I once asked my therapist about my dysphoria symptoms, because honestly I didn't know.  I didn't even know what dysphoria was until I began facing the truth about my gender.  I've battled depression, anger issues, and a dislike for my body, but never knew that was dysphoria screaming at me.  My therapist said that the real test is taking HRT.  She said that once a trans person undergoes HRT they feel better in areas they never knew were hurting.  This has me excited about taking hormones.  It also has me wondering about something else:

Hypothetically speaking, what would a cisgender man experience if he were to undergo MTF HRT? Just curious.

That's a real good question.  I've heard that idea before and wondered the same thing.

Hugs, Jessica

I imagine he would be displeased with the Emotional changes and boobs!

Lacy

Hugs,
Lacy

What I've heard is that they feel tired and uncomfortable.

I imagine it's the same sensations, just different interpretations of what they mean


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Quote from: Danielle Kristina on November 14, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
I once asked my therapist about my dysphoria symptoms, because honestly I didn't know.  I didn't even know what dysphoria was until I began facing the truth about my gender.  I've battled depression, anger issues, and a dislike for my body, but never knew that was dysphoria screaming at me.  My therapist said that the real test is taking HRT.  She said that once a trans person undergoes HRT they feel better in areas they never knew were hurting.  This has me excited about taking hormones.  It also has me wondering about something else:

Hypothetically speaking, what would a cisgender man experience if he were to undergo MTF HRT? Just curious.

  Hi Danielle Kristina,

Middle aged men - (post andropause ) seem to report a lift in mood, libido, motivation, cognitive function, focus & drive if they take supplemental testosterone.

I tried this under medical supervision when the black dog was visiting me at age 46. I didn't know it was Gender Dysphoria at the time. Funnily my desire to be a woman was impossible to shake as I had done before - the penny still didn't drop though ! The testosterone sent my "issue" into overdrive( in the worst way ).

Ironically starting MTF HRT reduced the all consuming desire to be a woman & I gained focus, drive, motivation, improved mood & better social interaction. Peace, serenity & happiness reigned. Operating with a female hormone profile seems to work for us XY women.

          I would love to hear your HRT experience when it unfolds,
            kindest regards, Kirsten.

I was placed on testosterone for a few years starting at age 16.  I became irritable, depressed, prone to anger, and lost my ability to handle complex mathematics in my head.  I was unable to focus on complex tasks.

I was placed on an antiandrogen, spironolactone, at age 62.  After several weeks I began to experience periods of great calm, in which I could readily focus on complex tasks.  Some of my old mathematics skill came back.  With estradiol, I felt more energetic, more connected to myself, and that calm state became my new normal.  I also gained easier access to emotional states.

Quote from: Michelle_P on November 15, 2018, 12:19:05 AM
I was placed on testosterone for a few years starting at age 16.  I became irritable, depressed, prone to anger, and lost my ability to handle complex mathematics in my head.  I was unable to focus on complex tasks.

I was placed on an antiandrogen, spironolactone, at age 62.  After several weeks I began to experience periods of great calm, in which I could readily focus on complex tasks.  Some of my old mathematics skill came back.  With estradiol, I felt more energetic, more connected to myself, and that calm state became my new normal.  I also gained easier access to emotional states.

I can't wait to begin HRT.  My therapist says that though I may not notice the physical differences right away, I should notice internal changes fairly early.  She says I'll feel a whole lot better.  And reading the positive changes you and many others who've been on HRT have shared makes me want to do it all the more!!!

Hugs!!


Danielle

Quote from: Danielle Kristina on November 14, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
 
Hypothetically speaking, what would a cisgender man experience if he were to undergo MTF HRT? Just curious.

Quote from: Danielle Kristina on November 15, 2018, 12:55:04 AM
I can't wait to begin HRT.  My therapist says that though I may not notice the physical differences right away, I should notice internal changes fairly early.  She says I'll feel a whole lot better.  And reading the positive changes you and many others who've been on HRT have shared makes me want to do it all the more!!!

Hugs!!


