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I am female, so why is my body male?

Started by BlueStar, November 19, 2018, 07:09:59 PM

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BlueStar

I am transgender.  Like almost everybody else, I have a strong and enduring gender identity.  Unlike almost everyone else, my gender identity is opposite my physical sex.  I doubt that other transpersons will find anything unusual in my story.  Anyone else, though, might find it unbelievable and if so, I can hardly blame them -- gender dysphoria is a mystery to me, too.

This goes back as far as I can remember -- in my case, before kindergarten.  And now, sixty years later, nothing has changed.  Now, like then, people expect me to express myself as a male.  But I've never had any interest in playing that part; I don't have it in me.  What I do have within is a female self and she needs to be expressed. 

My worst experiences with gender dysphoria were back when I was entering puberty.  The thought of having an adult male body made me sick to my stomach.  (I wanted to go through puberty, just not that one.)  As far as I knew, I was the only person ever to feel the way I felt.  In those days, there was only one choice: to be carried along by life, deeper and deeper into manhood, making sure all the while that my true self... my female self, never showed.  Confiding in anyone, or asking for help, was inconceivable.   

A few years later, I ran across the concept of transvestitism.  Not surprisingly, considering the times, it was portrayed as a bizarre mental disorder - shameful and disgusting.  Whatever.  But what could I conclude other than that I, too, was disgusting?  In any case, the distinction was lost on me at the time, but my issue was different: gender identity.  What I wanted... what I still want... was to live my life through a female body.  That, and to have the same freedom to express myself as anyone else of female gender, including through clothing (which sounds natural to me, not disgusting.)   

As an adult I worked in male-dominated fields, everyone around me exhibiting, and championing, male behavior, and expecting me to as well.  For a long time, I put a great deal of energy, enthusiasm and hard work into my career.  But as the years passed, I grew tired of trying to flourish in that culture.  Gender dysphoria certainly did not ruin my career.  But the dysphoria did keep it from being as successful and enjoyable as it could have been.  No surprise there.

How strange it is for one's gender and sex to be different at all, let alone completely different.  I know that most people would say that for me to assert myself as female is to ignore reality.  But from my perspective, expecting me to play the part of a male, and to come alive and to feel fulfillment by doing so, is to ignore reality.  And to almost anyone else, this sounds entirely psychological in nature.  I see it, though, as a physical problem: I am female, so why is my body male? 

Sometimes I feel stupid for this mattering to me so much.  But it does matter.  It's about being able to be genuine, and being able to convey something of my soul into the world.  It's about feeling like a part of the world, on the one hand, or feeling like some kind of alien, painfully out of place, on the other.   

My gender dysphoria has been remarkably consistent over the course of my life, being among both my earliest memories and my most recent thoughts.  Being retired now, I no longer feel compelled to hide my female self; instead, I want to openly embrace and explore her.  I want to enjoy being her.  And  ideally, I'd like to experience what it's like for my physical sex and my gender to be the same, like it is for almost everyone else.   

My wife, known in these forums as @Moonflower , has known about this for many years- almost the entire time that we've known each other.  Her full support has never been in doubt.  She is the strongest and freest of spirits.  She is my Shadowfax, my Demian.  Bob Dylan could have been thinking of her when he wrote: 
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"In another lifetime she must have owned the world, 
or been faithfully wed to some righteous king who wrote psalms beside moonlit streams."
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KathyLauren

Hi, BlueStar!

Welcome to Susan's Place.

Thank you for joining us. and telling us your story.  Your wife, @Moonflower, in the short time she has been a member, has already become loved and respected by many of us.  You are very lucky to have her!

I see that you have already posted in the Introductions forum.  :)

Here is some information that we like to share with new members:

Things that you should read





2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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gracefulhat

@BlueStar, welcome to the family! Yes, your story to the rest of the world is very unusual, but within this family it is very normal, which in my oppinion is an extremely comforting thing. Your wife is Moonflower? I was just reading her recent posts about the lastest trans short film, thanking her for posting the thread. It is a beautiful movie. Again, welcome!
Above all, love
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V M

Hi BlueStar  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's Place  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

Hugs

V M
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Chloe

Quote from: BlueStar on November 19, 2018, 07:09:59 PMBeing retired now, I no longer feel compelled to hide my female self; 

        Welcome BlueStar! I too am RETIRED and have been in some degree of active transition for the last 40 years! While divorced 8 for reasons other than obvious "SO" and I are once again together sharing *grandkids* wishing you and Moonflower the best!

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"But it's no use now," thought poor Alice, "to pretend be two people!
"Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make one respectable person!"
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HappyMoni

Hi BlueStar,
   I am so happy to see you introduce yourself. A warm welcome coming your way. Your story rings familiar, even the part where you feel silly for this to matter so much. I feel that sometimes. It is so important to who we are though. I hope the realization of you living as your genuine self will come quickly for you. Oh, and I hope you will let us here be a part of it. ;D
   Say hi to Moonflower for me!
Moni



















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"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Lacy

Welcome Bluestar! It's exciting to have you join. Moonflower has been very encouraging to both those of us in transition as well as the SO.

