage that you can build on moving forwards.

I don't know if your close to your parents or have a good close friend but honestly without my best friend being there for me this journey would be a lot harder.
The more support you can both get the better.

I'm 44 and had known for a long time but was still kinda unsure, but 2 months into HRT & I know who I am.
My mind is clear it's calm & I've already halved my anti depressants I was taking.
I feel like I'm waking up as will you, hard to describe it's emotionally so hard but makes you stronger as you go on & for the first time in years I feel like I can have a happy future being me, it's truly amazing.

Wish you so much love and hope moving forwards.

Soph.



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MichelleStar

I'm sorry to hear how your own experience has been so far, Alice. I hope things get better over time for you.

And thank you, Soph. One of the things my wife said towards the end of our first big talk was "I didn't ask for any of this!" - and I told her she was absolutely right, and I was sorry for that. I think that's a lot of the confusion, and the hurt. It's such a big change, one that she doesn't at all see as positive. But when I say things like "No, I don't want a divorce, I'm telling you this because I want us to stay married and be together" ... that doesn't compute on her end. Hopefully it will, someday.

I would not have said a word to my daughter about coming out if my wife hadn't agreed to it. My pool not to my wife is our daughter is a pretty sharp kid, and she's going to notice the tension between us and that something's up anyway. I didn't want to lie to her or dance around what's going on. Apparently she and her mom talked about it a bit yesterday after she came home from school (I don't know what exactly they talked about and that's not my business.) I also got a few questions from her this morning, which were encouraging.

"So, if you become a girl, does that mean I'll be like my friend L?"

(L is the biological son of a lesbian couple we know, and one of my daughters classmates.)

So I told her well, I'd still be her dad. But yes, kind of like that.

"Okay. I guess that's fine."

I don't expect that to be her final thoughts on the matter at all, but it was a nice thing to hear this morning.
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Alice (nym)

Thank you Michelle... don't worry about me, I just like to whine about my problems.

It sounds a lot more positive concerning your daughter's questions. It was nice to hear her making those connections and being fine about it.

love
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