Quote from: barbie on December 10, 2018, 10:54:39 PM
Yes. It seems right: https://www.livestrong.com/article/206993-exercise-for-detox/

While running outdoors, I sometimes can smell the odor of the alcohol beverage from my body sweat, especially in summer, after drinking it at the previous night.

Last year, I finished a full course marathon after drinking more than 2 bottles of red wine at the night before, and I was so much thirsty, drinking water every minute while carrying 2 bottles of water, refilling them, probably every 30 minutes. I nearly gave up, but anyway finished it and I am sure I was the last runner reaching the finish line.



barbie~~

Sorry to say, but the article is more pseudo science than real medical science.  as i said, the body cannot be full of toxins.
The body does not detoxify itself, it just removes waste(effluents) that contain, among others, also toxic substances.  exercise helps doing this, by increasing the circulatory system, and thus stimulating the process and the organs involved.

But it cannot do this for individual organs, it either works with every organ, or not at all.
Exercise is good for the entire biological system of our bodies, and it helps to keep us healthy.

You were thirsty when you were running, because alcohol dehydrates due to its hydrophilic nature.  Add to that the loss of water through sweating, and you will get very thirsty!
You actually pt yourself into a rather dangerous situation that could have resulted in very bad dehydration and subsequent critical health problems!

Please be more careful with your health in the future, and don't drink when you run (or drive)!

Firstly, thank you guys for taking the time to answer my post, it's very nice to know I'm not really alone even though you're miles and miles away from me.

Well, I don't drink like every day you know. I'll drink whenever I'm super stressed out, worried, depressed...then I'll drink a couple of beers, sometimes I'll have a red ipa, say, that packs a punch of 10%. But I wouldn't say I depend on alcohol, even though I know it is a problem.

Part of the reason is that I know I need to be in a healthy condition to go through the surgery, I mean, when the time comes I wanna be ready for it and not have to deal with anything else.

Now, it's funny. I keep thinking that lack of sex is my main problem when it really isn't. I managed to get laid this Monday with the guy I'm completely in love with, my neighbor whom I've known for my whole life. He's got a cow, I mean a girlfriend, so there you go. The sex was just out of this world! Mind blowing! I was having a blast...never felt so much pleasure. And you'd think that'd shut me up but not really. I was simply mad today because I couldn't tuck as usual and had to keep fixing it all the time, which among other problems prompted me to drink. Which I'm doing now.

Anyways, soon I'll be writing a post saying I'm departing for Thailand. Very soon. 

Quote from: Dany on December 12, 2018, 08:23:35 PM
I managed to get laid this Monday with the guy I'm completely in love with, my neighbor whom I've known for my whole life. He's got a cow, I mean a girlfriend, so there you go.

I did not know that cow's and humans are engaging in romantic relations like boy and girlfriends? 

All that drinking did for me is get me more depressed, two DUIs, probation, and mandatory AA meetings. I hated that card that I had to get signed. Heck, I got sentenced to one week in jail for the second DUI and had to use a week of vacation time from work. Yea, the worse vacation ever. 

This was almost 20 years ago in my early 20s but still. Not to mention that when I went to bars and clubs it was expensive. Now, I only drink with other people and when a designated driver is available or we agree to use Uber, Lyft, or a taxi, but anyhow.

I wish that I would have known what an antidepressant was back then. Or rather not have been so proud and bullheaded not to ask for help.

Quote from: barbie on December 10, 2018, 05:28:51 PM
Thanks! Lyric and Dietlind.

Yes. Alcohol is a nationwide problem in S. Korea.

https://qz.com/171191/south-koreans-drink-twice-as-much-liquor-as-russians-and-more-than-four-times-as-much-as-americans/

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/world/asia/tired-of-being-abused-by-drunks-south-korean-police-start-to-push-back.html

But it is a part of socialization with a long history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_culture_of_Korea

Despite high consumption, alcoholism is relatively rare here in S. Korea.

Unlike the U.S., here we should get mandatory health check-up every year, and endoscopy every 2 years. The cost is mostly less than US$10.

For example, the results of my health check-up. AST, ALT and gamma-GTP in the bottom indicate the health of my liver. These 3 indicators are within the range of normal or healthy people, but of course do not guarantee it 100%.