Danielle

Hello again Danielle

I believe a cisman on MTF HRT would become depressed and uncomfortable and feel almost "alien". Hopefully he would come off it asap.

I hope you are soon able to start HRT and I wish you every success and happiness therein. I have greatly benefitted just like Kirsten. I agree sense of peace is usually first sign and the early physical sign is softer and smoother skin.

Hugs

Pamela

No need to wander around Hypotheticalland, cisgender men go on hormones every day.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostate-cancer/treating/hormone-therapy.html

Somewhat touching on this, what if a cis-male has his penis removed?

http://www.cracked.com/article_22462_6-things-i-learned-having-my-penis-surgically-removed.html

Apparently it's quite devastating.

I couldn't help but think if you going to do that you may as well go the entrie way and get a vagina, because surely that's better than nothing? Perhaps I'm not understanding something...

You're going to take another topic way off topic, but some people want to switch genitals. Some people want both genitals. Some people want no genitals. It's really that simple.

I can delete it if it's not appropriate, but point was that it's not just hormones. It goes beyond that, and it's an interesting example that you don't often come across.

I've tried to find personal stories of cis men on estrogen therapy in the past and never found one. Just the usual list of side effects.

At the risk of going off topic again, there was a great post recently from a cis women who too testesterone. It's fascinating.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,230174.0.html

Quote from: Devlyn on November 15, 2018, 07:20:05 AM
No need to wander around Hypotheticalland, cisgender men go on hormones every day.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostate-cancer/treating/hormone-therapy.html

Hi Devlyn,
I would think that the hormones they undergo are not to the extent that transgender women undergo, as it would likely induce dysphoria if they did.  While it brings us relief as we are trans, it would do the opposite for cismen.  So wouldn't the hormones that cismen with prostate cancer be of lesser doses or less powerful?  Just curious.

Danielle.

Did you look at the link? The side effects are breasts and low energy.

Quote from: Devlyn on November 15, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Did you look at the link? The side effects are breasts and low energy.

I would still think that even though cismen experience breasts and low energy that they would not be given the same dosage as a person undergoing transition, though I could be wrong.

A cis male wouldn't be on hrt? Typically speaking I mean. If he had to for whatever reason, I'm sure the side effects would be covered the same way it is for transgender people. I'd imagine secondary female characteristics would be a warning and the person may be offered alternative options... If there are any

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Quote from: Angela H on November 14, 2018, 09:00:06 PM
What I've heard is that they feel tired and uncomfortable.

This was my understanding as well.  That a cis man on feminine HRT would feel tired and fatigued.  And a trans woman on feminine HRT would feel more energy and think more clearly.  As a trans woman, that was my experience.  And from reading the responses here, other trans women here share that experience.

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Quote from: Danielle Kristina on November 15, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Hi Devlyn,
I would think that the hormones they undergo are not to the extent that transgender women undergo, as it would likely induce dysphoria if they did.  While it brings us relief as we are trans, it would do the opposite for cismen.  So wouldn't the hormones that cismen with prostate cancer be of lesser doses or less powerful?  Just curious.

Danielle.

It's my understanding that HRT against cancer is actually a much higher dose than transgender women take.. the 'side effect' is considered minor against...   well.. not dying.

Cancer is terrible.

Quote from: Allison S on November 15, 2018, 05:12:35 PM
A cis male wouldn't be on hrt? Typically speaking I mean. If he had to for whatever reason, I'm sure the side effects would be covered the same way it is for transgender people.

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Yes Allison. Indeed as there have been until recently many more Cismen taking HRT for cancer prevention than Transwomen taking HRT, I would think the side effects would in fact be better covered.

Hugs

Pamela 

Quote from: Anastasia E on November 16, 2018, 02:35:12 AM
It's my understanding that HRT against cancer is actually a much higher dose than transgender women take.. the 'side effect' is considered minor against...   well.. not dying.

Cancer is terrible.

Hello Anastasia

That is interesting, thank you.

Whereas we as transwomen are customarily but not always on Estradiol and T Blocker, I assume customarily but not always the HRT cismen would be prescribed would be T Blocker?

Hugs

Pamela