I hope you are able to find the support you need!
Lacy
She believed she could so she did!

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pamelatransuk

Hello BlueStar and welcome to Susans.

I understand and appreciate all you say.

Again I learned of transvestitism before the term transsexual or transgender, my career was to some degree affected by my being transgender and I am now retired.

I wish you well on your journey.

Hugs

Pamela


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LizK

Hi Bluestar

welcome to Susans's glad you found us and made your first post...always the hardest one!!

Sounds to me like you have made some of the toughest connections already. Being able to accept themselves as female/male is something many take a long to accept. I refused for many years myself.

I have had the pleasure of meeting your lovely partner Moonflower already and can see from her own postings how supportive of you she is.

Take care

Liz


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Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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BlueStar

@KathyLauren @gracefulhat @V M @Kiera @HappyMoni @RealLacy @pamelatransuk @LizK

Thank you all for your kind and supportive comments, and for giving me a wonderful feeling of acceptance and respect- that same feeling that I had when my trans counselor asked me the name I'd like him to call me (which is Beth).

Thanks for making a difference in my life and for encouraging me on my journey. I wish I'd had friends like you throughout my life!

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HappyMoni

Beth,
   Yea, I love to be able to talk to people with their real names! As for having friends on here, I have gained so much from having friends on here. As for them, well most of the time they read my posts, scratch their heads with a quizzical look on their face, and at least tolerate me. One day I'll learn to behave. There is definitely friendship to be had here, and good advice, and the occasional tear or two. Again, so glad you are here!
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Jessica_Rose

Beth, welcome to Susan's Place. It is always great to see new members! I think I have responded to a few posts from @Moonflower . I first joined in March of 2017, the day I started HRT. I chose a good user name to start with, and it eventually became my legal name (first and middle). My wife also recently joined. To make it easy to connect the dots, she goes by @Susan_Rose . Many of us started threads we use as journals, it makes it easy for our friends at Susan's Place to keep up with our progress. Mine is here: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,233104.msg2076844.html#msg2076844

You will find a lot of good information on these forums, some laughter, and some tears, but we are all here to help one another. We all wish you the best in your journey.

Love always -- Jessica Rose
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FFS II - Jaw and chin surgery w/Dr. Ley
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Stevi

Beth,

Good to have you and your Moonflower aboard this vessel with us.  I am one of those that has started a thread to recount Stevi's Saga.  I am, also, one of those blessed with a wife who managed to make the transition with me.  We are here for you to help with the bad times and celebrate with you when it is good.

Here's to the good!
Stevi
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kathb31

Hi Beth,
I  very much could relate to your life story. Thank you for sharing it. I too struggled trying understand why I'm female but have the wrong body. When I was 13 or 14 I became obsessed with the why, spending months searching family records and photos trying to find something. Finally realizing that the why had no meaning and I am who I am as difficult as that can be.
I'm glad, like me, you are able to reveal your true self in life even if it took a long time.

All the best
Kath
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BlueStar

@RealLacy @V M @Alaskan Danielle @Dietlind @Emma1017 @HappyMoni @Jessica_Rose @Stevi @kathb31

Thanks for all of your encouragement and advice. I appreciate all of it!

I'm realizing that coming out as transgender, and beginning the transition, are full of surprising and wonderful side-effects! For me, the best of these are: emerging from the shell that I'd built-up over the course of my adult life... interacting with and trusting people again... having good friends again... regaining the sense that I can communicate with others... and especially, feeling free, once more, to grow as a human being.

The thing is, over the course of my adult life, I'd become so withdrawn. When people would strike up a conversation with me, I could not respond with stereotypically male behavior. They would often look a bit confused. I would imagine that their concept of who I was, and my concept of who I was, were light years apart. And maybe they sensed that I was hiding something. But without feeling free to say anything about the real me - which was off the table - there seemed no way out.

It's occurring to me that I could never have enjoyed retirement, or accomplished any of those things that I'd always dreamed of doing at this time, without, first and foremost, telling my story to the people around me, and beginning the transition.

I look forward to learning more about your stories,
Beth
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pamelatransuk

Hello again

I agree your latest post to a tee. It describes me perfectly.

I was so withdrawn and too much into privacy bordering on seclusion. I strongly suspect others thought I had something to hide or that there was something wrong or both.

Now I feel liberated, wishing to transition in 2019 and simultaneously and subsequently to enjoy my retirement.