It is time to get health check-up for this year by December 31. Yesterday, I tried to make reservation, and heard that endoscopy is not mandatory, but optional. Some people rely on anesthesia during endoscopy, but I do not.

Yes. As getting old, I try to decrease my wine consumption.

barbie~~

Alcoholism is rare? What's your definition of alcoholism?


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Quote from: Gertrude on December 13, 2018, 07:14:53 AM
Alcoholism is rare? What's your definition of alcoholism?

Of course, it is difficult to define. But the most critical criterion is whether you can maintain your social life without any serious problem from consumption of alcohol. The second is your health condition, such as gamma GTP in your liver.

I know a few acquaintances of alcoholism. One drinks alcohol to relieve depression, but refuses to take prescribed medicine for curing depression, calling people by phone whenever depressed. The second one continued to show hand tremor. Both are addicted to soju, a kind of artificial spirit here.

barbie~~

Quote from: barbie on December 13, 2018, 11:07:15 AM
Of course, it is difficult to define. But the most critical criterion is whether you can maintain your social life without any serious problem from consumption of alcohol. The second is your health condition, such as gamma GTP in your liver.

I know a few acquaintances of alcoholism. One drinks alcohol to relieve depression, but refuses to take prescribed medicine for curing depression, calling people by phone whenever depressed. The second one continued to show hand tremor. Both are addicted to soju, a kind of artificial spirit here.

barbie~~

That just means you would be a functional alcoholic. The question is, can you stop drinking alcohol? If you can't, or if you substitute a behavior of one addiction to another, it's still there. The desire for diversion, or self medication if you will never goes away really, not without a lot of work, especially with a behavioral therapist.

Quote from: Gertrude on December 13, 2018, 11:24:15 AM
That just means you would be a functional alcoholic. The question is, can you stop drinking alcohol? If you can't, or if you substitute a behavior of one addiction to another, it's still there. The desire for diversion, or self medication if you will never goes away really, not without a lot of work, especially with a behavioral therapist.

I am a kind of nominalist, not realist, and do not care so much whatever I am called. The point here is that it does not matter as long as you maintain good social life and physical health. In that respect, most Korean males and a substantial number of women can be labeled as a functional alcoholic or other categories. Most of my friends who like to drink together with me exercise regularly through running or biking. As long as they are healthy socially and physically, they are eligible and allowed to drink, IMO.

barbie~~

Quote from: barbie on December 13, 2018, 11:58:12 AM
I am a kind of nominalist, not realist, and do not care so much whatever I am called. The point here is that it does not matter as long as you maintain good social life and physical health. In that respect, most Korean males and a substantial number of women can be labeled as a functional alcoholic or other categories. Most of my friends who like to drink together with me exercise regularly through running or biking. As long as they are healthy socially and physically, they are eligible and allowed to drink, IMO.

barbie~~

Whatever works for you, but it is what it is.

Quote from: Gertrude on December 13, 2018, 07:14:53 AM
Alcoholism is rare? What's your definition of alcoholism?


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I hate that I can answer this. According to the AA Big Book alcoholism as having a physical and psychological need to drink. It is not the exact wording but close enough.

Quote from: Dietlind on December 12, 2018, 09:08:08 PM
I did not know that cow's and humans are engaging in romantic relations like boy and girlfriends? 

I meant to say his girlfriend is a cow. She's got my man.

Quote from: barbie on December 13, 2018, 11:58:12 AM
I am a kind of nominalist, not realist, and do not care so much whatever I am called. The point here is that it does not matter as long as you maintain good social life and physical health. In that respect, most Korean males and a substantial number of women can be labeled as a functional alcoholic or other categories. Most of my friends who like to drink together with me exercise regularly through running or biking. As long as they are healthy socially and physically, they are eligible and allowed to drink, IMO.

barbie~~

I didn't know alcohol was such a problem in Korea...why do you reckon that is a reality there? Work routine is too rough so people take it out on the alcohol?

Quote from: Dany on December 13, 2018, 06:57:37 PM
I didn't know alcohol was such a problem in Korea...why do you reckon that is a reality there? Work routine is too rough so people take it out on the alcohol?