Hugs

Pamela


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HappyMoni

Beth,
   I relate to your self imposed isolation. I always avoided get togethers with other hetero couples because I knew I would be paired up with the guy for conversation at some point. I could fake my way through it, but it wasn't comfortable. I would not be surprised if you get much more social. I will now arrange get togethers. My partner is floored by this. Once you are comfortable in your own skin being social is easier.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Dorit

Beth dear, yours is a beautiful post.   We have so much in common.  I sought help for my gender dysphoria fifty years ago, there were just no answers then.   it just added another line on my mental illness file.   But as previously mentioned Bob Dylan said "the times they are a'changing!"    We are now able to benefit from the new medical and psychological understanding of what it means to be transgender.   So ten years ago I began what you are doing, the journey of self acceptance.   Over a year ago at 70 years old I began my transition of putting my body into alignment with my soul and living my life as the woman I always was inside.    While there have been some painful sufferings of rejection, like you I have a totally supporting and encouraging wife.    It makes a difference to transition with your "back" covered by love.   
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Faith

HiYa Beth,

I thought I should go ahead and reply here. As you know, I've been corresponding with your wife via PM. I'm sure she's been sharing, yes?  >:( ...  ;D

I mentioned in my first PM to Moonflower that I sent this post-link to my wife to make sure she didn't miss it. It's a very well-written with a basic summary that is not only personal but applicable to many. It should be stickied as required reading.

Take care
Faith
I left the door open, only a few came through. such is my life.
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HughE

Quote from: BlueStar on November 19, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
How strange it is for one's gender and sex to be different at all, let alone completely different.  I know that most people would say that for me to assert myself as female is to ignore reality.  But from my perspective, expecting me to play the part of a male, and to come alive and to feel fulfillment by doing so, is to ignore reality.  And to almost anyone else, this sounds entirely psychological in nature.  I see it, though, as a physical problem: I am female, so why is my body male? 

It goes back to before you were even born.

There's a popular misconception that the sex you develop as is determined by X and Y chromosomes. In fact, all being XX or XY does is determine whether you develop ovaries or testicles, everything from that point forward is driven by hormones. More specifically, in the presence of testicular hormones, a foetus develops as male. In the absence of those hormones, it develops as female instead (ovarian hormones aren't actually necessary for female development to occur, female development is what always happens if there are no testicular hormones present). This is easily demonstrated by a condition called Swyer's syndrome, in which the testicles of a genetically male (XY) foetus fail to develop. People with the condition look female at birth, and they grow up to look and behave just like ordinary women. Often, the condition isn't even spotted until, as teenagers, they fail to start menstruating.

The genitals undergo their development from week 7 to week 12 after conception, so by the end of week 12, you already have male or female genitals, something which can no longer change (unless you have GRS later in life of course!). The brain is different though. The early stages of brain development involve very rapid cell division (to produce the enormous numbers of cells that will ultimately make up the brain), and the migration of those cells to where their final place in the brain will be (which is often far distant from where they formed). Those early steps don't appear to have any major sex differences, so hormones during that part of brain development don't make any difference to the eventual sex of the brain.

By about week 16, the very first cells have reached their final position in the brain. Once in position, they start to grow the nerve axons that will permanently connect them to the other brain cells they're supposed to be interacting with. More and more cells reach their final position and begin to grow their permanent connections to other cells, and by week 21, the cell migration stage of brain development is over, and the main task (ongoing for the remainder of prenatal development) is the growth of nerve axons and dendrites (the "wires" that connect up brain cells), and synaptogenesis, or creating the junctions between those wires. During that time, a process of programmed cell death takes place as well, in which brain cells surplus to requirements are removed. This also appears to be the time when hormones have the biggest impact in determining the sex of your brain, so I'm guessing that there's a male way and a female way of connecting up brain tissue, which are subtly different at the microscopic level. It may be that different cells are removed during the programmed cell death stage if high levels of testosterone are present (testosterone is the main testicular hormone that drives male development), than if there's little or no testosterone there.

So, what appears to make people MTF transgender is that their testicles developed as normal and, to begin with, were producing enough testosterone for male genital development to occur. However, things then went south, and their testosterone production slowed or stopped altogether, so that during the crucial week 16 to birth period for determining whether the brain gets wired up along male or female lines, there wasn't enough testosterone present for the brain to be wired up as male. Instead, it got the patterning that happens by default, the female kind.

As to what can cause testosterone production to go wrong, any of the conventional genetic causes of intersex can. However, so can environmental factors, for instance exposure to external estrogens. Unfortunately, doctors didn't realise this, and for several decades during the mid 20th century, they were giving pregnant women high doses of an artificial estrogen called DES, a drug which acts as a chemical castration agent in men. Many of us in the older age bracket either know or suspect we were exposed to that drug. My own view is that the effect probably isn't limited to just estrogens though, and any hormones or other drugs that interfere with testosterone production in adult men will, if they're administered during pregnancy, run the risk of producing MTF transgender babies. This is a hugely controversial thing to say of course, because an awful lot of hormones and other drugs used in medicine do interfere with testosterone production!

Anyway, hopefully that answers your question. You actually are the person you perceive yourself to be, someone whose body developed along male lines, but whose brain developed along female lines instead.
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