I guess there is a historic factor, too. Drinking alcohol, singing and dancing among Koreans was notable to be recorded in Chinese history books and depicted in the art from 2,000 years ago. When missionaries from the western countries arrived in Korea about 150 years ago, they saw drinking alcohol among men was so widespread in winter when farmers did not need to work, and decided first to prohibit alcohol drinking in the name of Bible. Protestant churches here still prohibit it, and some of Protestants here have social problem in making companions in their work places. They tend to be introversive, which can be a drawback for his/her career. Nowadays young people drink less, but still drinking is an important factor for socializing here.

Anyway "exercise to drink" is my motto. https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/07/health/exercise-alcohol-and-death-risk/index.html

barbie~~

Quote from: Dietlind on December 10, 2018, 11:13:05 PM
Sorry to say, but the article is more pseudo science than real medical science.  as i said, the body cannot be full of toxins.
The body does not detoxify itself, it just removes waste(effluents) that contain, among others, also toxic substances.  exercise helps doing this, by increasing the circulatory system, and thus stimulating the process and the organs involved.

But it cannot do this for individual organs, it either works with every organ, or not at all.
Exercise is good for the entire biological system of our bodies, and it helps to keep us healthy.

You were thirsty when you were running, because alcohol dehydrates due to its hydrophilic nature.  Add to that the loss of water through sweating, and you will get very thirsty!
You actually pt yourself into a rather dangerous situation that could have resulted in very bad dehydration and subsequent critical health problems!

Please be more careful with your health in the future, and don't drink when you run (or drive)!

Hi Dr. Linde                     13 December 2018

Thanks for your enlightened post on this thread Doctor Linde and on the subject matter. Anyone that thinks they can consume large quantities of alcohol with impunity is seriously setting themselves up for a disaster of their own making.

There is nothing positive that can come from Alcohol consumption, illegal drug use and smoking tobacco. I've tried everything but drugs and all I received from those two were paths to destruction. Had I continued with my smoking and drinking I wouldn't be here today. There are some that probably wish I had continued; hope I disappointed them.

If anyone thinks they can escape the ravages wrought by the aforementioned, they are seriously deluding themselves.

Please understand my reference to Dr. Linde as Doctor, it's because she is a Medical Doctor and medical research scientist. She is highly educated and has spent most of her life in medical research. Heed what she is telling you, it could very well save your life and health.

Best Always, Love
Christine

Quote from: christinej78 on December 13, 2018, 11:41:37 PM

Please understand my reference to Dr. Linde as Doctor, it's because she is a Medical Doctor and medical research scientist. She is highly educated and has spent most of her life in medical research. Heed what she is telling you, it could very well save your life and health.

Best Always, Love
Christine

Just  little correction here, I am not an MD but a PhD (I went the research route in the medical field).  And us PhD people do not really like to be called Dr. outside of an academic setting, because we do not have to apply the psychology with anybody that MD's have to in order to establish the patient physician relation.
Yes, I have a medical education, but I never dealt with patients (thank god), and was never registered and licensed as a physician.

Quote from: barbie on December 13, 2018, 11:07:15 AM
Of course, it is difficult to define. But the most critical criterion is whether you can maintain your social life without any serious problem from consumption of alcohol. The second is your health condition, such as gamma GTP in your liver.

I know a few acquaintances of alcoholism. One drinks alcohol to relieve depression, but refuses to take prescribed medicine for curing depression, calling people by phone whenever depressed. The second one continued to show hand tremor. Both are addicted to soju, a kind of artificial spirit here.

barbie~~

My two cents - and please forgive me, as I say this not to stir controversy or boast but rather to offer information - is that one can be a very fully functioning member of society and still be an alcoholic.

And yes, anecdote is not the singular of data, but two examples are my father and I. I'm a data scientist. I have to manage teams of challenging nerds, write code, travel widely, sell, and do abstruse math, all the while communicating it in plain English. And I used to drink. A lot.

Dad was a naval officer, rocket scientist, nuclear engineer, a better mathematician than I'll ever be, and a senior executive at an electrical utility for thirty years. Cripes, I can't believe all of that can possibly be true now that I think about it, but I swear I am not making that up.

He also drank himself to death. You know those crappy gallon jugs of cheap wine? He'd start one Friday evening and finish his second by Monday morning. He could slow down enough to make a third jug last until Friday again.

He also must have been made of iron, because he survived cirrhosis, kidney failure, diabetes, and ulcers, all from drinking. Took esophageal cancer, where the cells in your throat rebel from being soaked in booze for too long, to finally finish him off.

But because he was so functional, I had seen that it was possible to drink a lot and be functional, too. I used to put away a handle or two of bourbon a week. No problem at all. Never missed a day of work, though I did miss a few flights because I was concentrating on getting lit up at airport bars.

And yeah, I was drinking addictively. I didn't want to feel trans. I didn't want to feel bipolar. I didn't want to feel.

But outside the shell, it sure as heck looked like I functioned.

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Functional Alcoholic is a real term....I know I was one...Eventually the monkey on my back nearly killed me and it was at this point I quit drinking.

You do not need to be rolling in the gutter every day to be Alcoholic. The bigger question is what happens when you stop drinking...does your life fall apart? Do you think about how long you need to be sober before you can have your next drink?, do you plan activities around being able to drink....and so on

The biggest problem I faced is that I could not/would not see the Monkey on my back until it was too late.

Alcohol is a toxin and as such your pancreas sees it as such and produces a thick "sludge" as a protection against it...eventually if you continue to drink heavily this sludge backs up in your pancreas which among other things, is where the enzymes for digestion are produced.

The sludge can cause the enzymes to become trapped within the pancreas and start to "auto- digest "...In my case the enzymes escaped through cysts causing calcification over most of the the organ...the enzymes also leaked and damaged some major nerve bundles in the area leaving me with a chronic pain condition that requires I have an implanted medication pump delivering drugs 24/7....

If alcohol was being introduced new into society today I am pretty sure it would be treated like another toxic drug instead of the way it is treated now.

Liz


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Today, exercise and


drink.

I shopped some fashion items in the downtown.

Cheers!

barbie~~

Quote from: Dietlind on December 14, 2018, 09:27:32 AM
Just  little correction here, I am not an MD but a PhD (I went the research route in the medical field).  And us PhD people do not really like to be called Dr. outside of an academic setting, because we do not have to apply the psychology with anybody that MD's have to in order to establish the patient physician relation.
Yes, I have a medical education, but I never dealt with patients (thank god), and was never registered and licensed as a physician.

Hi Linde,                   17 December 2018

Sorry for my foul-up. My main concern is the cavalier attitude some folks have regarding alcohol, illegal drugs and tobacco. There is nothing good or positive that can come from the use of those substances.

I'd really like to know what a "Functional Alcoholic" is; my parents were what I think most folks would consider "Functional." The problem is, most folks didn't have to live with them. If beatings and getting knocked around are just a normal part of growing up, I had one heck of a normal childhood. If they weren't beating on us, the good old catholic school system I was forced to attend for nine years filled in for them.

I've seen the dark side of Alcohol, illegal drugs and tobacco. My parents were prime examples. Maybe you think you are functional when you're drinking, but you are just deluding yourself. Eventually you are going to pay a price for the drinking, which is fine by me, as long as you don't cause an innocent person to pay a price for YOUR alcoholism/drinking.

There's not much point in lecturing alcoholics because they don't want to be confronted by reality, which is one of their excuses for drinking. I wish those that have kicked the habit continued success in remaining sober. To those who continue to abuse alcohol or any other substance, I hope you come to your senses before tragedy strikes.

Wishing everyone a Very Blessed and Healthy Christmas and New Year.

Best Always, Love,
Christine

You are so right Christine!

I used to smoke 3 packs of cigarettes a day, plus some pipes to fill in the free time.  I always said, if you can set it on fire, I'll smoke it!  I tried to stop several times, just tos tart again.  That was bcause others convinced me to stop, it did not come from inside me.
Until one day, when my wife got pregnant, I did not ant to expose her to any smoke.  I decided to stop smoking, an tat was 35 years ago, i never touched any tobacco since!

The will has to be there to be able to quit, if the will is not there, it will not work for the long run!

I have seen several alcoholics dying, just recently the husband of a friend (two weeks ago).  They all, including my brother in law, considered themselves to be functioning alcoholics, and they went to their horrible death with that belief (dying of liver disease is a pretty painfull death)!

Happy holidays back to you and everybody else here!
Linde